2017 CX-5 Soul Red Crystal Metallic

Good about the list and (2thumbs) re no other choice



AHEM! (rofl2)

I have a silver CX-5 and makes it look more expensive, atleast in my eyes and that is all that matters!

I'm sitting here laughing. I have impeccable timing that would make me rich if I could actually use it for good.

If I made an off-color joke about women from the South Samoan islands who were Capricorns, guess who would be standing right behind me.

[rodney dangerfield]"But hey. I like silver. On you it looks good."[/rodney dangerfield]
(Adjusts tie)
 
I don't understand something here. I assume when the car is painted at the factory - and I assume because I've seen countless videos of cars being painted at the factory - that the entire car is painted at once i.e. the exact same gallon (or whatever) of paint is used for the entire vehicle. In light of this, how can Mazda say that only the hood is affected by the bad paint? I mean, the ENTIRE CAR RECEIVED BAD PAINT, RIGHT!?!?! Maybe other panels on the car aren't flaking right now, but they may in the future, right?

I got word just today from Mazda NA that my dealer will be calling me later this week to "fix" the paint. I have no idea if it's a partial or full repaint. I'm going to ask if whoever is doing the repaint, if my car is their first with this specific paint. If so, I'm going to delay the paint job and wait for someone else to be the painter's guinea pig and let them practice getting it right on someone else's car.

Crap - I get more and more pissed as I think about this whole fiasco.

I reposted this link once before for someone. Sorry if you've already seen it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvJtVI11dlE

This is a 2017 video of the Mazda factory.
-Specific discussions on the Soul Red Crystal Metallic paint begin at about 9:50 and run through 15:20
-At 11:20 they get specific on the 4-layer paint process for this color.
It might help you be informed when having conversations on this issue.

I've been lurking around here because I am about ready to pull the trigger on a CX-5, and this paint issue has been an obstacle. Mazda paint has never had a reputation for being highly durable, and the colors I like (Red, Machine Grey) are among the most fragile.

I hope you get a satisfactory resolution.
 
I'm sitting here laughing. I have impeccable timing that would make me rich if I could actually use it for good.

If I made an off-color joke about women from the South Samoan islands who were Capricorns, guess who would be standing right behind me.

[rodney dangerfield]"But hey. I like silver. On you it looks good."[/rodney dangerfield]
(Adjusts tie)

:p
 
All I can say is that I've had my 2018 SRCM CX5 for six weeks now, and I don't have a single paint chip on it.

I've accepted paint chips as a reality of driving on the autobahn at the speeds I do. I call them war wounds.
 
Perhaps the problem has been fixed for the 18s. Plenty of 17s suffering, but any 18s??
18 SRCM owners speak up!
 
I'm sitting here laughing. I have impeccable timing that would make me rich if I could actually use it for good.

If I made an off-color joke about women from the South Samoan islands who were Capricorns, guess who would be standing right behind me.

[rodney dangerfield]"But hey. I like silver. On you it looks good."[/rodney dangerfield]
(Adjusts tie)

Been a while since I heard some Dangerfield.

Excuse me while I go hang out on Youtube for a while...
 
Been a while since I heard some Dangerfield.

Excuse me while I go hang out on Youtube for a while...

I live in the country...no cable tv. I punted satellite and just installed an antenna because I found I was only watching a handful of channels anyway (although I do miss college sports, especially when playoffs roll around). Fortunately I'm between two major tv markets, and after a bunch of tweaking, get over 20 channels.

I find myself watching reruns of old TV shows. Dangerfield was on Carson just a couple of nights ago. He's the best!

"My wife likes to talk during sex. She keeps calling me from motels."
 
We purchased a 2018 Soul Red Crystal Metallic Mazda CX-5 in March. We have the same issue as others. About a month after our purchase with less than 2,500 miles, we went to the dealership to have it reviewed for a possible defect and they brought in their paint specialist. The paint specialist examined it and said that it just takes getting behind the wrong truck to make that happen. He said the paint wasn't defective because there was no peeling. He said that if we didn't get it painted it would rust. He also suggested we turn it into our insurance to see if they would cover it.

We did get a call back from the dealership saying that they have had another report and we should come in and have the photos taken. We did that, their review showed over 30 paint chips with less than 2,500 miles on our car. In June we called Mazda Customer Care. She told us that our car had been approved for repairs and to contact my dealer to proceed with the repairs. After multiple calls to the dealer, we were told that the repair process would include hood replacement, and repair with repaint to the front bumper. We asked a number of questions along the lines of why wasn't the whole car being repainted when the paint was defective, how would other parts of the car be fixed when paint chips develop and other questions about the warranty of the pieces being repainted. The dealer was unable to answer the questions and directed us to Mazda Customer Care.

In July, we contacted Mazda Customer Care and spoke to a representative who simply stated that "we should be fine" once the initial chips were repainted. We did not find much comfort in his words, and requested to speak to a supervisor. A supervisor eventually came on the line and said that the repaint process would include an additional layer of topcoat, she also acknowledged that Mazda was having weekly meetings to discuss the issues with the paint and they would take care of the issue. We requested whether any options were available besides the repainting and she said we could visit the dealer to find out about trade in value.

We went to the dealership and were given a kbb.com trade-in value of $26,000 for our Soul Red Mazda Grand Touring with the premium package (which has a MSRP of over $33,000). When I pulled out my phone and showed him how kbb.com had a $28,000 trade-in value, he tried telling me that they also go by comparables and there weren't many trade-ins with that low of miles. The best quote they could give was for us to pay $4817.79 more to purchase a different color 2018 Mazda CX-5. We emailed the price quote from the dealership to the Mazda Customer Care supervisor and stated our unhappiness with the quote.

The Mazda Customer Care supervisor researched the trade in quoted and stated that the dealer "lowballed us". After explaining the few interactions with the dealer and our lack of confidence in the dealer (we were told the paint chips were our fault and they did not give us a fair offer for our trade-in), the Mazda Customer Care supervisor said Mazda would rectify the situation and would take "full responsibility" for the issue and that we would be able to work directly with the manufacturer instead of the dealer and that they would set us up with a specific vendor for the repainting. She also offered to let us speak with another corporate person who was handling all of these paint cases.

Later in July, we spoke to the person handling all of the paint cases. We started out the conversation by indicating that we had concerns about the paint process and that we would feel more comfortable if a lifetime warranty were offered to correct future paint chips. She said with any concerns, "there are never lifetime warranties". She confirmed that the Mazda approved painter would be the same person that originally said the paint chips were our fault. She said the paint work done by the approved painter would then be covered under his warranty. She also said that any new chips would be reviewed by Mazda to determine if they were caused by the paint defect prior to repair she also said "we aren't able to predict the future" when asked why only part of the car was being repainted. Based on our initial experience with their recommended paint shop indicating that the paint chips were not due to a defect, we do not feel confident that future paint issues will be recognized as a defect.

We've left messages for Mazda Customer Care supervisor to try and get clarifying answers to some of the open questions. It has been over a week and we haven*t heard back. Our customer experience with this purchase has been horrific. It feels that Mazda is making a minimum amount of effort to rectify an issue that they caused and are not willing to commit to making us whole on this purchase.

We traded in a 2015 Mazda CX5 when we purchased this car. We had no issues with the 2015 car. It was a different color. We loved the redesign. However, it is not worth the headache we have had dealing with Mazda. Mazda appears to be only offering a partial solution (painting part of the car) and putting the onus on its customers to monitor the car for future issues, and then to only fix them if Mazda feels it is necessary. I assume the paint is under the 3 year 36,000 mile warranty. What happens if chips show up in year 4? What happens if we have issues with the repaint? Mazda is telling us any issues with repainted sections will be passed of to the paint specialist and handled under his warranty.

Does anybody here know the answers to the following questions?

Was the paint itself an issue or the paint process an issue? We have not been able to get a straight answer to the defect cause.

Has anybody gotten a different answer on how long Mazda will warranty the defective paint that they choose not to fix?

Has Mazda also told you that they would not warranty the repaint?

The dealership also hinted that they could identify the affected cars by VIN. I am not sure that they weren't aware of the issue when they sold us our car.
 
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Car Man,

Very nice summary, thanks! I had my vehicle inspected almost a month ago. I have an appointment at my dealership tomorrow morning - Mazda NA contacted the dealer last week, so I'm very much looking forward to how they're going to rectify my situation. I'll post back here tomorrow after the inspection. I'm curious to see if I get the same response you did.
 
I am in the process of buying a CX-5 and established a relationship with a Mazda Customer Service Rep with some pre-sales questions. I emailed her and asked about this paint issue.

Here is her reply: "Mazda investigates any and all product quality complaints that are received. Regarding the paint concerns, there are currently no campaigns released related to that issue, nor is there any information that there will be in the future."

I casually dropped this subject in conversation with the sales guy as we were taking an extended test drive. He say he knows nothing of it (but he has only been there 8 months). I spoke with the sales manager. He's been there for 14 years and claims he has not seen or heard of this issue (yeh, I know the Soul Red Crustal Metallic is a new color and a new 4 step process). I made sure to have the conversation in person, I did not get the impression he was blowing smoke.

I'm not claiming that there is no problem. I am saying that from my limited experience, Mazda is not formally acknowledging it to be more than paint issues with specific cars, and not a global problem. I think most of us disagree.
 
They have never acknowledged the problem. It's done on a case by case basis
 
We purchased a 2018 Soul Red Crystal Metallic Mazda CX-5 in March. We have the same issue as others

We went to the dealership and were given a kbb.com trade-in value of $26,000 for our Soul Red Mazda Grand Touring with the premium package (which has a MSRP of over $33,000). When I pulled out my phone and showed him how kbb.com had a $28,000 trade-in value, he tried telling me that they also go by comparables and there weren't many trade-ins with that low of miles. The best quote they could give was for us to pay $4817.79 more to purchase a different color 2018 Mazda CX-5. We emailed the price quote from the dealership to the Mazda Customer Care supervisor and stated our unhappiness with the quote.

The Mazda Customer Care supervisor researched the trade in quoted and stated that the dealer "lowballed us".
I'd be real curious to know what kind of trade in value you'd get from a different brand dealer, like trading it in on an Acura RDX, or a RAV4.

I have the 2017 Mazda 6 with the machine grey colour, and it also has more than a few chips on the hood and fenders already.
I'm not happy about it.
I only have 10,000 kms on it (about 6,000 miles), and it is driven carefully on paved roads in urban areas.
I don't drive behind trucks or tail gate, and yet it has more chips in 8 months than my last car had in ten years.
I have no idea where they are coming from, and I'm not sure what, if anything, I'm going to do about it.
I was planning to keep the car for about ten years, maybe more, but now I'm thinking of trading it in by year 3 or 4.
We'll see.
In the meantime, good luck with your battles with Mazda to get things fixed.
Keep us posted.
Thanks.
 
Mazda does not have the option to not warranty the repainted sections of the car. Ours has been at their body shop for five weeks. Two of those weeks were wasted while Mazda beat down the body shop on the price for the repaint work.

Mazda has zero interest in customer satisfaction. Meeting the minimum obligations as required by law is all they care about. They know they have a problem with this paint and you offered to buy your way out of the problem and they just blew you off.

I have long wondered why a company with such obviously well engineered products has such a weak brand image.

On their web site when you want to do a competitive comparison with the CX-5 you are offered the equivalent models from Infiniti, Lexus, BMW, Audi, etc. The folks in marketing need to get in touch with customer service and explain the difference between the way a Toyota customer is treated and a Lexus customer. Mazda doesn't even match up to what Kia is doing for buyers of yellow Stingers, no less what the real luxury brands do.

My advice to you is to make sure you get a nice loaner car when you drop yours off. You'll be driving it for awhile.
 
Just got off the phone with my dealer. Mazda has given approval to repaint the affected body panels. The dealer said this means they're going to repaint my entire vehicle in order to get everything to match. I asked about the existing warranty, a possible extension to the existing warranty - dealer didn't have an answer as Mazda hasn't told him anything else. Dealer said they've got a CX-5 being repainted now, and it's on week 5(!). At least I won't be the guinea pig for this process! Dealer said it will be 3-4 weeks and they'll get me a rental (should I demand another CX-5)? Not entirely happy about this. Dealer said they're going to dismantle all the body panels (roof too?). I'm worried I'm not going to get the same car back :(
 
Just got off the phone with my dealer. Mazda has given approval to repaint the affected body panels. The dealer said this means they're going to repaint my entire vehicle in order to get everything to match. I asked about the existing warranty, a possible extension to the existing warranty - dealer didn't have an answer as Mazda hasn't told him anything else. Dealer said they've got a CX-5 being repainted now, and it's on week 5(!). At least I won't be the guinea pig for this process! Dealer said it will be 3-4 weeks and they'll get me a rental (should I demand another CX-5)? Not entirely happy about this. Dealer said they're going to dismantle all the body panels (roof too?). I'm worried I'm not going to get the same car back :(

Look at it this way.

You're paint job is liable to be more durable than anyone else's.

When you say that other car s "on week 5," does that mean it's been in the shop for 5 weeks???
 
Our CX-5 has been with the Mazda dealer's body shop since the day after I dropped it off at the dealer on July 17th (today is day 36). As I mentioned previously, the first two weeks were wasted while the body shop and Mazda negotiated a price for the repaint.

The Mazda representatives text messages ("Lexi" from Mazda never talked to us, she may be a computer program) were very clear. Only the effected panels will be painted. On our car that is everything but the back door and rear bumper panel. The paint will be "blended in" on those two panels. So I guess, technically, my entire car is being repainted! (and yes, I'm not amused by the foolishness of this).

When I objected, again by text message I was informed I could have the effected panels painted, or I could pick up my car from the dealer.

As to the loaner they put you in, insist on at least the same trim level as your CX-5. Our current loaner is a Sport model. No tinted windows during the summer has the A/C working overtime, and the sound system is not very good.
 

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