California Exhaust Law has changed- for the worst

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Coulda left "California" off of the article and everyone would have just assumed it was California lol.
 
I thought this was going to be about emissions. It's more about modified exhaust systems that are more than 95 dbl. Hell, I'm for it. Less of these kids driving round in 1998 Honda Civics with fart can mufflers that are loud as hell.
 
Very much for the better. Any law that illegalises raising exhaust noise by one decibel on anything other than a race track is fine by me. I*d support it with very strong penalties and can*t wait for it to come to the UK.
 
Hopefully, this will apply to motorcycles (damn Harleys!) as well.

Agreed. Last month around 2am some "street racers" woke me up with how loud their cars were, and there have definitely been the occasional motorcycle.
 
Very much for the better. Any law that illegalises raising exhaust noise by one decibel on anything other than a race track is fine by me. I*d support it with very strong penalties and can*t wait for it to come to the UK.

As for the UK, I for one would not wish any more laws than are already on the books for you Brits!(cheers)
 
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Certainly not.
My SIL had a 6 cyl merc petrol that sounded great on full acceleration, it had a switch or something that he could switch on to increase volume.

It sounded sweet not like the boy racer with their pathetic engines with horrible sounding exhaust notes, all noise and no speed.
 
Certainly not.
My SIL had a 6 cyl merc petrol that sounded great on full acceleration, it had a switch or something that he could switch on to increase volume.

It sounded sweet not like the boy racer with their pathetic engines with horrible sounding exhaust notes, all noise and no speed.

Probably an electric cutout plumbed into the exhaust piping, somewhere between the catalytic converter and the muffler(s). Usually when the cutout is open, the majority of the exhaust flows through the cutout, giving you a "straight-pipe" sound. When it's closed, the exhaust flows as it normally would through the mufflers.

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Loud pipes save lives!!!!


(Kidding, totally with you guys)
 
It*s not just the noise. Very often when they mod these exhausts, the cut out the converters which means they are polluting more than they should. No chance of catching them now, there*s only a handful of traffic cops in each county.
 
Guys remember this is America our government is pretty large as is...The more this type of legislation is championed the closer we come to a full on socialist pile. 30-35 years ago the USSR, our biggest rival and its countries were failing.. people were fleeing (or trying at risk of life) those systems in droves. We can make fun of The Socialist Republic of California all we want, but just like the cancer warning they place on everything sold in that state, it can spread throughout the country. I mean they tried to enact a Tax on text messaging.. come on. Ridiculous socialism is the norm there...and their high cost (but not necessarily superior) of living reflects it. You think it's a good idea until some law maker enacts something that increases your cost of living or reduces your quality of life. The law reflects the actions of few onto the entire population in a effort to control the few, like many other hot topic legislations. Guns being an example, which mostly affect the legal/law abiding gun owners, not the illegal ones who commit the majority of these gun crimes. But hey, anything for extra tax dollars is a win for Cali lawmakers. People never look at the big picture of these laws, they only look at the topic itself. Next one could say that having aftermarket suspension is illegal, which may sound normal to some of our Euro/Commonwealth friends, but is not how we do things in North America. These types of laws keep coming until they affect your life more and more and you have no choice but to pay into them/abide by them.

Cali was a fun place to live, but as an adult the cost of living is not justified by anything that they have to offer.. and I get free tuition at an UC or State college there as a California veteran.. I'm living in Texas and attending uni here instead lol.

I found this to make "95db" a little more tangible

Boeing 737 or DC-9 aircraft at one nautical mile (6080 ft) before landing (97 dB); power mower (96 dB); motorcycle at 25 ft (90 dB). Newspaper press (97 dB).
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4 times as loud as 70 dB. Likely damage in 8 hour exposure.

http://www.industrialnoisecontrol.com/comparative-noise-examples.htm

So, someone can get tickets for having an exhaust that doesn't even exceed 95db simply because it's modified. That's pretty jacked.

You want some heavy automotive regulation, go look at Australia.

Here is a popular meme (picture varies) going around automotive pages/forums right now Regardless what you think about gender changing, the point being that you can legally put non binary (I wonder how many people of the Cali population intend to do this) on a DL or a birth certificate but the muffler can get you a citation. Another one is "You can be illegal, but you can't change your muffler". There are many more. And they all have their ramifications. It goes back to what I said a few lines up about quality/cost of living for everyone, based on the actions of a few.


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What might seem like a cool sound to you Chris doesnt necessarily to the majority of adult members of the public who are entitled to some piece and quiet. Im surrounded by overgrown kids with big bore exhausts who do not have one ounce of consideration for anybody else as long as their antics satisfy their own need to be noticed. Its not about the politics, its about the fact that manufacturers spend millions on development of exhaust systems so that cars have less of an impact on the public and the environment. You dont like it because your car violates virtually every aspect of the legislation it once confirmed to. What you do is up to you as long as you dont hurt or interfere with anybody else but while modifying the suspension doesnt have a direct effect unless you lose control of the car, items such as noise, emissions and to an increasing extent, lights, do. If the law tightens up it is for the good of the majority Im afraid.
 
I wish there was a "like" button. I'm also sick of hearing fart bikes and cars. There's a car that passes the house at 5.00 in the morning everyday waking me up, all fart noise and no action. To make it worse it also has a dump valve for the turbo so as well as making a loud fart noise it also wheezes it's way up the street and..........it's a 10 year old Honda Civic.(crazy)
 
What might seem like a cool sound to you Chris doesn*t necessarily to the majority of adult members of the public who are entitled to some piece and quiet. I*m surrounded by overgrown kids with big bore exhausts who do not have one ounce of consideration for anybody else as long as their antics satisfy their own need to be noticed. It*s not about the politics, it*s about the fact that manufacturers spend millions on development of exhaust systems so that cars have less of an impact on the public and the environment. You don*t like it because your car violates virtually every aspect of the legislation it once confirmed to. What you do is up to you as long as you don*t hurt or interfere with anybody else but while modifying the suspension doesn*t have a direct effect unless you lose control of the car, items such as noise, emissions and to an increasing extent, lights, do. If the law tightens up it is for the good of the majority I*m afraid.

My car would not fall into the ban as I haven't touched any emission control on my exhaust system.
California has this thing called "CARB" which is basically there own Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Vehicles have to be emissions certified there specifically to even be sold there (CX-5 Diesel hurdle). Any change on the emission system automatically would make it non compliant, as well a certain engine modification (such as turbo or supercharger kit) has to be CARB certified ($$$$) to be technically legal. The issue is that previously, one could get a "fix it ticket" if a modification was deemed illegal. The fine would be removed once the car was made complaint before a certain time. here is the outrage though:

Now the rule is an officer can cite a $1000USD fine simply for "being to loud", based on a vehicle has a visibly aftermarket exhaust or visa versa. That's $1000 hard fine when it used to be a correctable fine. The aim is to be able to fine vehicles participating in "sideshows", car meets, street racing etc easily by making them easy to target, but it also affects people who aren't shutting down street/highways/businesses etc. So a regular car enthusiast who isn't doing burnouts at meets or revving through his neighborhood at night gets fined in the same manner as the guy who is an actual nuisance. Also, now that the cop has pulled you over with probable cause, you are opened up to any other investigation he/she feels is probable.


This type of legislation isn't going to prevent those choice people, who *choose* to be uncourteous from zooming by a house at 5AM being loud on purpose anymore than having anti marijuana laws (which also vary state to state, like these exhaust laws/emissions testing) will keep people from buying, using, growing and distributing it. However it goes give the police a valid reason to tax the inoffensive citizen, in the same way people using weed for their own health/recreation can be.
Anyone can turn their radio up and blast it loudly (stock or aftermarket) as they pass through neighborhoods at night, however most decent people choose not to. People who don't care will blast it on purpose.

I would also like to point out that this law which was an amendment to an existing muffler/sound requirement got rid of the correctable part (fix it ticket). It was NOT vote extended to the population, but rather lawmakers who decide what's best for the people (of course revenue for the government is good for the people from a career politician ). 78 yes votes.

Just because the majority votes on something doesn't mean it's good or properly motivated, or even experienced by the voters (likely just a vicarious experience). It might just "sound good". History show us many examples of this.

The majority of this town council in Radstock, England voted to not fly the St. George flag as it may offend the (16) muslims living in the town.. I couldn't imagine a town in the USA voting to not fly the Stars and Stripes because it would offend a foreign group living within. But that's exactly what happened. I'm sure it "sounded good" to the majority of the council (not the voting population). I wonder what kind of message this sends to the to those wishing to further their own agendas. For California, more revenue.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...laiming-offensive-Muslims-links-Crusades.html

It must be different in the UK because in the US, laws "tightening up" tend to garner a lot of opposition due to the ever increasing oversight/pocket reaching and wasteful spending that occurs. And you'd really have to live here to understand the legislation situation that goes on in California (whether you agree with the comparatively numeruous laws they enact/propose or not).
 
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