hmmm... Well thats around what KBB and edmunds and NADA say. however.... i was at the Scoobie dealer today lookin at the 05 STi and they offered me 11,500. I was like," is that a joke!?!?!" So i talked to another dealer on the phone and he seemed to understand my situation more then the other place. Obviously im going to get less on a trade in then say a private sale, i am aware of this. I am just tired of dealing with the warranty issues and my car seems to have every problem that it could have. FYI it going to the dealer tomm to have them check out some squeeks among other things. I got them down to 30,994 for the STi but i need atleast 15k for my trade cuz thats around what i owe. So i guess im just telling and venting, this post doesnt make a whole lotta sense. Dont get me wrong i love the MSP i like it alot but i think i shoulda spent the extra cash and gone for what i really crave. Dont hate me, im just askin for input. thanks everyone!