Do you want your cx5 to be better?
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Just the hybrid.
Gasburner only should be low 200s. Thermal efficiency is 40%. To put that in perspective, Skyactiv 2.5 is around 29%.
Gasburner should be lighter than the hybrid, will have 8 speed, real torque vectoring, as noted near 50/50 dist...it should be potent.
Gasburner only should be low 200s. Thermal efficiency is 40%. To put that in perspective, Skyactiv 2.5 is around 29%.
Gasburner should be lighter than the hybrid, will have 8 speed, real torque vectoring, as noted near 50/50 dist...it should be potent.
Hmmm most people may not realize that Toyota is actually putting skyactiv version 2 on the roads before Mazda does
. This is a good thing as Toyota only puts out test approved technology. Meaning skyactiv 2 should be a successful platform. That said Mazda tends to put higher specced (slightly) base engines than Toyota historically. If the trend continues I'd expect 225 HP with mid-model refresh to 227 HP or so. If Toyota goes DI + port injected I hope Mazda follows suit.
Going back to that hybrid Rav4. Looks really good on paper.
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Where did you get this impression that Toyotas new Dynamic Force is a Mazdas SkyActiv-G version 2?Hmmm most people may not realize that Toyota is actually putting skyactiv version 2 on the roads before Mazda does
That said Mazda tends to put higher specced (slightly) base engines than Toyota historically. If the trend continues I'd expect 225 HP with mid-model refresh to 227 HP or so. If Toyota goes DI + port injected I hope Mazda follows suit.
Going back to that hybrid Rav4. Looks really good on paper.
The concept、design、and features are totally different between the two other than 13:1 high compression ratio.
SAE International said:
Toyota unveils more new gasoline ICEs with 40% thermal efficiency
Toyotas New 2.5-liter Dynamic Force Engine
Toyotas Dynamic Force Engine Tech Will Spread Across Lineup - Tech will come to V-6, V-8 engines
Also I have to say I cant agree that Mazda tends to put higher specced (slightly) base engines than Toyota historically. Before Mazda came out SkyActiv-G, the horsepower and fuel efficiency on its 2.5L were way behind Toyotas 2.5L and most others in the same period.
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And for 5 years or so now, who had anything out that was competing with the overall SkyActiv platform? None in that segment of CUVs as far as I am concerned, until recently. It's about time they caught up or surpassed Mazda. One can only hope Mazda keeps up, though color me skeptical on Mazda's future in that respect.
Also...I swear to god these are the RAV4 forums these days. Feels like every thread is talking RAV4 lol.
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Oh Okay I stand corrected. The Dynamic Force engine is high compression with Atkinson cycle features but with other improvements. A more refined Skyactiv 1 if you will. The Skyactiv 2 is HCCI and totally uncharted. Toyota went the more conservative approach in improving the high compression engine platform.
I was referring to SkyActiv-G period and after. For 2.5 Skyactivs the Mazda was 185hp while Toyota was 178hp for a while. Looks like The 2018 Toyota 2.5 is 203hp. I don't see why Skyactiv 2 won't beat that.
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Because it's another break-through in the ICE. Everyone interested in automotive design would be excited just like when Mazda's SkyActiv Technology was introduced in 2012.
The key here is the high thermal efficiency on Toyotas Dynamic Force is achieved by relentless nibbling away at waste. The final product should be very reliable. SkyActiv-X on the other hand is a brand-new product which is based on a nice HCCI, Homogeneous Charge Compression Ignition,"concept". And later the product has to be changed to SPCCI, Spark-Controlled Compression Ignition, with added spark ignition and super charger. A brand-new design based on a changing concept is not a good bet for long-term reliability from its initial production IMO.
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Toyota's Dynamic Force simply is not refined SkyActiv 1. It has nothing to do with Mazda's SkyActiv-G engines. it's based on 2015 Prius and the 2.5-L I4 used in the Camry Hybrid. Those Toyota engineers would feel it's an insult if people would refer their Dynamic Force I4's are related to SkyActiv Technology.
Toyota's Dynamic Force simply is not refined SkyActiv 1. It has nothing to do with Mazda's SkyActiv-G engines. it's based on 2015 Prius and the 2.5-L I4 used in the Camry Hybrid. Those Toyota engineers would feel it's an insult if people would refer their Dynamic Force I4's are related to SkyActiv Technology.
Pretty sure Toyota engineers go to Mazda engineers pizza partys. Well at least now they will. At any rate Mazda is going to increase Skyactiv 2's power and efficiency rating over Dynamic force. If they do then gotta give them credit.
Now for the US spec Mazda2/ err Scion...I wonder which engine it will get.
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What is "SkyActiv 2"? Nowhere in any literature does that term exist that I can find.
There is:
SkyActiv-G
SkyActiv-X
SkyActiv-D
SkyActiv-D 2.2
SkyActiv-Drive
SkyActiv-MT
SkyActiv-Body
SkyActiv-CNG
SkyActiv-Hybrid
SkyActiv-R
But I can't find "SkyActiv 2".
There is:
SkyActiv-G
SkyActiv-X
SkyActiv-D
SkyActiv-D 2.2
SkyActiv-Drive
SkyActiv-MT
SkyActiv-Body
SkyActiv-CNG
SkyActiv-Hybrid
SkyActiv-R
But I can't find "SkyActiv 2".
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New rav4 looks too much like a Tonka toy to me. Ymmv
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It's a mini 4Renner mixed with a Jeep Compass.
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My 2001 model year 4Runner was the best looking generation. Bar none.
Ill never forgive myself for trading it in.
Ill never forgive myself for trading it in.
NelsonLewis
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Yea, looks like a Jeep got it on with a Subaru to me. Doesn*t really sit pretty with me, but it*s definitely gonna sell like hot cakes...
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Ugly doesn't matter when it's faster than the CX5, better weighted, and gets over 50mpg...
NelsonLewis
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Didn*t see this till I posted. Haha...
