FunkyBuddha
Tuned by Slick Nick
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- 2003 Spicy Orange MSP
well they can take all the time they need..I need to come up with some funds!!
NA MSP - going the NA route
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FunkyBuddha
Tuned by Slick Nick
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- 2003 Spicy Orange MSP
Nothin yet. Haven't had a chance to go by the shop. Photography's been really busy this month. Don't worry though. Looking for cams right now.
FunkyBuddha
Tuned by Slick Nick
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- 2003 Spicy Orange MSP
Scratch that...anyone got leads on any jdm cams?
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FunkyBuddha
Tuned by Slick Nick
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- 2003 Spicy Orange MSP
So..I'm in the midst of working out my goals on a spreadsheet. Also working out the list of parts that I still need. I think this looks promising. Can anyone point me in the right direction for some Haltech E6X tuning for an NA application?
I'm guessing the Haltech I have has already a base map for a boosted car or do they all come blank? Is there an autotune function on the E6X?
Complete N00b in the EMS department here.
I'm guessing the Haltech I have has already a base map for a boosted car or do they all come blank? Is there an autotune function on the E6X?
Complete N00b in the EMS department here.
FunkyBuddha
Tuned by Slick Nick
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- 2003 Spicy Orange MSP
No one can point me to the right direction?
Maybe you covered this, but...
I don't understand why you're spending thousands of dollars to REDUCE the power and performance of your MSP?! I'm really confused.
IIRC, there was a JDM model with 170hp - pistons, cams, software, etc were different. You'll probably spend north of $2,000 to replicate it, and even then, if you're running a cat and/or a stock P5 ECU, you won't match the power that engine had.
...so the question is...why?!
I'll buy your turbo parts. lol.
I don't understand why you're spending thousands of dollars to REDUCE the power and performance of your MSP?! I'm really confused.
IIRC, there was a JDM model with 170hp - pistons, cams, software, etc were different. You'll probably spend north of $2,000 to replicate it, and even then, if you're running a cat and/or a stock P5 ECU, you won't match the power that engine had.
...so the question is...why?!
I'll buy your turbo parts. lol.
lizardman743
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- 2003 Mazdaspeed Protege
Cause it's hip-hop-happeenin', Brodawg.
socal youre just not right. sorry, but with a good tune this has potential to make more power than a msp and it will have power at every rpm. id rather have 170 na hp than 170 boosted hp.
if youre looking for help with the haltech install contact brian_mp5
if youre looking for help with the haltech install contact brian_mp5
well-chosen words
FunkyBuddha
Tuned by Slick Nick
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- 2003 Spicy Orange MSP
It's different and I wanna do it. That's the most basic answer. And..don't worry about the ecu etc. It'll be running a full standalone ems.
More horsepower than a bone stock MSP? Possibly, but it won't be cheap. And it will have less torque. I already covered the "it will cost more" part, too.
Don't get me wrong...I like n/a power too. But it won't even come close to 200 wheel with a perfect tune on a 2 liter with static cams, stock valves, etc. I'm sure 150whp would be "peppy," but I wouldn't be able to pay someone significant sums of cash to reduce the performance of my car (my guess is about +15hp and -15lb/ft crank compared to the stock setup).
I'd rather have 245 boosted hp (common on the bolt on P5 kits according to dynos on YouTube) than 170 n/a.
At any rate, have fun with her, and I commend you for being original.
Ps, if you'd rather have N/A power than boosted power...why is your car supercharged?!
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lizardman743
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C'mon the supercharger is shweet.
You can be NA with the same power! It would only cost about 3-4x the cost of your supercharger kit! Haha.
I recently dealt with this dilemma with a 12V VR6 (VW) engine. I wanted a drag project, but I really wanted an N/A motor. Fully massaged stock bore/stroke (2.8L) N/A builds, including relatively beefy cams, built heads with O/S valves, narrow stems and port/bowl work, 288 cams, custom management, short runner manifolds, etc. *barely* break the 200whp mark (I've seen as much as 220whp).
A basic intercooled turbo kit on a stock block, stock head car with just a turbo chip for a tune makes closer to 300-350whp and costs a fraction of what the N/A build does.
Needless to say, the VR project got a turbo.
I briefly considered the same situation on the P5...full bolt on cars were making about 102-105whp in the dyno thread. Basic bolt on turbo kits were making 200-220whp on youtube. Not really a tough decision once you look at the numbers.
N/A is sweet if you're rich and can afford a solid build. If you're on a budget and you want power, though - FI is the way to go fo sho.
Any dyno or vids of the supercharger setup? Who made the kit for these things anyway...what kinda blower?
FunkyBuddha
Tuned by Slick Nick
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- 2003 Spicy Orange MSP
hey man...if you wanted to ask ajkulish for the rundown on his car, pls do it over pm. Just so this s*** doesnt' get cluttered with 15 different conversations.
