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Ok car audio geniuses, put together my system!
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Guys, Remember who you're dealing wiht here.
YES, I'm strongly biased, but I've spoken with alot of insiders who've discussed this man's ethics and motivations with me. From what I've heard and has been pointed out to me, the man has never ONCE made any business decisions with soundquality or customer satisfaction in mind. I've got a thing against going to that place, so apart form my quick skim I'm not going to get involved enough in it to care, but once again, remember who this guy is, I strongly urge you all to not be lured into ben and his minions' sweet talk. His group buys are prettymuch always a way for him to make a quick buck and then eventually get around to trying to sort thigns out after he's got cash in hand. I would definately let it happen and wait for results BEFORE jumping in on it. I promise you if it goes over well they'll still be offering deals. As always if it seems too good to be true...
Again, I'm highly biased and we all know this, but has ANYONE ever heard ANY reason why they should do business with this asshat? think beyond the appeal of saving a buck and consider the history of the company.
No dissing on the ural, I've honestly never heard of it, but apparantly some of you have. I'd be willing to bet, however that there's some exaggeration goingon from ben's end if that's your only source of information however.
I will say that if you DO decide to go through with it, make sure you never publically do nothing but kiss his ass or you're as good as ******.
Also keep in mind that you're very likely not the only one thinking of turning them around for a buck (or at least a non-loss) on ebay. I'd imagine he's got a couplefew extra set aside for that as well.
YES, I'm strongly biased, but I've spoken with alot of insiders who've discussed this man's ethics and motivations with me. From what I've heard and has been pointed out to me, the man has never ONCE made any business decisions with soundquality or customer satisfaction in mind. I've got a thing against going to that place, so apart form my quick skim I'm not going to get involved enough in it to care, but once again, remember who this guy is, I strongly urge you all to not be lured into ben and his minions' sweet talk. His group buys are prettymuch always a way for him to make a quick buck and then eventually get around to trying to sort thigns out after he's got cash in hand. I would definately let it happen and wait for results BEFORE jumping in on it. I promise you if it goes over well they'll still be offering deals. As always if it seems too good to be true...
Again, I'm highly biased and we all know this, but has ANYONE ever heard ANY reason why they should do business with this asshat? think beyond the appeal of saving a buck and consider the history of the company.
No dissing on the ural, I've honestly never heard of it, but apparantly some of you have. I'd be willing to bet, however that there's some exaggeration goingon from ben's end if that's your only source of information however.
I will say that if you DO decide to go through with it, make sure you never publically do nothing but kiss his ass or you're as good as ******.
Also keep in mind that you're very likely not the only one thinking of turning them around for a buck (or at least a non-loss) on ebay. I'd imagine he's got a couplefew extra set aside for that as well.
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reading the warranty card on the PDF:
"this warranty shall not cover___ Elimination of defects resulting from connection and operation with parts not approved by manufacturer___mechanical defects___"
It also states that it's only valid on russian federation territory..
I'm NOT saying that it's going to happen, but if it does, there's plenty of wording there for your to be fully denied anything. Looking at features, etc I'm kind of interested in these things myself, but for now i'll stick to things i know and trust. Perhaps I'll be slow on the bandwagon, but I'm not about to be stung again.
"this warranty shall not cover___ Elimination of defects resulting from connection and operation with parts not approved by manufacturer___mechanical defects___"
It also states that it's only valid on russian federation territory..
I'm NOT saying that it's going to happen, but if it does, there's plenty of wording there for your to be fully denied anything. Looking at features, etc I'm kind of interested in these things myself, but for now i'll stick to things i know and trust. Perhaps I'll be slow on the bandwagon, but I'm not about to be stung again.
Ben Milne said:As I understand service related work is planned to be done by the company in CA. Warranty would be 1 year as it's been expressed to me.
The solution is a service center being set up. Not a big deal at all. Keep in mind that most US companies these days (including eD) do manufacturing in Korea or other countries. That doesn't mean the amp has to go back to Korea if something pops up. It just gets serviced here. Same thing applies.
Decks are the same way. Eclipse, Sony, Kenwood , etc decks don't come from USA. They are made overseas and serviced in the US.
As for background on the company. No idea. I didn't research Eclipse background before getting one of those either. Besides the CDD product most of the offerings from the company are pretty mundance in comparison. Someone forwarded me a product line-up with a few other cd players, amps, and speakers.
If Ural took a nose dive the same thing would happen to everyone just like if eD, JL, Arc, BRAX, PG, MB Quart or anyone just went under. Same deal w/ companies like Sonfoni, Rainbow, DLS etc etc where if they lacked representation in the states or the company making the product no longer wanted sales in the states and just said 'no' to anyone selling it in the USA it would greatly inhibit peoples ability to get service, the product, or updates. But these companies are hugely successful as a generally import based company and after setting up service centers and the like they cater to customers needs quickly and affordably.
We're not URAL. We're not a part of the company. If we ever sold it we're not selling it as anything but a dealer.
I have one becuase I spent weeks digging through stuff to get ahold of someone who had one and got ahold of the company myself. I paid for it with a wire transfer. Anyone who wants one could do that and get it there.
Anyone who got it would be taking a risk just like I did. If someone doesn't want to do that. They shouldn't buy it. They should go to best buy and get a deck with a 4 year swappable warranty.
Any product has to be serviced. Any conversations I've had with the company directly are all in English and communication is very clear. It's not like someone has to decode Russian electronic labeling and learn a entirely new way to communicate with a secret docoder ring to service it. The unit is hardware driven on software just like your computer. It's the software that's complicated not the construction of the unit. No product is flawless but in a world so driven by the import / export market and with so many people in the electronics field I don't currently see the service as the main hurdle.
I'm not the guy with all the answers in this case. I'm just a guy who wants to sell them who happens to have one right now who paid a few hundred dollars in shipping from Russia to get it.
to compare an unknown russian company to well established aisian or european companies is pretty unreasonable. i'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt, but ben has proven enough times that he's only interested in money. i'm not going to go into that arguement again, as most of us know the history and have our own opinions about that. anyways, pay attention to the last line. "i'm not the guy with all the answers in this case". HE'S SELLING THE UNITS AND DOESN'T KNOW HOW THEY WILL GET SERVICED?! anyone else see something wrong with that? he even states that he paid hundreds in shipping to get one unit shipped to him, so what happens if a company in the US doesn't service the units? is it worth the shipping to russia and time without the unit to get it fixed? i hope for the sake of those that will buy the unit that ben gets his act together and gets some info about warranty work for the units so people don't get completely screwed.
Poseur said:touche'
If MY words don't mean anything since I'm biased, perhaps those will.
WHAT is it about this man that makes ppl feel so happy to give him their money all the time?
Your dealings with the company are not isolated Poseur as I'm sure you are aware. Often, people will not come forward with their stories with the EDiots because they fear the "I told you so!!" response coming!! Self-preservation and ignorance keeps them in business.....and having a Socialist forum like ISUX helps them spread their propaganda quite well also.
Yep, quite aware that I'm not alone, I just try to always point out to everyone where I'm coming from because I'm notlike ben in that respect. YES Ive' got alot of unsettled issues with them that won't be put to rest until I either
A> am apologised to and refunded or atleast returned functional speakers. ALONG WITH atleast 2 of the handful of others I'm aware of who've also been screwedover.
or B> I get my chance to take a crap on ben's windshield... Okay I'd likely still holda grudge, but I'd feel much better about the situation.
Actually everytime anyone brings up somethign that isn't a sunshine enima over there ben simply deletes the thread, then bans the user. 1sty was a member for all of like 45min one night simply because he calmly and nicely asked some very straightforward questions that were critical of thealmighty ben.
At anyrate, sorry this thread's gone off on such a tangent man, I'm honestly not allthat knowledgeable on the Pio setup, but I'm sure one of the smartkids'll answer you evnetually.
A> am apologised to and refunded or atleast returned functional speakers. ALONG WITH atleast 2 of the handful of others I'm aware of who've also been screwedover.
or B> I get my chance to take a crap on ben's windshield... Okay I'd likely still holda grudge, but I'd feel much better about the situation.
Actually everytime anyone brings up somethign that isn't a sunshine enima over there ben simply deletes the thread, then bans the user. 1sty was a member for all of like 45min one night simply because he calmly and nicely asked some very straightforward questions that were critical of thealmighty ben.
At anyrate, sorry this thread's gone off on such a tangent man, I'm honestly not allthat knowledgeable on the Pio setup, but I'm sure one of the smartkids'll answer you evnetually.
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FoxPro5 said:Right now I'm looking at the Alpine 701 combo rather than take the risk with the EDioits!!!
So is the controller a compete unit or just a face of some sorts that can be mounted somewhere else?
it's just a face plate. i never got around to using an rux-c701, but i do know there are some controls you can control from an ai-net HU, i'm just not sure which ones exactly.
Latest debate on the Ural CDD...
As you know by now there are 3 pairs of RCA outputs plus a single subwoofer output. Most people only run a 3-way setup and can do with out the dedicated subwoofer output but for those of us with 3-way components plus subwoofers who want to run all-active there is an issue. First, there is only one RCA output so your sub amp only gets half the voltage it normally would. I can live with that. However the other catch is that the crossover for this output is fixed at 60Hz 12db/octave.
That is too low if I am to match up cleanly with my 6.5" front midbass drivers. There is no way to defeat this crossover...yet. This is a silly mundane detail but it can make a huge difference in a competition quality installation. Even with 24db/octave crossovers for my midbass drivers I don't think I can match up the sound when the subs are cutting out at 60Hz. I've always used 70-80Hz and had great success.
As you know by now there are 3 pairs of RCA outputs plus a single subwoofer output. Most people only run a 3-way setup and can do with out the dedicated subwoofer output but for those of us with 3-way components plus subwoofers who want to run all-active there is an issue. First, there is only one RCA output so your sub amp only gets half the voltage it normally would. I can live with that. However the other catch is that the crossover for this output is fixed at 60Hz 12db/octave.
That is too low if I am to match up cleanly with my 6.5" front midbass drivers. There is no way to defeat this crossover...yet. This is a silly mundane detail but it can make a huge difference in a competition quality installation. Even with 24db/octave crossovers for my midbass drivers I don't think I can match up the sound when the subs are cutting out at 60Hz. I've always used 70-80Hz and had great success.
chuyler1 said:Latest debate on the Ural CDD...
As you know by now there are 3 pairs of RCA outputs plus a single subwoofer output. Most people only run a 3-way setup and can do with out the dedicated subwoofer output but for those of us with 3-way components plus subwoofers who want to run all-active there is an issue. First, there is only one RCA output so your sub amp only gets half the voltage it normally would. I can live with that. However the other catch is that the crossover for this output is fixed at 60Hz 12db/octave.
That is too low if I am to match up cleanly with my 6.5" front midbass drivers. There is no way to defeat this crossover...yet. This is a silly mundane detail but it can make a huge difference in a competition quality installation. Even with 24db/octave crossovers for my midbass drivers I don't think I can match up the sound when the subs are cutting out at 60Hz. I've always used 70-80Hz and had great success.
Yea I saw your post and I have to agree. By just adjusting my LP sub x-over from 63 @ 12 to 80 @ 12 the midbass does become fuller and my stage goes up a little and deeper in the dash. I can't stand the boom-tiss, boom-tiss....my ultimate goal is always to have it blend seemlessly.....otherwise I'd just throw some 8" subs up front in some kicks and call it a day!
And that Spirit guy on there, although helpful, kinda chap's my ass(eyeballs)
got wake? said:it's just a face plate. i never got around to using an rux-c701, but i do know there are some controls you can control from an ai-net HU, i'm just not sure which ones exactly.
So would you think the 701 combo in addition to the 8053 in the dash is ridiculous or what? Where would I mount the processor?
Maybe I'll just modify the factory unit to get line-outputs...
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123618904
...and then buy an AudioControl DQXS
http://mobileaudiocontrol.com/product.asp?Product_Id=52108&d_Id=5247&l1=5247&l2=
The DQXS is the same price as the Ural CDD and the only thing I'd be missing that I actually want would be the time alignment. I'm just curious how the SQ would compare. I think I'm going to attempt the Head unit mod and compare it to my current clarion deck. Hopefully I can finish it before the end of the month.
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123618904
...and then buy an AudioControl DQXS
http://mobileaudiocontrol.com/product.asp?Product_Id=52108&d_Id=5247&l1=5247&l2=
The DQXS is the same price as the Ural CDD and the only thing I'd be missing that I actually want would be the time alignment. I'm just curious how the SQ would compare. I think I'm going to attempt the Head unit mod and compare it to my current clarion deck. Hopefully I can finish it before the end of the month.
chuyler1 said:Maybe I'll just modify the factory unit to get line-outputs...
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123618904
...and then buy an AudioControl DQXS
http://mobileaudiocontrol.com/product.asp?Product_Id=52108&d_Id=5247&l1=5247&l2=
The DQXS is the same price as the Ural CDD and the only thing I'd be missing that I actually want would be the time alignment. I'm just curious how the SQ would compare. I think I'm going to attempt the Head unit mod and compare it to my current clarion deck. Hopefully I can finish it before the end of the month.
unless you are going to mount the tweeters far away from the mids, TA is not a necessity. even when they are mounted far away, it's not always a good thing to use TA.
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