well...i'm sorry to say but i backed out cause the dealer was trying to f$*# me over.....i ended up getting a black '02 SVT focus with all the options plus tinted windows for $16500 out the door tax title and everything....not bad eh.....with the extra 5-6 i saved over the MSP....i'll be able to do some serious mods....anyways...it's been nice talkin to everyone.....if anyone in the NW Ohio area gets an MSP....let me know....we should get together...i'd like to see it