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Thread: Car & Driver 40,000 mile update/wrap-up - '16 CX-9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyBiker View Post
    C&D is as subjective as it can get for reviews. It’s a driver centric magazine so nothing surprising here.
    I've been subscribing to Car and Driver for more than 40 years, and consider them to have some of the best writers in the business. While they do quite a few long-term (40,000 mile) tests, they tend to place reliability near the bottom of importance when it comes to selection the annual top ten vehicles. For example, VW's GTI often is included in this list, but the GTI has a fairly consistent "worse or much worse than average" reliability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aleki2424 View Post
    Doug Demuro
    He's great but almost never reviews current mainstream vehicles. He specializes in rare, special, luxury/exotic, unusual/odd vehicles.

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    What struck me was the huge drop in depreciation. A 2016, with an MSRP of $ 45,955 was worth 27.2K after a year. That is $ 1500+ per month depreciation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprintrps View Post
    What struck me was the huge drop in depreciation. A 2016, with an MSRP of $ 45,955 was worth 27.2K after a year. That is $ 1500+ per month depreciation.
    I wonder if larger drops in depreciation is becoming more common overall. The resale / trade-in value on my 2013 Rav4 Limited after only 3 years with less than 36k miles was laughable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyBiker View Post
    Warped rotors seem to be a Mazda thing. My mazda6 rotors were warped by 30k miles
    Having owned lots of different cars, with my 2017 Mazda 6 being my first Mazda, I can tell you that warped rotors, early brake wear, are anything but just a Mazda thing.
    It's more common across the industry than you might expect.
    Most mass produced vehicles not in the luxury or "high" end category, are built as cheaply as possible.
    The brakes in mass produced cars in many cases barely meet minimum requirements.
    Parts are cheap (cost and quality), and more often than not, the rotors are too small, or barely adequate, for the size and weight of the vehicle.
    Compacts, sub-compacts, and other daily drivers are designed and engineered for so called "daily commuters" type of drivers/users.
    They are not engineered for the driver enthusiast or aggressive type of driver that might put a bit of a strain on the vehicle.
    If you take for example, a Honda Fit, and drive the crap out of it, the brakes will be done in a week.
    I was a Nissan guy for many years, and constantly had to service the brakes on my Altima and Sentra.
    My Pathfinder is a little better, but it has drum brakes in the rear, and are infinitely better than rear discs, believe it or not.
    The rear discs in my other cars were particularly bad. I was lucky to get 20K out of them. Not only crappy and undersized rotors, but garbage single piston calipers that seized all the time.
    I'm sure the climate had something to do with it (Canada), but still, they were cheap.
    Mazda is not alone in trying to save money by using components that meet the minimum requirements.
    Just my thoughts. Cheers everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzman12 View Post
    Having owned lots of different cars, with my 2017 Mazda 6 being my first Mazda, I can tell you that warped rotors, early brake wear, are anything but just a Mazda thing.
    It's more common across the industry than you might expect.
    Most mass produced vehicles not in the luxury or "high" end category, are built as cheaply as possible.
    The brakes in mass produced cars in many cases barely meet minimum requirements.
    Parts are cheap (cost and quality), and more often than not, the rotors are too small, or barely adequate, for the size and weight of the vehicle.
    Compacts, sub-compacts, and other daily drivers are designed and engineered for so called "daily commuters" type of drivers/users.
    They are not engineered for the driver enthusiast or aggressive type of driver that might put a bit of a strain on the vehicle.
    If you take for example, a Honda Fit, and drive the crap out of it, the brakes will be done in a week.
    I was a Nissan guy for many years, and constantly had to service the brakes on my Altima and Sentra.
    My Pathfinder is a little better, but it has drum brakes in the rear, and are infinitely better than rear discs, believe it or not.
    The rear discs in my other cars were particularly bad. I was lucky to get 20K out of them. Not only crappy and undersized rotors, but garbage single piston calipers that seized all the time.
    I'm sure the climate had something to do with it (Canada), but still, they were cheap.
    Mazda is not alone in trying to save money by using components that meet the minimum requirements.
    Just my thoughts. Cheers everyone.
    Except my 3 Toyotas!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cymotank View Post
    Does that appear to be squeaking sounds when apply break? I've only got less than 15k on my 16 mazda
    Brake shudder and horrible steering shaking

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    I have noisy brake at low speed

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