Yet another Turbo thread, not what you think though!

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xtreme velocity

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So these past few days I have been reading almost every thread in the 1.6 and been carefully reading turbo threads. Have not made it through all of them. But here is what I'm understanding:

Nobody boost the 1.6 anymore since hiboost quit making his kit, so bottom line is to never boost a 1.6 right? So those hopes and dreams are gone now. So instead of saying I wanna go boost and where I can I find a kit. I just wanted to say this really sucks! I'm not a custom making person, I'm just not that good. Lol I wanted a kit but it looks like I'm out in that. And yes I know "it's not worth boosting a 1.6, do a motor swap for a 2.0 and put the msp kit in" we'll that's not what I wanted. If I wanted to boost a 2.0 I would just buy a msp, right? So I'm down to intake, exhaust and light weight. Right? I love my car and I'm very happy with it. The 1.6 is strong and I get great mpg! I just want to make sure I was correct on my opinion and maybe some actual helpful input for someone who doesn't want a super fast car, info for someone who wants a quick car that looks damn good. It would be nice to be able to keep up with the rotarys, but looks like I'm out.

Thanks for any input!
 
1.6 isn't really worth it in the protgs unless it the b6. Fsde is not what you want. If your looking to do a moor swap do a bp swap. It's way more boost happy and can yield plenty of power, the right one will hold 350-400 who stock, if you do this also use the g series trans and not the f series you have now

The bp in the escort gt can hold 250-300 on stock internals am since they are in the miata the aftermarket is awesome
 
A motor swap would be nice, but if I did want to swap I would do a swap hat would get me the most power. Which I'm not into being the fastest or beating anyone at that matter. I want a turbo for this car because it really set the car apart from others. It would look good and sound good. I don't need to go fast. Being quick would be fun, but not fast. If I wanted fast I would build a twin turbo trans am like my brother has. That's not what I want, I want something a lil different from everyone else. And I was just confirming that there are no acctual turbo kits being made for this car. So ill need to make a clean looking car in other means. Maybe I should have bought a msp like everyone told me to.
 
I did myself a turbo setup on my 1.6L

Engine is pretty strong on stock internals but it's another story for the transmission... The only good issue if to put a Quaiffe LSD (1500 FKN$$$)

But I love the driving of a 1.6L boosted with a Garrett GT17... spools fast and can still do 700km with one gas tank!
 
KLZE. Thats all I can say. It will swap into your proto with minor modification and doesn't take long to switch out the harness and ecu. Theres tons of threads on here that explain how to do the swap. I believe the klze puts out 170hp N/A (correct me if I'm wrong) so if you upgrade the intake/exhaust I dont see why you couldn't reach the 180hp mark.

Turbo it and you'll go over 200.

1.6 is a great, strong engine but for turbo there's no use. you'll probably get up to 140 hp (which isn't bad, but a cavalier has more power than that).

2.0 FS turbo from a msp is 170hp (with 7 pounds of boost stock)....do the math. do you really want to boost a 1.6 designed to get you only good gas mileage?
 
03protolx said:
KLZE. Thats all I can say. It will swap into your proto with minor modification and doesn't take long to switch out the harness and ecu. Theres tons of threads on here that explain how to do the swap. I believe the klze puts out 170hp N/A (correct me if I'm wrong) so if you upgrade the intake/exhaust I dont see why you couldn't reach the 180hp mark.

Turbo it and you'll go over 200.

1.6 is a great, strong engine but for turbo there's no use. you'll probably get up to 140 hp (which isn't bad, but a cavalier has more power than that).

2.0 FS turbo from a msp is 170hp (with 7 pounds of boost stock)....do the math. do you really want to boost a 1.6 designed to get you only good gas mileage?
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Klde is 170 chp Klze is 200 chp. Don't recomend the fsde as a good motor when you can take a hard turn and spin a rod bearing

Also it depends in which 1.6 mine is making in the 200 whp area and maxing out the turbo. Soon it will be closer to 300 once I upgrade the turbo
 
Sounds like some inspiration! And once said before big HP gains are not my concern! If I wanted a fast car I would go buy a sti or evo. That's not what I'm looking for. My days of high HP are over. I had a boosted klze, loved it! Very powerful! Too much work for my blood. Plus there is nothing wrong with my car. Although I have been thinking about just buying a msp. But I don't wanna spend that kind of money.
 
tweety2300 said:
Klde is 170 chp Klze is 200 chp. Don't recomend the fsde as a good motor when you can take a hard turn and spin a rod bearing

Also it depends in which 1.6 mine is making in the 200 whp area and maxing out the turbo. Soon it will be closer to 300 once I upgrade the turbo
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FSDE has been made for years, as a auto mechanic and now a tire salesman I believe the FS is a great engine. Now I'm sure everybody will flame me for that, but if you go to the high mileage thread you will find many FS motors with almost 300k miles or even more. Sure, It doesn't handle well with boost, but you have to remember the FS was designed as a "economical option" for the mazda 626 starting in 1992. The 1.8 will ALWAYS handle boost and forced induction better, but again the FS in my opinion is a strong runner. I've seen 1.8's have bad rod bearings and even blow a hole through the piston. That kind of stuff happens...these motors are manufactured, not hand made.
 
xtreme velocity said:
Sounds like some inspiration! And once said before big HP gains are not my concern! If I wanted a fast car I would go buy a sti or evo. That's not what I'm looking for. My days of high HP are over. I had a boosted klze, loved it! Very powerful! Too much work for my blood. Plus there is nothing wrong with my car. Although I have been thinking about just buying a msp. But I don't wanna spend that kind of money.
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an MSP can be found for fairly cheap. Example: There is currently a black 2003 msp with about 90k on the clock for about $4500. Theres also another that third gear is out...he wants 3300 and he has pretty decent mods. considering it was probably beat hard, a car that can do close to 150 mph for 3300 isn't bad.

Msps seem to be great runners, except like any turbo car maintenance is a b**** sometimes and you have to stay on top of it. Look out for low compression MSP's and random misfiring/stalling. Chances are that car was beat to s*** since day one and it's not worth the headache.

Before I bought my current LX (which yes this is a 2.0 and I am impressed with the power versus my 5 speed 1.6) I test drove a bright yellow/loaded msp with everything down to tinted windows. New clutch, windows tinted at 20%, newer stereo, and even the stock kenwood subwoofer deck was still mounted. I was very impressed with how much the power scooted the car and I was able to hit 100 MPH in no time in that car. Now mind you I've owned camaros (2 LS1's) and 1 firebird (1 lt1) that would both blow the doors off of these puny racers...I'm still impressed with the handling and how good they run.
 
there is also a built MSP in the vehicles for sale section. guy wants i think $6500 for a built msp with some nice goodies including a MAM turbo manifold and gt28. which $6500 is a steal for any msp that is built. considering its $3000 alone in parts/labor and machine work JUST on the engine not including supporting mods
 
The only reason I didnt get an msp is because of my commute to work (45 min) every weekday. I somewhat regret it....except the fact my 2.0 puts out more than adequate power that I need. I made the same drive for six years with my 99 1.6 5 speed and there's defintiely a difference. Cruise control makes a difference as well.
 
x2. Easier to get an msp. Mp3's are harder to find and most have 130k+ miles. Funny actually that we're talking about it....I found a yellow mp3 at a local junk yard. only had 88k miles on it and was beat to hell. If the tokico blues weren't leaking, I would have bought them for my lx.

Regular 2.0's have the "stiff as eff" ride...mp3 and msp have tokico struts and are lowered...handle better.

they also have a nicer interior.
 
The only reason I ask is due to I found a mp3 and a msp I like both. The msp asking price is 8k kinda high for my blood but that's asking price. Then the mp3 I found all depends on me seeing it in person but asking price is 4k. So I guess my question would be what's the estimated cost of boosting a mp3?
 
xtreme velocity said:
The only reason I ask is due to I found a mp3 and a msp I like both. The msp asking price is 8k kinda high for my blood but that's asking price. Then the mp3 I found all depends on me seeing it in person but asking price is 4k. So I guess my question would be what's the estimated cost of boosting a mp3?
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MSP turbo kit, usually can source out the stock manifold, turbo, and stock downpipe for like $300-$500 depending on the condition of the turbo, plus the MSP ecu which is another $75-$150. fmic piping if you go the ebay route you can make a kit for about $200 so for a max of $850ish you can source out an msp turbo kit. but i would highly rec just sourcing out the upgraded MSP turbo parts. better turbo manifold(thunder, steedspeed, signature sound, pope) all range from $250-$700 and a better downpipe (corksport, pope, speed circuit or custom) range again from $200-$500 and definitely a SSAFC $250-$350 plus IF, and this is a big IF you find a turbolife FMIC or Perrin dont think twice about buying it, probably the best FMIC out there that was ever made for the MSP which they will run about $500-$750 so again youd spend a max of about $2750 for a BETTER MSP turbo kit for all the better components with the turbo and ecu included.

so it all comes down to how much you're willing to spend on stock or better performance parts, i would suggest hitting up ScratchnSniff, he usually has a lot of good parts he collects from wrecked P5s and MSPs
 
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O ya buy a 10 year old turbo with who knows how many miles on it. You can go the whole eBay route with manifold and turbo. You will have to use a brace that goes from the turbo to the block to help keep the manifold from cracking
 
tweety2300 said:
O ya [SIZE=4[B]]buy a 10 year old turbo with who knows how many miles on it[/B][/SIZE]. You can go the whole eBay route with manifold and turbo. You will have to use a brace that goes from the turbo to the block to help keep the manifold from cracking
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a risk everyone takes. again why i said depends on what hes willing to spend. ebay chinacharger, no thanks. ill take my chances on buying a used t25 than having to rebuild a chinacharger every 10k miles
 
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