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    Quote Originally Posted by 7eregrine View Post
    Data from any publication over the past few years would disagree with that. JD Power, CR, True Delta even.
    Yea American cars were disposable in the 80s and 90s and they got their clocks cleaned. They recognized that and started building better cars.
    This myth that today they are garbage and unreliable is 80% a hold over from the past.
    Well, let's see....According to the December, 2018 edition of Consumer Reports magazine on auto brand reliability rankings with #1 as most reliable and #29 as least reliable.....

    Chevrolet: #23

    Ford: #18

    Chrysler: #24

    GMC: #25

    Tesla: #27

    Cadillac: #28


    Mazda: #3

    So no, there is still no comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7eregrine View Post
    Data from any publication over the past few years would disagree with that. JD Power, CR, True Delta even.
    Yea American cars were disposable in the 80s and 90s and they got their clocks cleaned. They recognized that and started building better cars.
    This myth that today they are garbage and unreliable is 80% a hold over from the past.
    They've got a ways to go still. My buddy's Chrvy Cruz was an absolute piece of junk and he got rid of it as soon as he could.
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    A ranking of brands can never capture the jewels and lemons in every brand portfolio. And, though I own and enjoy several Japanese brand cars they have produced (yes Toyota and Honda too) their share of lemons. Years of Toyota's with oil sludge issues in the 4 cylinder they used across their portfolio. Honda transmission problems and now the oil dilution debacle that impacts many of their models including the CRV. Subaru continues to struggle with head gaskets and oil consumption.
    My point: They all break and the consumer reports rankings are not the whole story.

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    Agree. Everyone has a story about someone that had x or y brand that was a lemon and someone else will refute that.
    Every brand... Except Jeep... Is a tiny percentage point from the next.

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    I don't really trust Consumer Reports ratings of new vehicles. For models that are 5+ years old, they've collected enough data to make a reasonably objective rating. But for new vehicles, there's little or no data and their ratings are based on brand image and editorial biases. There's also something incestuous (for lack of a better word) about CR ratings because they are derived from the reports of subscribers who are influenced by the ratings. So if they consistently rate Toyota highly, they cultivate a positive brand image for Toyota among their subscribers, making it more likely for CR subscribers to buy Toyota and report favorably on it. And people who have had issues with Toyota are less likely to subscribe and report, and more likely to dismiss their problems as one-off or isolated. The opposite happens for brands they consistently rate poorly. For example, I remember back in the late 1990s & early 2000s they used to give VW and Audi high ratings. But everybody I knew who owned one of that vintage (wife, father, multiple friends, and multiple coworkers) had numerous problems. It took several years for CR to adjust their ratings for those model years down. Likewise, CR kept up high ratings of the Honda Odyssey for years while people suffered with systemic transmission failures and cylinder deactivation problems. They eventually did bring their ratings of the Odyssey down, but way too late.

    My extended family and friends have had mixed luck with GM, mostly trucks and SUVs. They were pretty horrible back in the 80s and 90s, but much better recently. On the other hand, we've all had very good experiences with Ford. With any brand and model, there will always be some owners with problems and some without. The only things I won't buy are Jeeps and German cars.

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