Scott D. said:
Yes asshat, I have heard the components. In comparison to mid-range focals, mid-range Rainbow, mid-range CDT's, and my low-end Oz's, they are the best set I've heard. The other comps I've heard were considerably more expensive. I'm not just blindingly reccommending things.
I'm not a ******* moron unlike some other people here when it comes to audio. I'm not like "OMG ben sez that like my k's have extra-linear exurzion so they are the best". I've listened to many different subs. And for a good mix of SPL and SQ (more focused on SQ), eD is the best i've heard so far, at a great price too. They stand behind their product (they didn't really before, but now they have amazing CS.) 100%. I haven't been ****** over. I don't really know anyone who has been ****** over by eD lately. They are evolving. They are changing the way they run things. They are stopping the pre-order bulls*** (and I agree, that was bulls***) where they take orders like 6 months ahead of scheduled production, and the production date keeps changing. eD is different than how they used to be. They have a 3 year warranty system that is very slick. I blew my NINe.1 once (great, i'm not super bitter about it. s*** happens. It was the first production run), and all I had to do was ship it out. A week later, i had my NINe.1 back in my hands. Sure, it blew. But everything else has been solid. I don't consider it as "me being ****** over".
I've had friends with much worse problems with audio companies. For example, my friend bought a Pioneer 8600MP, and it stopped reading MP3's. He brought it in to Ultimate electronics, and they shipped it out to Pioneer. They told him he'd have it in 2-3 weeks. He got it back, exact same condition it was sent out in. He sent it back. Same thing. He was without a HU for 6 months because Pioneer kept ******* up. Should I start crapping on Pioneer? No. They make great products.
Sorry you got ****** over (how did you get ****** over??) and chill out and stop calling everyone fanboys. I'm not in a little ICIX/eD bubble... why the **** do you think i'm here? I go on all different kinds of forums, not preaching about eD, but making helpful recommendations because I love car audio. eD isn't the best company in the world, but it's a pretty ******* good one.
In the First place, name calling is a tad out of line, but whatever, I've been called much worse by people who own companies who peddle stereo gear. I called you a fanboi and that's the extent of it. if you take THATMUCH issue to that then you, sir fanboy should do some homework.
As far as what happened with me, It's bene drug around the net alot, but here's the condensed version. I waited for about 6months for their precious eDi speakers to come out. scraped together my hard earnedcash to plunk down on a pair. Thi sall just happened to go down a bit after the Bikeshop I'd managed had to file for bankruptcy, so the money was evenmore precious to me at this point. In late july after expected date of march, I finally got them. nobig deal there, but annoying all the same. All this while I was carefully getting my system ready for my precious speakers. I'd bridged my amp to get good power for them, but seeingas I wished to be on the safe side, and Ihad time on my hands, I took it in to the shop I now work at, and had the 20+yr installer help me meter my amp sothat it was putting out 120w. with a sinewave. crossed over at 24db/o at 80hz (actually 121w by the time you do the math)
So then finally the day arived, Like a kid at christmas,I get my precious gems, mount them right into my car that was waiting for them, and after about a half a day's worth of playing them, WHILE LISTENING TO THE SONG "FAST CAR" BY TRACY CHAPMAN AT 3/4 VOLUME, I hear a bunch of nasty noises and then nothing but highs. So I Immediately shutoff my car, carefuly checkout everything else there is to check, pull my speakers and findout they're fried.
At this point I figure, " hey, it'sa good thing they've got that awesome 3year warranty" So I callup, a bit bothered, but understanding that sometimes things slide, and this IS a first run production, and I got special pre-order pricing, so I reluctantly pay to ship them right back. even paid extra after I was told turnaround time would be a couple days max. after 2weeks worth of back and fourhting about how I must've just blown them, and not only denying warranty, but insulting me, a loyal customer who'd been shamelesly pimping their CRAP allover this site and others for a year... So I figure screw it, and postup about the experience on their website, and after an 18pagelong icix thread the, course of which involved actualy alot of informational discussion and likely ben learning a bit as well as myself, got permanantly deleted by mr milne, As well as him banning me form ICIX, I just turned to the hype that had spread all over the web. MANY experts, industry muckymucks, and previous associates come forward and state that firstoff ben's behavior is no real suprise to them, second, the pictures that were shown demonstrate something MUCH DIFFERENT than what elemental claimed was me "overpowering" my mids.
THIS IS ELEMENTAL DESIGN'S CUSTOMER SERVICE WHEN IT DOESN'T INVOLVE YOU PAYING MONEY. you're not only personally insulted, denied warranty on no real grounds, and essentially ****** out of the $300ish dollars of hard to spend money you just shelled out. Perhaps he has learned from my experience that it doesn't pay to **** over a good customer over a simple recone that would've cost him about $20. Hell, even assuming I WAS wrong and DID blow them up even intentiaonally, that's HORRIBLE business. And if he has learned this lesson, good, it's a lesson I'll continue to teach him. Upto and including the day where I publically deficate upon his car. SAY HE HAS CHANGED HIS WAYS, whoop de ******* doo, I have NEVER recieved any sort of apology, explanation for his behavior, replacement speakers, or found any other reason why I should EVER allow anyone to unknowingly fall into the same kind of bulls*** I once did. I say waht I say not to insult you, but to perhaps educate you, and if you're lost, no big deal, so you're mad at me, but I DO NOT want to see others go through this kind of bulls***.
Another note, he's done it all before as well, so don't think it's an isolated incident. I EVEN SAW IT COMING ANS STILL GAVE THEM BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT!
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