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    Quote Originally Posted by Natey View Post
    *Puts on bulletproof suit*

    He's got a point though. That Pacifica minivan absolutely smokes a CX-5, which should never happen to any Mazda. I don't think Unobtanium is hating on Mazda, I think he might be discouraged by how slow they've become.
    Fair enough.

    But at the end of the day, it's still a minivan that I doubt has the same "fun to drive" dynamics and certainly lacks the good looks of a CX-5.

    A Miata is technically slow, but everything I read says it doesn't feel slow driving.

    I don't know, I see the point, but at the same time don't. Raw HP 0-60 numbers aren't the end all be all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaps View Post
    Unob was of the opinion speed does not matter in CUV segment. Its a practical soccer mom car.

    Then the news that 17 was a second slower than 16 and unob went
    ROFL slowpoke CX5 - lolololololol

    So take his comments with a grain of salt. Like his 20 mpg and then finally revealing he drove on 2 miles one way
    I pulled 27mpg on my awd 2.5 over about 150mi highway the other day both ways. Going between 70-75 and occasional 85-100 to get away from packs annoying drivers who cant maintain a constant speed constantly passing each other. That's with a 93 ecu tune, 20"x8.5 wheels with new 255/45 tires and added weight in the form of chassis bars and hitch.
    Also negative rake right now (front higher than rear).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natey View Post
    *Puts on bulletproof suit*

    He's got a point though. That Pacifica minivan absolutely smokes a CX-5, which should never happen to any Mazda. I don't think Unobtanium is hating on Mazda, I think he might be discouraged by how slow they've become.

    The FD was almost as fast as a Viper and cornered way better. The Mazdaspeed Protege was the quickest FWD car Road and Track ever tested (at the time) through the slalom...the MS3 was a cool little sleeper among giant EVO spoilers and STi scoops, the Miata brought back a complete segment of automobiles.

    Now all we get is 3 nearly identical CUVs that look great but don't really do anything that well.
    To be fair, that's more a problem with CUV's and people's odd preference of them over better (hatchback and wagon) cars on this continent than a problem with Mazda or their CUV's. People want taller, heavier, AWD vehicles that get 30+MPG like the FWD cars they used to buy and...

    And short of being 'capable' at 0-60 (which most vehicles are these days) I could give a rats fart what 0-60 time my car has unless I'm driving a dedicated sports car (which CUV's are most certainly not). Ride, handling, engagement, mid range etc are all FAR more important IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoradoDriver View Post
    Fair enough.

    But at the end of the day, it's still a minivan that I doubt has the same "fun to drive" dynamics and certainly lacks the good looks of a CX-5.

    A Miata is technically slow, but everything I read says it doesn't feel slow driving.

    I don't know, I see the point, but at the same time don't. Raw HP 0-60 numbers aren't the end all be all.
    Definitely agree there about the CX-5's looks and the 0-60 time not meaning much. That's why I consider a Miata fast. Take one around your local roadcourse and be amazed at the balance that little 140HP beast possesses. Those things grip like a 14 year old on pornhub.

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    This turbocharged Mazda does OK...
    https://youtu.be/UiDYwJ6gtYs?t=3m30s
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    Crikey I thought any car that put a smile on Clarksons face must have been decent back a few years.
    Is the 2.5T Mazda 6 quicker?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.R. View Post
    To be fair, that's more a problem with CUV's and people's odd preference of them over better (hatchback and wagon) cars on this continent than a problem with Mazda or their CUV's. People want taller, heavier, AWD vehicles that get 30+MPG like the FWD cars they used to buy and...
    I'm not sure it's odd. I just find wagons to be butt ugly, period. Hatchbacks are more tolerable, but I prefer the dimensions of a CX-5 over a 3 hatchback for looks anyway. Doesn't make either of us right or wrong, but it is what it is, and the market reflects that.

    You are definitely correct in saying the wagons and hatchbacks will pull better numbers, but I'd rather drive my CX-5 with worse numbers then drive around in a wagon, or going back a few posts, a minivan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoradoDriver View Post
    I'm not sure it's odd. I just find wagons to be butt ugly, period. Hatchbacks are more tolerable, but I prefer the dimensions of a CX-5 over a 3 hatchback for looks anyway. Doesn't make either of us right or wrong, but it is what it is, and the market reflects that.

    You are definitely correct in saying the wagons and hatchbacks will pull better numbers, but I'd rather drive my CX-5 with worse numbers then drive around in a wagon, or going back a few posts, a minivan.
    Case in point ^^^


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    Quote Originally Posted by J.R. View Post
    Case in point ^^^


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    Quote Originally Posted by Natey View Post
    *Puts on bulletproof suit*

    He's got a point though. That Pacifica minivan absolutely smokes a CX-5, which should never happen to any Mazda. I don't think Unobtanium is hating on Mazda, I think he might be discouraged by how slow they've become.

    The FD was almost as fast as a Viper and cornered way better. The Mazdaspeed Protege was the quickest FWD car Road and Track ever tested (at the time) through the slalom...the MS3 was a cool little sleeper among giant EVO spoilers and STi scoops, the Miata brought back a complete segment of automobiles.

    Now all we get is 3 nearly identical CUVs that look great but don't really do anything that well.
    Exactly. Mazda killed their performance cars, save the miata, which is a great car but not fast.

    I remkeber when I bought my cx5. The only things people said were that its fast and handled well. That's why people here bought them. Now all....you know. Now its the opposite. People and crowds...short memory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unobtanium View Post
    Exactly. Mazda killed their performance cars, save the miata, which is a great car but not fast.

    I remkeber when I bought my cx5. The only things people said were that its fast and handled well. That's why people here bought them. Now all....you know. Now its the opposite. People and crowds...short memory.
    Fast around a track/winding road and fast in a 1/4 mile/straight line aren't the same thing.

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    Yeah, but the Pacifica minivan smokes it through the cones too. And braking. And you can couple your phone to it.

    Don't get me wrong; I love Mazdas and have for decades, but they'd better step it up with the next refresh. Give us fanboys something to cheer about!

    Something like the RX Vision.

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