I would like to see how the internals look in the H trans. I have messed with the stock trans and I am aware of what it looks like, but from the sound of it the H may have better parts like input shafts and beffier parts.....minus 3rd gear of course. I think in the end I still favor gtx gears for what I will eventually need.
F2T H-type trans Bolts right up to FS block
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As someone who put 216,000 miles combined on H series transmissions I'll take what a vendor trying to sell gear sets with a grain of salt. My original H series was rendered useless by using the incorrect CVs supplied by a retailer. It never had any gear shift/wear issues seeing 10 & 15 pounds of boost and 100% hard driving. Same with the rebuilt junkyard replacement.
What vendor are you talking about ?
fyi I beat the living s*** out of a 626GT with the 2.2T and it was a blast. The car had over 250KM and was taking 1-2 flat shifts like a champ. We beat the car until the clutch wore out and sent it to the junkyard. Trans did not fail with 2 or 3 certified idiots behind the wheel beating the car to the ground. Then again who knows what would have happened if we actually got traction at a race track with it and didnt just spin the tires all day on the street. (drive an f2t and you will see what I mean those engines are very very cool and fun to drive, they have the anti-honda power band) So my input is that this might be worth looking into if you guys have a parts car handy and the time/tools to get the job done.
There is a guy who swapped a F2T and trans into a first gen protege and Im pretty sure he had to use the front suspension from the 2.2 to re use the 2.2 axles, so add control arms, wheel assemblies etc to the list. The guy was on clubprotege I am pretty sure.
There is a guy who swapped a F2T and trans into a first gen protege and Im pretty sure he had to use the front suspension from the 2.2 to re use the 2.2 axles, so add control arms, wheel assemblies etc to the list. The guy was on clubprotege I am pretty sure.
Keep in mind knowing that the f2t and fe3 share the same bellhousings, that also means that our Trans will bolt up to an FE3 engine. That would mean that an FE3 could drop right into our cars and the only mount you would need to worry about would be the passenger side. Now, I know all FWD mazdas utilize a similar mount on the passenger side and theres probably a mount we can utilize to bolt an FE3 right into our engine bay.
This is the tranny used for fe-3 swaps and on clubprotege.com they did a group buy with Mfactory for LSD. So there is some major demand for these.
http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39859
http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39859
so the fe3 uses a rear engine mount on the block and is not on the trans like it is in bp fwd trans?
if so I doubt its plug and play with the rear 3rd gen mount (though that would be great if it is) but it would be easier making a custom rear mount than making a new undercarriage like you have to do with the BP swap into a 3rd gen as the BP undercarriage is totally different than the fs and has 2 rear mounting points amongst other differences etc.
wait a minute if the fe3 has the same pattern as the fsde, and people already make adaptor plates for FE3 to the TOYOTA E-153, then that means FSDE guys can run one of the toughest FWD transmissions around for next to nothing as a Toyota E-153 costs around $500 and wont break. only bad part is that you would still need toyota axles, wider wheelbase, shifter and cables etc. its a whole drivetrain conversion.
only difference it costs next to nothing compared to building the FSDE trans which we all know is very expensive and will just keep breaking over and over. Not to mention changing the fluid on the PAR gears every oil changes lol
oh man, I would be sooooo pissed if I just paid to have a built fsde trans lol
maybe its time to forget 2.2t transmission swaps and get on the E153 bandwagon
for the e153 you need
FWD E153 Trans
wider wheelbase. I believe you can use MX3 Lower Control arms or 1st gen control arms with rx7 balljoints.
shifter
cables for shifter
hybrid axles (MR2 and celica all trac)
custom engine mounts
LSD if you like spinning both wheels or accelerating while turning.
the adaptor plate that mates FE3 to E153 (or in this case FSDE to E153)
Slim fan
nowhere near plug and play but if you have the proper tools and time to do the work its Not too bad considering it wont break. Im sure someone could also find out how the issue with the flywheel/clutch would be sorted as there is a chance the combo used would be different than the bp to e153 combo. there are guys running them. just interweb stalk them until they give you the info.
here is a how to for the e153 to a Escort GT (same as 1st gen protege)
http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45016
it would be very similar except you would be using the fsde with adaptor to e153 instead of the bp with adaptor to e153.
there are a few guys with the plates e153 to fe3. just send them $10 for a outline of the adaptor plate. I think there is also a guy doing a possible group buy on e153 to fe3 plates.
thats enough typing for today
only difference it costs next to nothing compared to building the FSDE trans which we all know is very expensive and will just keep breaking over and over. Not to mention changing the fluid on the PAR gears every oil changes lol
oh man, I would be sooooo pissed if I just paid to have a built fsde trans lol
maybe its time to forget 2.2t transmission swaps and get on the E153 bandwagon
for the e153 you need
FWD E153 Trans
wider wheelbase. I believe you can use MX3 Lower Control arms or 1st gen control arms with rx7 balljoints.
shifter
cables for shifter
hybrid axles (MR2 and celica all trac)
custom engine mounts
LSD if you like spinning both wheels or accelerating while turning.
the adaptor plate that mates FE3 to E153 (or in this case FSDE to E153)
Slim fan
nowhere near plug and play but if you have the proper tools and time to do the work its Not too bad considering it wont break. Im sure someone could also find out how the issue with the flywheel/clutch would be sorted as there is a chance the combo used would be different than the bp to e153 combo. there are guys running them. just interweb stalk them until they give you the info.
here is a how to for the e153 to a Escort GT (same as 1st gen protege)
http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45016
it would be very similar except you would be using the fsde with adaptor to e153 instead of the bp with adaptor to e153.
there are a few guys with the plates e153 to fe3. just send them $10 for a outline of the adaptor plate. I think there is also a guy doing a possible group buy on e153 to fe3 plates.
thats enough typing for today
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Keep in mind we already have the wider wheelbase that the mx3 has, takes another thing out of the equation. FE3+E153 trans in a MSP would be a bulletproof build to 400 whp.
SeR_Cyclops
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wait a minute if the fe3 has the same pattern as the fsde, and people already make adaptor plates for FE3 to the TOYOTA E-153, then that means FSDE guys can run one of the toughest FWD transmissions around for next to nothing as a Toyota E-153 costs around $500 and wont break. only bad part is that you would still need toyota axles, wider wheelbase, shifter and cables etc. its a whole drivetrain conversion.
only difference it costs next to nothing compared to building the FSDE trans which we all know is very expensive and will just keep breaking over and over. Not to mention changing the fluid on the PAR gears every oil changes lol
oh man, I would be sooooo pissed if I just paid to have a built fsde trans lol
maybe its time to forget 2.2t transmission swaps and get on the E153 bandwagon
for the e153 you need
FWD E153 Trans
wider wheelbase. I believe you can use MX3 Lower Control arms or 1st gen control arms with rx7 balljoints.
shifter
cables for shifter
hybrid axles (MR2 and celica all trac)
custom engine mounts
LSD if you like spinning both wheels or accelerating while turning.
the adaptor plate that mates FE3 to E153 (or in this case FSDE to E153)
Slim fan
nowhere near plug and play but if you have the proper tools and time to do the work its Not too bad considering it wont break. Im sure someone could also find out how the issue with the flywheel/clutch would be sorted as there is a chance the combo used would be different than the bp to e153 combo. there are guys running them. just interweb stalk them until they give you the info.
here is a how to for the e153 to a Escort GT (same as 1st gen protege)
http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45016
it would be very similar except you would be using the fsde with adaptor to e153 instead of the bp with adaptor to e153.
there are a few guys with the plates e153 to fe3. just send them $10 for a outline of the adaptor plate. I think there is also a guy doing a possible group buy on e153 to fe3 plates.
thats enough typing for today
What are gear ratios of that toyo tranny ?
Ricktalife
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Now we are getting somewhere :O
really eh? thats good to know.The EGT drivetrain I swapped in fit so well I could have sworn the wheelbase was the same as I was able to torque the axle nuts pretty good without pulling the axles out from the trans so I thought I was gonna have to buy MX3 LCAs for my toyota setup when I swapped over to the new gtr/toyota setup.
so ya good news for FSDE owners. 2 new trans swap possibilities both of which are inexpensive if you are able to do the fab work yourself.
what a good thread. where was this when I still had a fsde lol
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thecrash91
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sub a dub dubbb
for anyone who wants an adaptor, the guy to harass is "rally-gtx" on clubprotege.com
he makes a lightweight version too. below is the bp/e153 version. I dont know if he has any FE3 / FSDE plates made, but Im sure if you asked enough and got some people interested in a GB he would make more
he makes a lightweight version too. below is the bp/e153 version. I dont know if he has any FE3 / FSDE plates made, but Im sure if you asked enough and got some people interested in a GB he would make more
