What MPG is everyone getting on their AWD?
We live in SoCal so we’ve got hills but not climbing mountains everyday. Looks like we’re averaging 19 MPG. It’s brand new with around 1K miles.
‘17 GT Premium
I've lived in snowy areas all my life. Had a couple Subaru's. One in the 80's had on demand, that I used exactly 3 times over 10 years of use. I feel AWD is totally useless and is just a marketing schema. Look at consumer reports review: https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2015/09/do-you-really-need-awd-in-the-snow/index.htm
or
http://www.automoblog.net/2015/01/16/snow-tires-vs-awd/
or
https://www.caranddriver.com/columns/snow-tires-still-beat-four-wheel-drive
or https://jalopnik.com/lets-settle-the-winter-tires-vs-all-wheel-drive-debat-1462180324
still not convinced: http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a3091/the-myth-of-the-all-powerful-all-wheel-drive-15202862/
I have a FWD CX5 and have Blizaks on it, never had any issues. But I was recently in a canyon in a friends AWD van. We hit ice and slid off the road, as did 3 Subaru's behind us, a RWD truck and a Jeep. After an hour of shoveling and throwing dirt on the icy patch we all got out. Even the RWD truck. My FWD manual CX5 is averaging 35+ mpg. My last tank was 32 mpg and that was with a bunch of short drives and a few steep canyon drives.
My Subaru's were a PITA, all cv boots cracked and some of the joints failed. Eventually that ran almost 3 grand to have 8 cv joints replaced. I blew out a tire that resulted in all 4 needing to be replaced (AWD needs all tires to be same wear)....
Reduced MPG, reduced HP due to losses in differential and increased weight, increased maintenance, increased cost of tires... All so I can feel overconfident driving in bad weather. Nope, FWD for me forever.
I've lived in snowy areas all my life. Had a couple Subaru's. One in the 80's had on demand, that I used exactly 3 times over 10 years of use. I feel AWD is totally useless and is just a marketing schema. Look at consumer reports review: https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2015/09/do-you-really-need-awd-in-the-snow/index.htm
or
http://www.automoblog.net/2015/01/16/snow-tires-vs-awd/
or
https://www.caranddriver.com/columns/snow-tires-still-beat-four-wheel-drive
or https://jalopnik.com/lets-settle-the-winter-tires-vs-all-wheel-drive-debat-1462180324
still not convinced: http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a3091/the-myth-of-the-all-powerful-all-wheel-drive-15202862/
I have a FWD CX5 and have Blizaks on it, never had any issues. But I was recently in a canyon in a friends AWD van. We hit ice and slid off the road, as did 3 Subaru's behind us, a RWD truck and a Jeep. After an hour of shoveling and throwing dirt on the icy patch we all got out. Even the RWD truck. My FWD manual CX5 is averaging 35+ mpg. My last tank was 32 mpg and that was with a bunch of short drives and a few steep canyon drives.
My Subaru's were a PITA, all cv boots cracked and some of the joints failed. Eventually that ran almost 3 grand to have 8 cv joints replaced. I blew out a tire that resulted in all 4 needing to be replaced (AWD needs all tires to be same wear)....
Reduced MPG, reduced HP due to losses in differential and increased weight, increased maintenance, increased cost of tires... All so I can feel overconfident driving in bad weather. Nope, FWD for me forever.
AWD + snow tires >>> FWD + snow tires, hands down.
but AWD + snow tires >>> FWD + snow tires, hands down.
I've lived in snowy areas all my life. Had a couple Subaru's. One in the 80's had on demand, that I used exactly 3 times over 10 years of use. I feel AWD is totally useless and is just a marketing schema. Look at consumer reports review: https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2015/09/do-you-really-need-awd-in-the-snow/index.htm
or
http://www.automoblog.net/2015/01/16/snow-tires-vs-awd/
or
https://www.caranddriver.com/columns/snow-tires-still-beat-four-wheel-drive
or https://jalopnik.com/lets-settle-the-winter-tires-vs-all-wheel-drive-debat-1462180324
still not convinced: http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a3091/the-myth-of-the-all-powerful-all-wheel-drive-15202862/
I have a FWD CX5 and have Blizaks on it, never had any issues. But I was recently in a canyon in a friends AWD van. We hit ice and slid off the road, as did 3 Subaru's behind us, a RWD truck and a Jeep. After an hour of shoveling and throwing dirt on the icy patch we all got out. Even the RWD truck. My FWD manual CX5 is averaging 35+ mpg. My last tank was 32 mpg and that was with a bunch of short drives and a few steep canyon drives.
My Subaru's were a PITA, all cv boots cracked and some of the joints failed. Eventually that ran almost 3 grand to have 8 cv joints replaced. I blew out a tire that resulted in all 4 needing to be replaced (AWD needs all tires to be same wear)....
Reduced MPG, reduced HP due to losses in differential and increased weight, increased maintenance, increased cost of tires... All so I can feel overconfident driving in bad weather. Nope, FWD for me forever.
I feel AWD is totally useless and is just a marketing schema.
The AWD slides right into the FWD hands down because it was going too fast for conditions.
Am I reading that right?
You think Utah is bad? Try living in Flagstaff, AZ. People come up from Phoenix in the AWD's thinking they can drive in anything. It was fun helping them back on the road.*Looks at location.*
Ah, Utah. There is a serious lack of driving skills in that state. You all drive like total crap out there, worse than California.
I've lived in snowy areas all my life. Had a couple Subaru's. One in the 80's had on demand, that I used exactly 3 times over 10 years of use. I feel AWD is totally useless and is just a marketing schema. Look at consumer reports review: https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2015/09/do-you-really-need-awd-in-the-snow/index.htm
or
http://www.automoblog.net/2015/01/16/snow-tires-vs-awd/
or
https://www.caranddriver.com/columns/snow-tires-still-beat-four-wheel-drive
or https://jalopnik.com/lets-settle-the-winter-tires-vs-all-wheel-drive-debat-1462180324
still not convinced: http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a3091/the-myth-of-the-all-powerful-all-wheel-drive-15202862/
Or how about Outside mag, they know a think or 2 about the outdoors:
https://www.outsideonline.com/2144166/awd-doesnt-matter-winter-tires-do
I have a FWD CX5 and have Blizaks on it, never had any issues. But I was recently in a canyon in a friends AWD van. We hit ice and slid off the road, as did 3 Subaru's behind us, a RWD truck and a Jeep. After an hour of shoveling and throwing dirt on the icy patch we all got out. Even the RWD truck. My FWD manual CX5 is averaging 35+ mpg. My last tank was 32 mpg and that was with a bunch of short drives and a few steep canyon drives.
My Subaru's were a PITA, all cv boots cracked and some of the joints failed. Eventually that ran almost 3 grand to have 8 cv joints replaced. I blew out a tire that resulted in all 4 needing to be replaced (AWD needs all tires to be same wear)....
Reduced MPG, reduced HP due to losses in differential and increased weight, increased maintenance, increased cost of tires... All so I can feel overconfident driving in bad weather. Nope, FWD for me forever.
I can imagine. But for me SLC is the scariest place I've ever had to drive. Terrible drivers. Bay area in California was less scary.You think Utah is bad? Try living in Flagstaff, AZ. People come up from Phoenix in the AWD's thinking they can drive in anything. It was fun helping them back on the road.
Seriously, did you read any of the numerous article posted on this subject? Your saying I'm delusional, so is consumer reports, car and driver, outside magazine...?