lightning and GT get passed by MSP

[Wesman II]

But you said it wasn't possible to out perform a GT.. and you said it wasn't possible for the MSP/MP3 to be "better set up" for a particular track..

Explain please!

Turfburn, don't waste your breathe. He can't explain it.
Go here:
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?userid=5304
and click on 'Find all threads started by ThrillRide'

you won't find any entitled "My trackday at Texas World Speedway" or "My trackday at Texas Motorsports Ranch"

some 'expert'

 

[ThrillRide]

But you said it wasn't possible to out perform a GT.. and you said it wasn't possible for the MSP/MP3 to be "better set up" for a particular track..

Explain please!

i'd be happy to explain. cones are not tracks. gingerman is a track. the msp is not better set up to run gingerman that a ford gt. somone else tried to bring autox into the conversation that was about road racing. back track if you need more info. i'm not arguing autox. i already said i would rather have a mini to modd and race than any super car for autox.

 

[ThrillRide]

Until you have some tracktime under your belt, sir, stick to what you know. I have a video that proves, on that day, at that track, I passed a GT. And then again at another track.
You need something else to do beside get under multiple people's skin on msprotege.com, there is no prize in it you know....

i have vid of a crappy driver in a gt getting passed by an MSP. wooohoo. hold the press!

 

[TurfBurn]

i'd be happy to explain. cones are not tracks. gingerman is a track. the msp is not better set up to run gingerman that a ford gt. somone else tried to bring autox into the conversation that was about road racing. back track if you need more info. i'm not arguing autox. i already said i would rather have a mini to modd and race than any super car for autox.

Cones are not tracks? So when something isn't a composition of turns and straights it's not a track... how about a "track" like International Speedway in Shawano, WI that is actually a national level go-kart track... but is used for car racing often as well... Last race an NSX and corvette were out there and got just throttled by STI's, Evo's, Mini's, and yep.. Protege's... But that's not a "track" I suppose because it's meant for go-kart's...

Looks like a "track" to me:

 

[TurfBurn]

by your current definition of a track we can rule out Road America and Laguna Seca as they are nowhere near the size of the full Nuburgring in Germany.

 

[ThrillRide]

you're wasting valuable time typing turfy. i don't care what you have to say. your point is wrong and mine is right.
later bro

 

[Wesman II]

Cones are not tracks? So when something isn't a composition of turns and straights it's not a track... how about a "track" like International Speedway in Shawano, WI that is actually a national level go-kart track... but is used for car racing often as well... Last race an NSX and corvette were out there and got just throttled by STI's, Evo's, Mini's, and yep.. Protege's... But that's not a "track" I suppose because it's meant for go-kart's...

Looks like a "track" to me:

Now that looks like fun.

 

[TurfBurn]

Now that looks like fun.

It is.. I should be hitting it in October...

I classify the tracks I run by the top speeds that I can usually achieve...

Gingerman was about 112
That track is about 85-90 (maybe more now with the 260+ horse)
Most auto-x is about 55.

I haven't gotten to go there yet, but Blackhawk is about a 100-105 track I guess...

But because Thrill says it is so, even though there is only a 20 mph difference between the track I pictured and Gingerman... gingerman is a track and that one is not...

Thrill ride.. we aren't talking Michael Schumacher in the GT here... MS in the GT can probably kill most anybody at most any track in most any car.. he's THAT Much better than the rest of us... but start taking comparable drivers... and there are cars and setups that are vastly wrong. You can set that GT up (suspension wise) for M.S. to be to the point that even he'd get lapped silly by you in your WRX.

Sorry Thrill... you are looking more and more like GI- with every post... happen to go to www.TiffanyGT.com much or anything? LOL.. gotta add some levity or something

 

[Wesman II]

Let me clear something up right now.
I don't think my car can own a GT on R compounds.
I just happen to have videographic evidence of me destroying one on two different tracks, on two different days.

 

[Metal MP5]

can i get more of your videos ? id love to watch them

 

[ThrillRide]

It is.. I should be hitting it in October...

I classify the tracks I run by the top speeds that I can usually achieve...

Gingerman was about 112
That track is about 85-90 (maybe more now with the 260+ horse)
Most auto-x is about 55.

I haven't gotten to go there yet, but Blackhawk is about a 100-105 track I guess...

But because Thrill says it is so, even though there is only a 20 mph difference between the track I pictured and Gingerman... gingerman is a track and that one is not...

Thrill ride.. we aren't talking Michael Schumacher in the GT here... MS in the GT can probably kill most anybody at most any track in most any car.. he's THAT Much better than the rest of us... but start taking comparable drivers... and there are cars and setups that are vastly wrong. You can set that GT up (suspension wise) for M.S. to be to the point that even he'd get lapped silly by you in your WRX.

Sorry Thrill... you are looking more and more like GI- with every post... happen to go to www.TiffanyGT.com much or anything? LOL.. gotta add some levity or something

sorry i dont know what GI is or tiffany gt.
anway you both just made my point for me so it's all good now.
so you think schumacher will run better times in wesmans MSP or in a GT with R compound?

 

[TurfBurn]

sorry i dont know what GI is or tiffany gt.
anway you both just made my point for me so it's all good now.
so you think schumacher will run better times in wesmans MSP or in a GT with R compound?

If he was given a bit to get use to both cars and they both ran the same slicks... At Gingerman it'd be the GT... at the raceway I pictured... he'd probably figure out a way with the GT (power slide etc as needed)... if he ran pure non-slip driving... I'd lean toward the MSP. But that is schumacher... he has the ability and knowledge to drive the GT to 100%... now if we put you in the GT or you in the MSP... I'd pick you in the MSP in both cases.

 

[TurfBurn]

And GI was some idiot who tried to pass off softcore porn as being his ex-wife... even photochopped out the www.tiffanyteen.com from the picture... it slowed the forums down for like a week.. and got about 1 million hits.. and is now synonymous with someone trying to claim something they can't back up.... but is humorous... so I was teasing you that you were doing the same thing and were going to look foolish like he did... was just trying to say I disagree with you in a humorous way without being an ass.

 

[Wesman II]

sorry i dont know what GI is or tiffany gt.
anway you both just made my point for me so it's all good now.
so you think schumacher will run better times in wesmans MSP or in a GT with R compound?

Schuey in the GT damn it

 

[ThrillRide]

If he was given a bit to get use to both cars and they both ran the same slicks... At Gingerman it'd be the GT... at the raceway I pictured... he'd probably figure out a way with the GT (power slide etc as needed)... if he ran pure non-slip driving... I'd lean toward the MSP. But that is schumacher... he has the ability and knowledge to drive the GT to 100%... now if we put you in the GT or you in the MSP... I'd pick you in the MSP in both cases.

again thank you... my whole argument right there. i was in no way arguing wesmans msp. hell i didnt even know it belonged to him. there was no way to tell driver ability of the msp from the first vid. there was a vid a some dude who clearly could not drive the GT. but someone on here tried to tell me fro the start that the msp (stock) would be better than the gt. so anyway thanks again for proving my point.

 

[TurfBurn]

again thank you... my whole argument right there. i was in no way arguing wesmans msp. hell i didnt even know it belonged to him. there was no way to tell driver ability of the msp from the first vid. there was a vid a some dude who clearly could not drive the GT. but someone on here tried to tell me fro the start that the msp (stock) would be better than the gt. so anyway thanks again for proving my point.

Stock for the normal driver I'd agree with the guy that stated that at the beginning.. 90% of drivers would be totally screwed in the GT... that's Wesman and my point I would say.

 

[TurfBurn]

I checked back and I see the original post was about cornering... non slip on a particularily tight corner the MSP would win due to size.... if you let the GT guy power steer and he knows how to hold it just right he might be able to pull it off.... but shear cornering on a tight corner... the MSP would hold it's own (hence auto-x is a good example where the GT can't keep with the MSP most likely).

Think of a motorcycle versus a car... ignore the superior stopping and acceleration of the bike... there are certain corners that I believe cars can do faster than bikes... and certainly other corners that bikes are WAY faster than cars. but then you have to choose what kind of bike or car... harley versus CBR is a whole nother thing LOL...

 

[ThrillRide]

I checked back and I see the original post was about cornering... non slip on a particularily tight corner the MSP would win due to size.... if you let the GT guy power steer and he knows how to hold it just right he might be able to pull it off.... but shear cornering on a tight corner... the MSP would hold it's own (hence auto-x is a good example where the GT can't keep with the MSP most likely).

Think of a motorcycle versus a car... ignore the superior stopping and acceleration of the bike... there are certain corners that I believe cars can do faster than bikes... and certainly other corners that bikes are WAY faster than cars. but then you have to choose what kind of bike or car... harley versus CBR is a whole nother thing LOL...

so you too think that the stock plaform msp will out corner a stock platform GT?

 

[TurfBurn]

so you too think that the stock plaform msp will out corner a stock platform GT?

Equivalent tires and a tight enough turn... yes (if the GT doesn't throttle steer the rear end around.. something obviously the MSP can't do)... but in any wider radius turn... not a chance in hell... there are certain types of turns each car is going to be better at... you should know and be able to admit that a corvette will get out cornered by a MSP in a lot of different turns, but in others the corvette will murder the MSP...

 

[Wesman II]

I checked back and I see the original post was about cornering... non slip on a particularily tight corner the MSP would win due to size.... if you let the GT guy power steer and he knows how to hold it just right he might be able to pull it off.... but shear cornering on a tight corner... the MSP would hold it's own (hence auto-x is a good example where the GT can't keep with the MSP most likely).

Think of a motorcycle versus a car... ignore the superior stopping and acceleration of the bike... there are certain corners that I believe cars can do faster than bikes... and certainly other corners that bikes are WAY faster than cars. but then you have to choose what kind of bike or car... harley versus CBR is a whole nother thing LOL...

Actually at Gingerman my front wheel drive really hurt because there are so many linked turns that require steering input & acceleration. I couldn't put the power down with the wheel turned at all. With a Quaife. I would just smoke both tires coming out of 2,3,7,10 if I was too aggressive. Plus the banking in 3 & 7 really chewed my left front tire. However a kink type turn at speed was great like 5.