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    Quote Originally Posted by jmhumr View Post
    FWIW the CX-5 compares well to the luxury brands in terms of quietness. You can find measurements online.

    Everyone likes to start comparing value to Audi, Mercedes, and BMW when cars like the CX-5 reach the $38k range, but there*s still a huge price gap. I get it, because I*m the typical fringe luxury buyer. However, while I*d love to own a new style Q5, it*s really not that financially close when you consider the overall cost of ownership of a German car and how loaded the CX-5 Sig will be in comparison to a *base* CPO 2018+ Q5. I*ve tried to rationalize an Audi or Mercedes purchase and the numbers just never work out. Mazda, even with the higher pricing, is hands down the best mix of looks and value for a crossover.
    Mazda6 Wagon is routinely compared with Merc in EU. CX-5 and price tag alone might look like a problem. But lets see what Mazda has in terms of features.
    Full safety tech / cooled seats / folding mirrors / 360 camera / Integrated HUD / Sen wood / Nappa Leather for 36K is really good. People who are balking at this price tag are probably not the target audience for this trim. People hunting alternatives from an already lux brand might not blink an eye at this price. An entry level NX is 35-36K. CPO Lexus is probably 31-32K.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmhumr View Post
    FWIW the CX-5 compares well to the luxury brands in terms of quietness. You can find measurements online.
    Mazda has come a long way for quietness inside the vehicle, however when compared to my daily driven 2005 Volvo S60, I am not sure if they are at the same level or not. From my 20 minutes test drive in the 2018 CX-5 GT it did not seem that it is more quiet. But that just my short test drive. Anyone has had other cars that feel it is more or less quiet compared to the CX-5? My wife's 2008 RX350 does feel a little more noisy with winter tires on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surcobra View Post
    Mazda has come a long way for quietness inside the vehicle, however when compared to my daily driven 2005 Volvo S60, I am not sure if they are at the same level or not. From my 20 minutes test drive in the 2018 CX-5 GT it did not seem that it is more quiet. But that just my short test drive. Anyone has had other cars that feel it is more or less quiet compared to the CX-5? My wife's 2008 RX350 does feel a little more noisy with winter tires on.
    Sound is ALL about perception. I presume you're not 5 years old, so you've lived a life of damage, from loud radio, to rock concerts, maybe to a deployment in Afghanistan. Your hearing will be different from your wife, your nephew, your uncle. It's impossible for a person vs. person to compare things like "car noise" when they are so objectively close (65 vs. 66dB) because those peak impulses occur at different frequencies. Your hearing may suffer in higher frequencies, so a car making 70dB at a higher frequency than one making 67dB at a lower frequency might actually sound quieter to you. Put your 8 year old kid in the cars, and he will become frustrated with your analysis. So, OBJECTIVE is the only way we can honestly talk about these things, unless we want to spin it as a personal preference for a certain vehicle, and then, it's got to be understood as such.

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    Car and Driver had the current CX-5 at 65db on the highway (compared to 69 db on the 1st gen). Their words were "luxury-like" (https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...wd-test-review)

    The Mercedes E43 with the acoustic package came in at 63db while the new Audi A7 clocked in at 66db as well (https://hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/fi...1541517622.pdf)

    Other new cars they recently tested:
    - WRX STI Type RA: 73db
    - 911 GT3 Touring: 80db
    - Nissan Altima: 70db
    - Audi RS5 Coupe: 69db
    - Honda Accord 2.0T: 70db

    Sound level is not the same thing as sound quality though but 65db is still very low - even if they're off by a couple db (eg. tested on different road surface) it's still highly competitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unobtanium View Post
    Sound is ALL about perception. I presume you're not 5 years old, so you've lived a life of damage, from loud radio, to rock concerts, maybe to a deployment in Afghanistan. Your hearing will be different from your wife, your nephew, your uncle. It's impossible for a person vs. person to compare things like "car noise" when they are so objectively close (65 vs. 66dB) because those peak impulses occur at different frequencies. Your hearing may suffer in higher frequencies, so a car making 70dB at a higher frequency than one making 67dB at a lower frequency might actually sound quieter to you. Put your 8 year old kid in the cars, and he will become frustrated with your analysis. So, OBJECTIVE is the only way we can honestly talk about these things, unless we want to spin it as a personal preference for a certain vehicle, and then, it's got to be understood as such.
    Having grown up driving soft top Jeeps, my 2014 CX-5 road noise to me is like "meh". Don't even notice unless actively thinking about it (rare). But even then...meh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoradoDriver View Post
    Having grown up driving soft top Jeeps, my 2014 CX-5 road noise to me is like "meh". Don't even notice unless actively thinking about it (rare). But even then...meh.
    Yeah, but it was one of the biggest negatives against the CX-5. Mazda has really addressed it and now their vehicles are some of the quietest on the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougal View Post
    Yeah, but it was one of the biggest negatives against the CX-5. Mazda has really addressed it and now their vehicles are some of the quietest on the market.
    Yeah the older I get the less I want to tolerate road noise. Thatís the main reason I traded in my 2014 3 HB so early into the lease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by banjos-n-beer View Post
    Yeah the older I get the less I want to tolerate road noise. That*s the main reason I traded in my 2014 3 HB so early into the lease.
    My Jeep is what did it for me. I'd always owned sports cars. First road trip I took in my Jeep, I arrived feeling just fine. head wasn't stuffed full of cotton from the exhaust and road noise, etc. etc. and I was like "wow! this is kindof nice..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougal View Post
    Yeah, but it was one of the biggest negatives against the CX-5. Mazda has really addressed it and now their vehicles are some of the quietest on the market.
    No doubt. I am more or less commenting about differing perspectives. I never really noticed my CX-5 road noise, whereas others are acutely aware and sensitive to it. It's interesting.

    Growing up and one of my first cars being a soft top Jeep, to me the gen 1 CX-5 is quiet on the road noise front. At least by comparison. Then you get in nicer cars and it's definitely quieter than that which makes you aware of how loud the Gen 1 is.

    It's interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougal View Post
    Yeah, but it was one of the biggest negatives against the CX-5. Mazda has really addressed it and now their vehicles are some of the quietest on the market.
    When I bought the 14 CX-5 back in 13 out the door price in the low $20s it was what I expected for a cheap econo CUV. It has served me well through the years and I expect for a couple more at least. I have to admit that my current judgment and skepticism of the CX-5 is based on my model and year. I have progressed well financially and can definitely step up a class so my current top picks are the next level up to have a certain blend of quietness and performance.

    My CX-5 has a lot of road noise (IMO) at highway speed. Sure I haven't used a sound meter, but based on coming off the interstate on a long drive is becomes apparent when slowing down how loud I had the music volume just to hear the lyrics or dialog from sports or whatever. Also having to speak a touch louder to my wife so we can hear each other. I am not saying we are screaming at each other, but it take a little more effort. I suppose my judgment of the current models could be unfair. I do have enough experience with mine in comparison to riding with friends that own Lexus, MB, Porsche and others in that class that there is a significant difference in terms of interior sound. Volume of music and effort to talk is greatly reduced. That is not scientific by any means, but it is a reality. My CX-5 is better on the interstate than my previous Nissan Titan with performance exhaust. Wow! that got old really fast with droning for a 5 to 6 hour drive. Loved how it towed my boat, but the exhaust noise was wearisome even in local traffic. Sold the truck as soon as I sold the boat.

    Talking to a coworker that is now a Lexus fan said she was amazed on how less stressed she felt after a 6 hour drive than she did when they were buying from the economy class of cars. She said she could never step down after having that level of comfort and quietness on the interstate. I guess now that I am in my 50's I want to get that same experience, but also hope to have a touch more performance as well. If Mazda is truly becoming premium than I will at least give a test drive. I am interested to see observations from those of you that get the 19 CX-5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felt_Rider View Post
    When I bought the 14 CX-5 back in 13 out the door price in the low $20s it was what I expected for a cheap econo CUV. It has served me well through the years and I expect for a couple more at least. I have to admit that my current judgment and skepticism of the CX-5 is based on my model and year. I have progressed well financially and can definitely step up a class so my current top picks are the next level up to have a certain blend of quietness and performance.

    My CX-5 has a lot of road noise (IMO) at highway speed. Sure I haven't used a sound meter, but based on coming off the interstate on a long drive is becomes apparent when slowing down how loud I had the music volume just to hear the lyrics or dialog from sports or whatever. Also having to speak a touch louder to my wife so we can hear each other. I am not saying we are screaming at each other, but it take a little more effort. I suppose my judgment of the current models could be unfair. I do have enough experience with mine in comparison to riding with friends that own Lexus, MB, Porsche and others in that class that there is a significant difference in terms of interior sound. Volume of music and effort to talk is greatly reduced. That is not scientific by any means, but it is a reality. My CX-5 is better on the interstate than my previous Nissan Titan with performance exhaust. Wow! that got old really fast with droning for a 5 to 6 hour drive. Loved how it towed my boat, but the exhaust noise was wearisome even in local traffic. Sold the truck as soon as I sold the boat.

    Talking to a coworker that is now a Lexus fan said she was amazed on how less stressed she felt after a 6 hour drive than she did when they were buying from the economy class of cars. She said she could never step down after having that level of comfort and quietness on the interstate. I guess now that I am in my 50's I want to get that same experience, but also hope to have a touch more performance as well. If Mazda is truly becoming premium than I will at least give a test drive. I am interested to see observations from those of you that get the 19 CX-5.
    It does make a difference over a long drive. I used to drive shorter distances and it never bothered me much (2014 GT). Now, I drive 3-4 hours at least once a week and the noise is annoying.

    The easiest thing to do to see the difference in sound insulation from the older CX-5 to the newer CX-5 is play some music (in older car) at a volume level of 10 (make sure everything is set back to factory settings). Now get out of the car and shut the door (all window's closed). The volume of music inside and outside the car is surprisingly only slightly different. Now do the same experiment in a 2017+ CX-5 and the difference is what it should be (much reduced outside).

    The 2017+ CX-5 is so much better in my mind. The sound deadening came at a price (speed) but honestly the 2017+ CX-5 feels faster around town and such than my 2014 even though on paper it may not be (the 2014 was the fastest year I think).

    As Chris pointed out, you can get the GT with premium package for ~33K (USD) and the GT-R with the 2.5T for 34K (USD). Those are not bad prices. If you want the mileage, get the GT with Premium. If you want the performance get the GT-R. If you want everything get the Signature, which at 36-37 K is still a good deal.

    In 2014 dollars (inflation adjusted) we are talking about a 34.8K car - which is not far from what the fully loaded 2014 GT cost back then.
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    Chatted with a BC based sales guy about pricing (basically the same as Ontario pricing) but he gave me the pre-tax numbers (but with Freight and PDI):

    GT Turbo: $41,470
    Signature: $42,970

    A 2018 non-turbo GT is a tick over $37K right now but the 2019 is getting the Tech Package included from now on so I'm assuming there's a slight price increase (the tech package is $1,600).

    Considering that a loaded CR-V is $40,810 I think those are pretty darn reasonable prices for a turbo CX-5.

    Edit: A loaded 2019 Forester (no turbo) is $41,740 plus taxes as well.
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    How are we this close to the actual car-on-ground and yet we don't have any C&D, R&T, etc. numbers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebin View Post
    Chatted with a BC based sales guy about pricing (basically the same as Ontario pricing) but he gave me the pre-tax numbers (but with Freight and PDI):

    GT Turbo: $41,470
    Signature: $42,970

    A 2018 non-turbo GT is a tick over $37K right now but the 2019 is getting the Tech Package included from now on so I'm assuming there's a slight price increase (the tech package is $1,600).

    Considering that a loaded CR-V is $40,810 I think those are pretty darn reasonable prices for a turbo CX-5.

    Edit: A loaded 2019 Forester (no turbo) is $41,740 plus taxes as well.
    The mentioned CR-V was once labeled as highly overpriced here, and now it cost less, and the Mazda is pretty darn reasonable... Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by NelsonLewis View Post
    The mentioned CR-V was once labeled as highly overpriced here, and now it cost less, and the Mazda is pretty darn reasonable... Lol

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