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    I watched a couple of the Rav4 Prime premier videos. So far I am kind of liking it inside, outside and performance wise. I will just need to see what pricing will end up at. Redline review was guessing $45K.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seminole View Post
    This is false. The Prime is sold in all 50 states. It's not as widely available as the regular Prius however and most of the inventory is concentrated on the west and east coasts, but a quick search shows 6 new Primes for sale within 100 miles of Dallas. https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...&firstRecord=0
    Thanks for the info. At least thereís hope we can get RAV4 Prime in our area. When friend in San Jose got his Prius Prime 3 years ago, he said the plug-in hybrid model is only available in California. Earlier this year when I went to the Toyota dealer near me and test-drove a new RAV4, the salesman still said the Prius Prime is not available. By the list you provided, the Toyota dealers near me still have 0 Prius Prime available. With gas price here in Texas about a half of the price in California, the EV、PHEV、and regular hybrid are not that popular and Toyota dealers in our area would be reluctant to order Prius Prime PHEV for their inventory.

    Your description on peak power is similar to mine. The power from electrical motor will always be there, and the ICE power is there if needed or can be forced. Hence as long as the RAV4 Prime is in normal hybrid mode, 5.8 seconds 0-60 should always be there.

    Since most of houses in Bay Area are 40~80 years old, adding the hook-up wiring to the garage can be expensive. $200 is the best case scenario that you have 230v power source near by, and your electrical meter and circuit breaker penal are big enough to handle the bigger current required for charging the EV or PHEV. The friend who bought the Prius Prime refused a $2,000 charge for digging up the drive way to lay down a new electrical wires for charging his Prius, but use a very long extension cord hooking up to a 230V charging station far away near the circuit breaker penal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcrout7992 View Post
    It looks like we have identical CX-5's. Are you also in the market for a replacement?
    I'm not really sure. I'd like to replace the CX-5, but the wife drives it and she doesn't care about cars and is perfectly happy. I haven't been happy with the second gen CX-5 and wish I kept my first gen. My wife took the CX when her old lease was up and I went to an Accord Hybrid and while I like the Accord I do miss having the utility of an SUV. So with the options coming out now in the SUV world for hybrids/phev/ev I might consider making a switch.

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    I*m curious what the overall efficiency of the RAV4 prime will be when heating and cooling are factored in. Obviously different areas of the country will have varying cost of operation. I like the idea of owning an electric or hybrid car but I would first want to have an idea of the payback on the added cost for my location and amount of miles driven per year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felt_Rider View Post
    I watched a couple of the Rav4 Prime premier videos. So far I am kind of liking it inside, outside and performance wise. I will just need to see what pricing will end up at. Redline review was guessing $45K.
    45K with about 5K in Federal tax rebates. I doubt Toyota will need to give any incentives besides 200-500 dollars. There will be a wait list for this.
    Still 40K new is a bad deal when a lot of plug ins are available in the slightly used market if you don't need a crossover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JT2 View Post
    I*m curious what the overall efficiency of the RAV4 prime will be when heating and cooling are factored in. Obviously different areas of the country will have varying cost of operation. I like the idea of owning an electric or hybrid car but I would first want to have an idea of the payback on the added cost for my location and amount of miles driven per year.
    As long as you have an engine, a 2.5L with industry-leading 41% thermal efficiency on RAV4 Prime, you really donít have to worry about using the heating and cooling like the EV does. With current gas price $3.29 / gal. in California, itíd take many years to recoup the additional cost on a normal hybrid. But plug-in hybrid is a totally different story. The electricity used to charge the PHEV is much cheaper. And PG&E in Bay Area also gives 50% off overnight to the customers if you meet certain requirements charging the EV. PHEV offers the best of both worlds. You donít need to worry about the driving range and long charging time limited by the EV, and still PHEV gives you excellent gas mileage. Gas saving on Prius Prime plug-in hybrid is real. Friendís 2017 Prius Prime plug-in hybrid has only stopped at the gas station ONCE for 9 gallons of gas in his 3+ years of ownership!

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    Quote Originally Posted by yrwei52 View Post
    As long as you have an engine, a 2.5L with industry-leading 41% thermal efficiency on RAV4 Prime, you really don*t have to worry about using the heating and cooling like the EV does. With current gas price $3.29 / gal. in California, it*d take many years to recoup the additional cost on a normal hybrid. But plug-in hybrid is a totally different story. The electricity used to charge the PHEV is much cheaper. And PG&E in Bay Area also gives 50% off overnight to the customers if you meet certain requirements charging the EV. PHEV offers the best of both worlds. You don*t need to worry about the driving range and long charging time limited by the EV, and still PHEV gives you excellent gas mileage. Gas saving on Prius Prime plug-in hybrid is real. Friend*s 2017 Prius Prime plug-in hybrid has only stopped at the gas station ONCE for 9 gallons of gas in his 3+ years of ownership!
    Pure EVs might be the future but the charging network really needs to expand. These could be great in the meantime.

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    This looks like fun.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate View Post
    This looks like fun.

    Ha, must be somewhere on I-5 in California. No such problem for a PHEV!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaps View Post
    45K with about 5K in Federal tax rebates. I doubt Toyota will need to give any incentives besides 200-500 dollars. There will be a wait list for this.
    Still 40K new is a bad deal when a lot of plug ins are available in the slightly used market if you don't need a crossover.
    I have some other struggles and hurdles for EV, such as, where I park in the driveway and would have to hire an electrician to upgrade for proper charging. I am still about two years out from getting another vehicle and my #1 top car on my current list is a lightly used Porsche Macan S because it just is. :-) The CX-5T is still high up on the list, but with two years still to go no telling what may be on the market. IMO - I feel like Mazda needs to improve some things on the CX-5 and hopefully they will over the next couple of years. Meanwhile, I am lurking at this forum checking out the comments - pro and con.
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    As long as thereís no break through on battery range and charging time, an EV simply canít be a good vehicle for long road trip. PHEV is the way to go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by yrwei52 View Post
    As long as there*s no break through on battery range and charging time, an EV simply can*t be a good vehicle for long road trip. PHEV is the way to go!
    This, 100%. I will never buy a PEV, and the reason is the roads here. If I slide off the road in a snow storm, I could be there for hours. no PEV is going to handle HVAC for that long in sub-zero temps. In a PHEV, you could just chill out as long as you keep the tail-pipe clear of snow, etc.

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