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    Quote Originally Posted by Avoidin Deer View Post
    I think battery disposal and the pollution caused by electricity generating are a big part of the "just as bad" equation.

    I have not seen an honest comparison, and don't anticipate that ever happening. Hyperbole seems to always drown out facts.
    Yeah, there can't be an honest [or valid] comparison because there are to many variables, too many externalities, and people have too many conflicts of interest.

    Ultimately, they're both "bad". The number of ICE vs electric vehicles isn't going to make much difference in the long run, or the short run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sm1ke View Post
    That's a very roundabout way of saying "Yes, I do like telling people they're wrong."

    I guess I should clarify - I don't mind being told that I'm wrong, especially when provided with evidence that I am indeed wrong. I keep an open mind about most things. I just asked the question because you felt the need to wag your finger at me after I had already admitted that I was wrong. Carry on.
    Wrong again, Dr. Freud. Actually, it pains me. If I enjoyed it, I could spend 24 hrs a day doing it. But this was a special case. If you can get past your defensiveness, you may see that.

    No need to clarify. I see where you're coming from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unobtanium View Post
    You can do that with a non-electric car, as well.
    Hi Unob

    I don't know of any ICE car on the UK market in which you can do that. It seems to be a more convenient way of warming up an electric car as opposed to an ICE car. In the UK it's illegal to have a car with the engine running and unattended. TBH I wouldn't feel comfortable in doing that as you don't know what lowlife is watching. Anyway we won't have any choice after 2040 as there will be a ban on the sale of ICE cars in the UK then.
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    I leased a Chevy Volt for three years. It was a great car. Electric with a gas engine if the battery died. I could make the round trip to work on a full charge, so I never routinely bought gas (really). MPG was about 200 (Really). I changed the oil once in 50,000 miles. The only other maintenance during my ownership was a set of tires. Brakes would probably last for near the life of the car.
    The car was quick enough, not a rocket, but okay. Instant torque and silent operation were cool features. My biggest gripe was that it was not that comfortable and new batteries were going to be about $10K. That's why I leased. I needed a bigger vehicle, so I moved on when the lease was up.

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    I read a good bit of this thread, but if I missed the preemptive strike solution, sue me. You can treat your windows with Rainex, it seems to prevent any frost from sheet formation. I believe it will only form in dots on the windshield. Another thing that is possible is to put a sheet of plastic on the windshield, held in place by magnets or shut off your car while wipers are midway on the windshield and place the plastic sheet under the wipers. I did see the mixture alcohol/water solution, Home Depot sells good empty spray bottles in the cleaning section of the store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimN696 View Post
    I leased a Chevy Volt for three years. It was a great car. Electric with a gas engine if the battery died. I could make the round trip to work on a full charge, so I never routinely bought gas (really). MPG was about 200 (Really). I changed the oil once in 50,000 miles. The only other maintenance during my ownership was a set of tires. Brakes would probably last for near the life of the car.
    The car was quick enough, not a rocket, but okay. Instant torque and silent operation were cool features. My biggest gripe was that it was not that comfortable and new batteries were going to be about $10K. That's why I leased. I needed a bigger vehicle, so I moved on when the lease was up.
    My buddy has a Toyota hybrid and he mentioned the high cost of battery replacement as well. Wonder when you have to replace them within the year/mileage life of the car?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoradoDriver View Post
    My buddy has a Toyota hybrid and he mentioned the high cost of battery replacement as well. Wonder when you have to replace them within the year/mileage life of the car?
    Manufacturers are now quoting 7 years 100,000 miles warranty on batteries so that means the batteries will comfortably last that long and probably longer. Tesla quote 8 years/100,000 or 120,000 miles depending on model. I presume that as battery technology improves, reliability will increase as well. The electric car industry is in it's infancy as opposed to internal combustion engines which have evolved and developed over the last 100 years.
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    In the present, it is matter of economics. In the case of my Volt, the battery would last about 100K miles. So now you have a seven or eight year old car with a used car value of maybe $10,000, that may need a $10,000 repair. It would be a hard sell on the used car market. Without the battery, the car is worthless. With a new battery, it has a value about the cost of the repair, so the car is worth nothing. Yes, you can buy a salvage battery or rebuilt battery for less, but I think you would still be underwater. And yes, I know cars are horrible investments, but this situation is downright ridiculous.

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    Yeesh...well no way I'm onboard for that shit. I'm at 87k miles now on mine. No way I have $10k in repairs coming any time soon. *knock on wood*
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimN696 View Post
    In the present, it is matter of economics. In the case of my Volt, the battery would last about 100K miles. So now you have a seven or eight year old car with a used car value of maybe $10,000, that may need a $10,000 repair. It would be a hard sell on the used car market. Without the battery, the car is worthless. With a new battery, it has a value about the cost of the repair, so the car is worth nothing. Yes, you can buy a salvage battery or rebuilt battery for less, but I think you would still be underwater. And yes, I know cars are horrible investments, but this situation is downright ridiculous.
    I think that this is a big part of the reasoning behind Toyota extending the warranty on their batteries to 150k. They really have no reason to as there are plenty of Priuses (Prii?) out there racking up miles as vehicles-for-hire, but they're doing it anyway to reinforce the brand's strength in reliability to the consumer.

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    These cars don’t make much beat at all. Not the greatest in the really cold weather we had here last winter.

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