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    2020 CR-V Hybrid

    Honda just announced the hybrid for the US: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/am...c=socialflowTW

    What will Mazda do to compete with it? I don't think the diesel was the answer.

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    Since Mazda has never really been focused on high fuel mileage, I expect they will do little or nothing to counter Honda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcardoza View Post
    Since Mazda has never really been focused on high fuel mileage, I expect they will do little or nothing to counter Honda.
    If they keep doing what they're doing, their demise may come sooner than later. Let's hope the Mazda/Toyota partnership changes that.

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    IIRC, Mazda has a sharing agreement with Toyota.

    Regardless, they will do something sooner or later.

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    Crazy, that 1.5T was already getting great gas mileage. I wonder what the MPG will be with the hybrid now...

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    I believe they will have some form of hybrid out of the Toyota partnership. Who knows though.
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    So... they’re taking an engine that already has known oil dilution issues, and putting it in an application where it’s even less likely to ever get up to full operating temperature?

    Yeah...

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    Quote Originally Posted by leeharvey418 View Post
    So... they*re taking an engine that already has known oil dilution issues, and putting it in an application where it*s even less likely to ever get up to full operating temperature?

    Yeah...
    Yeah, and even less heat in the vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leeharvey418 View Post
    So... they*re taking an engine that already has known oil dilution issues, and putting it in an application where it*s even less likely to ever get up to full operating temperature?

    Yeah...
    Larger displacement at 2.0 so it should heat up quicker. Haven't heard of isues with Accord hybrid system. This CRV Hybrid is probably tops on our list now for 2021.

    Mazda's response needs to be a 2.5 Skyactiv-X with 215 HP and may not match mpg figures but MUST be cheaper MSRP. Better yet 2.0 Skyactiv-X Turbo at 220HP.

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    Updated CRV looks nice with some exterior/interior upgrades. Can't stand that fake wood trim around the console. I guess it might appeal to older people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcardoza View Post
    Since Mazda has never really been focused on high fuel mileage, I expect they will do little or nothing to counter Honda.
    What? Mazda's advertising was highest mpg by a non hybrid system when 2.0 Sky G was released. Gen1 was in both 2.0 and 2.5L really fuel efficient. Gen2 is where mpgs went worse than Gen1. Now the 2019 Mazda 3 is 27 city and 35 highway which is worse than Accord / Camry which are a size larger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leeharvey418 View Post
    So... they*re taking an engine that already has known oil dilution issues, and putting it in an application where it*s even less likely to ever get up to full operating temperature?

    Yeah...
    CRV hybrid is going to have same drivetrain as Accord hybrid which does not use 1.5T. It uses a 40% thermally efficient 2 liter NA engine and it does not have a transmission in true sense. Upto 44 mph it will be a direct drive as an EV with battery or engine acting as a generator. Above 44 it will be directly coupled to the engine or running on battery (if situations allow).
    1.5T will replace the old 2.4 as standard engine available in base model form. Honda has a very sketchy past with its IMA system having a large number of failures. Think old ILX and Civic Hybrids which had 15% failure rate on batteries. But this and the new Insight are based on 2014-16 Accord Hybrid drivetrain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaps View Post
    CRV hybrid is going to have same drivetrain as Accord hybrid which does not use 1.5T. It uses a 40% thermally efficient 2 liter NA engine and it does not have a transmission in true sense. Upto 44 mph it will be a direct drive as an EV with battery or engine acting as a generator. Above 44 it will be directly coupled to the engine or running on battery (if situations allow).
    1.5T will replace the old 2.4 as standard engine available in base model form. Honda has a very sketchy past with its IMA system having a large number of failures. Think old ILX and Civic Hybrids which had 15% failure rate on batteries. But this and the new Insight are based on 2014-16 Accord Hybrid drivetrain.
    The 2.0 engine in Honda's hybrid system also isn't direct injected like the 1.5T. It uses port injection so there should be little to no issue with oil dilution or carbon buildup.

    I'm more curious as to how they're going to implement AWD. I think it'll probably be a mechanical connection to the back wheels but I do like Toyota's solution of electric motors driving the back wheels for the better torque off the line. Off-road performance suffers but I don't care about that at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CX-5um View Post
    Larger displacement at 2.0 so it should heat up quicker. Haven't heard of isues with Accord hybrid system. This CRV Hybrid is probably tops on our list now for 2021.

    Mazda's response needs to be a 2.5 Skyactiv-X with 215 HP and may not match mpg figures but MUST be cheaper MSRP. Better yet 2.0 Skyactiv-X Turbo at 220HP.
    Why do that. Mazda's MO these days is "but we're a legitimate luxury brand, honest!!!!111!"
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