Thats what I thought! Thanks man. Now that the main question is out of the way, I understand that the majority of the headers for the 3 eliminate the primary catalytic converter. I would just as soon keep the cat, and avoid the CEL and driveabilty issues. Was there ever a catted pipe commercialy available or did folks just get a high flow cat and DIY it? WV doesn't perform emission tests, so don't really care about that part of it, but don't want to start monkeying with the way the car has been programmed to run in regard to there being a catalytic converter. Also , are these headers designed to be bolted to the remainder of the stock exhaust system, or am i lookiing at more custom fabrication?