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1. I agree w/ ironman in the fact that alot of teachers do all they can to help kids in school... and it is up to the kids to help themselves. However, there are teachers that do a much better job at motivating students than others do. This is where I agree w/ 1st mp3, and I really believe that he did give respect the teachers who he thought did an exceptional, or even good job. There are always those teachers who are bitter and rude to their students, whether it be from years of having horrible students, or being burnt out on the job.
2. 1st mp3, are you sure you aced EVERY class?? Even spelling/english? There were a few typos in that last post
3. Ironman, you are obviously not quite as intelligent as the language portrayed in your second to last post. The reason I say this is because you are trying to cover up the fact that you are being extremely childish with an "intelligent" or "wise" adage. The fact that 1st mp3 isn't particularly fond of teachers really doesn't (or I should say shouldn't) affect the world you live in in any way shape or form. I'm sure that are hundreds of thousands of students out there who dislike, or even loath some or all of their teachers. Are you going to make it your personal mission to find them all and make your point known?
--I just hopped into this thread again, and saw just the last couple posts... I just went back and read the last page or so and have a couple more comments--
1. Ironman. As for your post as to what is expected of you. Yes. That is all expected. You should have known that when you entered the field. It is said that to be a teacher, the students and the work have to be more important to you than the pay. This seems like it MAY be the case with you. However, then you go and post about how too much is expected of you and you don't get paid enough. Granted, teachers should be able to live comfortably, but you just don't seem like your heart is really into it. If you REALLY enjoyed teaching and helping mold a young persons life, then you wouldn't be complaining about this. You could have just noted what is expected of you, rather than post somewhat of a rant about it, including that you aren't paid well enough.
Basically, I feel that if the only teachers we had were the ones that really wanted to teach, and wanted to encourage students and help them learn, then the school system would be much better off. I think that the children in the school systems would enjoy learning more, would participate more, would have better relationships with their teachers and would generally develop better social skills as well as knowledge of the difference between right and wrong.
However, (yah.. theres always a catch) if this was the case, there wouldn't be even close to HALF as many teachers as we have now. Either classrooms would be packed with 60-70 students, and none would get the attention they need, plus not to mention the fact that the teacher would not be able to keep a handle on things, or there would be many children unable to get an education.
I'm not siding with anyone, nor am I flaming or putting anyone down. You both make valid points, but you are both on two different ends of the spectrum, and cannot see from the other persons point of view. C'mon Ironman... I know you had atleast 1 teacher you really disliked throughout the time you spent in school.