lemon law???

okay i've been having problems with my msp for a while now. First my transmission blew on me, then i had a vaccum leak. Then i took it in for service and the oil was leaking. Then i was driving it and POP some vaccum hose blows again for the second time. Today was my thrid time getting it towed from these probles. As of right now its at the dealership and im driving a green ford focus. whats the lemon law?
 
well......basically if ur car has been having the same problem(s) more than 3 times (i think), than u're supposed to be reinstated or something...'cause u got a lemon
 
It varies State to State the dealership should have given you a book that had every states Lemon Laws listed.

I suddenly crave lemonade...... hmmmmm
 
Varies state to state. If you're serious about it, you'll need to speak with an attorney. Its not easy to lemon a car and you'll need the attorney's help because both the dealership and Mazda will likely push back (and you can bet they both will have attorneys of their own at the ready). It costs them a bunch of dough to lemon a car, so they'll try most anything they can to avoid it.
 
I disagree about the attorney part. All info you need is in a booklet you got when you bought the car. The lemon law process is "arbitration", which makes it easier to handle on your own without a lawyer. I have LL'd a vehicle with Mazda without an attorney. If you don't have that book, go to the internet and search "Lemon Law" and the name of your state. Your state's attorney general should have info on this.
 
Well from what I hv read , if u can claim that law the the dealer has the choice ether to fix it or you a car of the same or better.

Something like that , hell why are you asking us? You have a computer or you would not be posting here. Type in the State you live in and right behind that type in LEMON LAW.

And rocketspeed , if he gets his car taged as a lemon. We will have a much easyer time claiming ours as long as we know who ,what , when and where .

DAmn Dude/Dude'et , good luck !
 
lemonlaw ISNT like arbitration. Arbitration is signing away your right to a trial.

Lemonlaw just replaces or refunds you for the price of an obviously defective vehicle.

DO NOT EVER BUY ANYTHING IF YOU HAVE TO SIGN AN ARBITRATION AGREEMENT
 
SirJaime said:
Well from what I hv read , if u can claim that law the the dealer has the choice ether to fix it or you a car of the same or better.

Nope, once a car is determined to be a "lemon" that vehicle can never be titled. It is either destroyed, or used as a beater for the MFR.

There is no, we will replace the car with something comprable. The MFR MUST pay off your car, and take ownership of the car.
 
Turbo Matty P said:
lemonlaw ISNT like arbitration. Arbitration is signing away your right to a trial.

Lemonlaw just replaces or refunds you for the price of an obviously defective vehicle.

DO NOT EVER BUY ANYTHING IF YOU HAVE TO SIGN AN ARBITRATION AGREEMENT

Actually, it is arbitration. Here is what the state of Florida has to say about it:

If the manufacturer does not provide a refund or a replacement vehicle, consumers may invoke their rights through one or two arbitration programs. The dispute must be submitted for arbitration to a manufacturer sponsored program, if that program was certified by the State of Florida when the consumer purchase or leased the vehicle and the manufacturer's warranty or other written material explained how and where to file a claim with a state-certified program.

Check the facts. :D

In order to get them to replace or refund the purchase price, you have to follow a process. If after following the process the manufacturer does not volunteer to rectify the situation, the next step of the lemon law is arbitration.
 
sounds like Florida has different variations on the lemon law than Alabama does. As far as I know (i.e. in alabama anyway) you cannot be forced into arbitration due to the fact that it takes away your constitutional rights to a trial. You can only be forced into arbitration if you sign an arbitration agreement. I've never sent a car back through lemon law but I've spoken with a gentleman here in B'ham who took on the biggest dealer in the state and won. His accounts of what it takes to pass a vehicle off on the lemon law included nothing about court or arbitration. He merely had to fill out a complaint form and have the dealership sign it. After that it was mailed in and the dealership phoned him up a week or so later to bring the car back.

This is why I don't think states should have seperate laws. It's too confusing to talk with someone else outside your area.
 
This post is boring. Please let this be the end!

This took 8 seconds to find. Call it please before we hear about every state's Lemon Laws. Please. Free Consultation and they are in your state!!!


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It is very different state to state. Search the internet first. You might be able to do it yourself, but I wouldn't tackle a dealership or Mazda without an attorney. Think about this- how many cars have you dealt with on the lemon law? 0. How many for your dealer- dozens or maybe hundreds. Mazda? Thousands. Who knows the law and people's rights under it? Certainly your dealer or Mazda do, but you don't.

Its like that old saying- the man who is his own lawyer has a fool for a client.
 
The Law

The lemon law is just another name for a states consumer protection law. It applies not only to a vehicle but to just about any other goods sold in that state, i.e. computers, jet skies.......

Anyway, I used to represent General Motors in what they call an early resolution program. I was a litigation specialist. My job was to settle all lawsuits and demand letters presented to GM in regard vehicles. California was a state that I dealt with heavily. Not only is there a lemon law, but there is also breach of express and implied warranties. While the lemon law in california is only in effect for the first 18 months 18,000 miles, a breach of express or implied warranties can surepass your full warranty period if the non-conformities occured within the factory warranty period.

Here are facts concerning California Lemon Law.

1. A state run or BBB arbitration is NOT necessary to be fulfilled in California. This means you can go directly to an attorney.

2. The vehicle must qualify to file "lemon law" - The use, value, or safety of the vehicle must be compromised.

3. A final repair attempt and a formal letter of so must be submitted directly to the manufacturer.

4. If the non-conformity is directly related to the safety of the you and your vehicle only 2 repair attempts are necessary to meet the presumption of lemon law.

5. A presumption of lemon law, if the vehicle qualifies, will ensure that the manufacturer must settle, there is no way they can will in court.

6. Presumption of lemon law example: 3 repair attempts within 13,000 miles and 6 months from the time of purchase directly related to a stalling problem.

7. If a vehicle is repurchased by the manufacturer, it CAN be resold and titled, but the dealer will need to brand the title as a repurchased vehicle and the dealer must disclose the fact that it was a repurchase before it is re-sold.

8. When an attorney files lemon law for you, he or she will almost always file under the following: Lemon Law (song beverly act), breach of expressed and implied warranty and the Magnuson Moss Federal Warranty Act.

9. When Magnuson Moss Federal Warranty act is named in a demand letter or lawsuit and the manufacturer settles, the manufacturer must pay the plaintiffs attorneys fees.

10. A mileage deduction is allowed by law. It is calculated as so, take the mileage at the time of the first non-conformity occured.. Divide that by 100,000 and multiply that by the purchase price of the vehicle. That amount will be deducted from your settlement amount....

**** I have settled over 600 lemon law cases for GM. An example of a settled case would be 3 checks issued. 1 check to the cust., 1 check to the financial institution and 1 check to the attorney. This is an example of a straight repurchase. The surrendering of the vehcile will take place at a dealership of the cust choice and at that time the cust will hand over the vehicle and a check will be issues to the cust.

There are many many other variables that can be taken into consideration, I have just covered the main points. If you need any further question answered, please feel free to e-mail me at f1_74@yahoo.com....


Regards,
John
 
hmm...let's get some info for california only, because this is where the car is and does not require any other info from another state
 
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