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    Quote Originally Posted by SDL View Post
    Guys, please stop making excuses for Mazda..."There were more important things to get right like engine and transmission reliability?" What? You know that different teams work on different parts of the car? This is not a valid excuse for the shitty infotainment system Mazda has put out. They simply don't care about it. They didn't even produced it. The Totoya Yaris iA uses the same system, except their UI has blue accents instead of red.
    The CX-9's infotainment system is the single point of failure of this car. It is the first thing I mention to people when they ask about the car. I don't even recommend it. I can't. The car drives like a dream, but the experience while driving it sucks! In 2018, stuck in traffic, I need the radio, I need traffic updates, I need a reliable system. The CX-9 infotainment provides:
    1) Reboots. I had to replace my CMU already due to blank screens every single day. Now, it reboots every now and then. Not reliable.
    2) No real-time traffic updates. You get HD radio traffic updates which have a delay of 15 mins and not to mention half of the time, the map does not load! WTF?
    3) Historical traffic...what a f* joke... Drive thru an accident once, the system will mark that route as congested for an eternity
    4) Voice dialing? Don't try to use it as soon as you start the car, you'll get some BS about "analyzing pronunciation"
    5) Persistent annoying driving warning upon bootup. The system is completely unresponsive until that warning comes up and you dismiss it.
    6) Software plagued with bugs. Speed limit warning? Settings don't change
    7) Convoluted menus.
    8) Can't do certain features while driving
    9) Outdated maps...even with the latest update. Do you have any ideas how many times it has made me get off the highway just to get me back on 1 exit later?

    I could go on, but you get the point....this is one if not the worse infotainment system I have seen on a car. Why is ACP or AA important? Because they make all the difference! I rent a lot of cars for work travel, having ACP is amazing. Texting, Maps, real traffic, podcast. It's like having a different infotainment system. AA is even more versatile. Seriously Mazda, who the F* used Aha radio...wtf is that? I have never hear of it before.

    The balls of some of you defending Mazda talking about how much value you get for the money and how ACP or AA are not important...come on guys. Don't be fan boys. Yea...driving matters, that's what cars are for, but when you drive, you want nice suspension, cold AC, comfy leather seats, nice steering wheels, LED headlines, and freaking ACP or AA! It's part of the package. I'm honestly pissed that this hasn't been available sooner and if my 2016 doesn't qualify to get it I'm trading my Mazda. I will buy something else. Companies need to embrace technology and stop trying to cut corners and pretend they're a "luxury" brand. You can buy an used CPO Audi or BMW, sure a 2-3 older, but it will still have more tech and drive as well or better than a new Mazda
    What's every other brands excuse for all the stuff they're missing that the CX-9 has?

    I just rented a 2017 V6 Explorer for the last week and both my wife and I hated it. And that's the segments best seller.

    The CX-9 literally feels like a luxury brand in comparison. The Explorer was a sea of hard cheap plastics inside. The infotainment that has AC/AA was terribly outdated compared to Mazda Connect.
    The V6 was louder and worked harder under acceleration than the CX-9's 4T. The transmission was jerky, the CX-9 is as smooth as butter. The interior controls are all un-intuitive. The dead pedal moved your left foot over near the center. It's a totally forgettable driving experience. No desire to drive it while I look forward to getting into the CX-9 everytime. Oh, I almost forgot about the worst thing of all, the seats! I literally could not drive more than 30 minutes. Even 5 minutes is too long. The head rests jet out 6" beyond the seat so a human can't get comfortable. No side bolstering either.

    But hey, it has AC/AA! Who cares if every other aspect of the vehicle sucks.
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    Let's see if we can figure this out...

    Quote Originally Posted by JPL View Post
    What's every other brands excuse for all the stuff they're missing that the CX-9 has?

    I just rented a 2017 V6 Explorer
    ...and there we have it. You are comparing a top trim CX-9 with the rental grade Explorer. The CX-9 is nicer? I'm blown away!

    Quote Originally Posted by JPL View Post
    And that's the segments best seller.
    Indeed. It's almost like Ford knows what people want and makes it...

    Quote Originally Posted by JPL View Post
    The Explorer was a sea of hard cheap plastics inside. The infotainment that has AC/AA was terribly outdated compared to Mazda Connect.
    The V6 was louder and worked harder under acceleration than the CX-9's 4T. The transmission was jerky, the CX-9 is as smooth as butter. The interior controls are all un-intuitive. The dead pedal moved your left foot over near the center. It's a totally forgettable driving experience.
    Which is further confirmation that Mazda's recipe for this segment is not hitting the mark with the typical buyer, who apparently values things like size and selling price more than driving dynamics.

    I'm glad Mazda makes nice to drive cars, it's good to have the option. Having said that, the majority of the car buying public just doesn't seem to prioritize the driving experience, and instead buys a car like it is a major appliance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jal142 View Post
    ...and there we have it. You are comparing a top trim CX-9 with the rental grade Explorer. The CX-9 is nicer? I'm blown away!
    The interior and most of the vehicle of the $53K Explorer Platinum is largely the same as the mid-trim model I drove. The things I pointed out are the same across the board. I'm not ignorant to the fact the the higher trims come with nicer leather, added "wood", and more features, and most importantly and more powerful engine. The top trim Explorers still have a cheap plastic dash/center stack and is built in the same cheap tin can feel. Drive both, the CX-9 is a whole different level regardless of trim level. The vehicle itself is still the vehicle itself in both cases.


    Quote Originally Posted by jal142 View Post
    Indeed. It's almost like Ford knows what people want and makes it...
    The #1 reason people buy Explorers is exterior design as surveyed by buyers. One of the qualities that people in this discussion say family hauler buyers don't care about. I have a strong feeling most buyers don't test drive anything else.

    Quote Originally Posted by jal142 View Post
    Which is further confirmation that Mazda's recipe for this segment is not hitting the mark with the typical buyer, who apparently values things like size and selling price more than driving dynamics.

    I'm glad Mazda makes nice to drive cars, it's good to have the option. Having said that, the majority of the car buying public just doesn't seem to prioritize the driving experience, and instead buys a car like it is a major appliance.
    Will say it over and over again. Mazda isn't chasing easy sales. That's actually the easy way to go is to just do what everyone is doing. There's different companies in order to cater to different buyers.
    Tesla is building a very unique product that most people don't want, but some people do. Should Tesla just forget doing electric because sales in the segment are very niche?

    This whole argument on this site continues to drive me nuts. Like companies can't choose to be out of the mainstream. Like it's some mistake. It's so far from a mistake. Mazda's focus is so intentional unlike most mainstream brands that have no defined mission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPL View Post
    This whole argument on this site continues to drive me nuts. Like companies can't choose to be out of the mainstream. Like it's some mistake. It's so far from a mistake. Mazda's focus is so intentional unlike most mainstream brands that have no defined mission.
    I will put it in very simple terms - at the end of the day - cash is king! Mazda, just like every other car company in the world is in this business to make money (cash). Mazda's purpose is not to please only a handful of people with unique needs because a handful of people is not enough to pay the bills. Mazda's "mission" is to make money! Simple as that.
    Also, Mazda is a very much 100% mainstream brand and sadly, it was not doing too well up until few years ago. The whole partnership with Ford up until recently is no coincidence.
    Don't kid yourself - there is nothing unique about them or their cars. The fact that the new CX-9 Signature is a bit nicer inside than all the other "non-luxury" options in the class is cool and appreciated by a handful of us, but hardly is a big deal. If it was such a big deal, the CX-9 sales would not be so mediocre and local dealers won't be giving $7-8k off on every new loaded '18 CX-9. They are NOT selling like hot cakes. Why is that? Mazda is not some exotic, high demand, limited production, cool brand that everyone is drooling over. Never was. Not even close. This is the plain reality - like it or not. 90% of Mazda's cars are as mainstream as it gets, but they still can't win a ton of customers. Something must not be working so well. Lets hope they figure it out soon.

    Are you implying Mazda is like Tesla? Really? I see zero similarity.
    What Tesla is doing is actually truly unique, BUT.... it comes at a huge cost. Tesla is burning through cash like crazy. Financially the company is not doing well, at all. If it was not for the generous US government subsidies, they would be dead by now. If the Model 3 does not take off and if the company fails to support it long term - forget Tesla. Cool idea, unique cars, but despite their crazy high cost - they are still losing money. Yet.... GM, Ford, the Germans and now Hyundai are all coming out with long range, affordable, cool all electric cars that cost 1/3 the Tesla price, and are not sold at a loss.

    Mazda, as a car company, has not impressed me yet. I have driven the lower trims of the CX-5 and the Mazda 6/3 (as loaners or rentals) and i can say that i was not impressed at all. There were plenty of cheap touches, noisy interiors, so-so seats, bad stereo systems, so-so brakes, and poor sounding 4-cyl engines when pushed hard. All these cars did not feel or look or drive any better than mainstream alternatives from Hyundai, Toyota, Ford or Nissan. Actually, i would pick a base trim Ford Fusion SE or Hyundai Sonata over a base trim Mazda 6, any day....I would also pick a Hyundai Tucson 1.6T over a CX-5 any day, but that's just me.
    This is why i am having really hard time with your comment above, about Mazda being "out of the mainstream". I don't see it and i am not the only one.

    This discussion is getting completely off-topic. I will say this and leave it there - I really like my CX-9 Signature and i enjoy it as much as everyone here, but i refuse to be a "fanboy" who puts his head in the sand and never praises or recognizes anything but Mazda.
    The CX-9 in Signature trim is a very nice car/CUV and offers a lot for the money to meet MY current needs, especially when bought at a discount. You get a lot of car. Some of the nice things it offers and i care about are not found in the competition, agreed. However, the competition offers some other options/toys/specs that the CX-9 simply doesn't have. Fact!
    At this stage of my life and given the other cars i have parked in my driveway, the CX-9 is the right choice for me, but it is NOT the perfect car. If i needed a slightly larger SUV with an actual cargo space, real 4WD system, and more power under the hood, or if i truly cared about the latest technology in infotainment - i would have never bought the CX-9. Luckily, my wife's SUV covers most of these gaps very well and more, so i am happy.
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    Wow...this thread has suddenly become a debate/gripe session! Just like a few months ago caused by certain individuals that went off-topic and started with debates that turned into attacks...unfortunately this type of discussion just turns me off and probably some other people. I know we're all passionate about our Mazdas but come on folks let's stick to the real topic and try to be as informative as possible. I'm sure we can all agree to disagree...no?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by danmm7 View Post
    I will put it in very simple terms - at the end of the day - cash is king! Mazda, just like every other car company in the world is in this business to make money (cash). Mazda's purpose is not to please only a handful of people with unique needs because a handful of people is not enough to pay the bills. Mazda's "mission" is to make money! Simple as that.
    Also, Mazda is a very much 100% mainstream brand and sadly, it was not doing too well up until few years ago. The whole partnership with Ford up until recently is no coincidence.
    Don't kid yourself - there is nothing unique about them or their cars. The fact that the new CX-9 Signature is a bit nicer inside than all the other "non-luxury" options in the class is cool and appreciated by a handful of us, but hardly is a big deal. If it was such a big deal, the CX-9 sales would not be so mediocre and local dealers won't be giving $7-8k off on every new loaded '18 CX-9. They are NOT selling like hot cakes. Why is that? Mazda is not some exotic, high demand, limited production, cool brand that everyone is drooling over. Never was. Not even close. This is the plain reality - like it or not. 90% of Mazda's cars are as mainstream as it gets, but they still can't win a ton of customers. Something must not be working so well. Lets hope they figure it out soon.

    Are you implying Mazda is like Tesla? Really? I see zero similarity.
    What Tesla is doing is actually truly unique, BUT.... it comes at a huge cost. Tesla is burning through cash like crazy. Financially the company is not doing well, at all. If it was not for the generous US government subsidies, they would be dead by now. If the Model 3 does not take off and if the company fails to support it long term - forget Tesla. Cool idea, unique cars, but despite their crazy high cost - they are still losing money. Yet.... GM, Ford, the Germans and now Hyundai are all coming out with long range, affordable, cool all electric cars that cost 1/3 the Tesla price, and are not sold at a loss.

    Mazda, as a car company, has not impressed me yet. I have driven the lower trims of the CX-5 and the Mazda 6/3 (as loaners or rentals) and i can say that i was not impressed at all. There were plenty of cheap touches, noisy interiors, so-so seats, bad stereo systems, so-so brakes, and poor sounding 4-cyl engines when pushed hard. All these cars did not feel or look or drive any better than mainstream alternatives from Hyundai, Toyota, Ford or Nissan. Actually, i would pick a base trim Ford Fusion SE or Hyundai Sonata over a base trim Mazda 6, any day....I would also pick a Hyundai Tucson 1.6T over a CX-5 any day, but that's just me.
    This is why i am having really hard time with your comment above, about Mazda being "out of the mainstream". I don't see it and i am not the only one.

    This discussion is getting completely off-topic. I will say this and leave it there - I really like my CX-9 Signature and i enjoy it as much as everyone here, but i refuse to be a "fanboy" who puts his head in the sand and never praises or recognizes anything but Mazda.
    The CX-9 in Signature trim is a very nice car/CUV and offers a lot for the money to meet MY current needs, especially when bought at a discount. You get a lot of car. Some of the nice things it offers and i care about are not found in the competition, agreed. However, the competition offers some other options/toys/specs that the CX-9 simply doesn't have. Fact!
    At this stage of my life and given the other cars i have parked in my driveway, the CX-9 is the right choice for me, but it is NOT the perfect car. If i needed a slightly larger SUV with an actual cargo space, real 4WD system, and more power under the hood, or if i truly cared about the latest technology in infotainment - i would have never bought the CX-9. Luckily, my wife's SUV covers most of these gaps very well and more, so i am happy.
    This is my 1st Mazda, I certainly don't consider myself a fanboy. I'm a enthusiast of all cars in general. I've been a long time Toyota loyalist but wanted something more interesting this time.

    Let me try and clarify my points. Yes, Mazda is "mainstream" defined as non-luxury/exotic. On the other hand, they don't follow the formula of the Ford's, Chevy's, Toyota's, Honda's, & Hyundai's of the world. Don't you think it would be easier to just build bloated appliances and go after the volume sellers without doing something different? IMO it's easier to play the size and space war and load up cars with goodies than to engineer a fundamentaly better CAR (better dynamics, suspension, steering, transmission, design, etc. thereby creating the elusive "soul" of the automobile that so few accomplish. Engineering a human connection to a machine isn't easy. Let others build appliances, Mazda isn't interested.

    How many CX-9 competitors have you driven? I'm a little surprised that you have a CX-9 Signature and are down playing it so much. As if you had a much more expensive vehicle before. The CX-9 in it's interior/exterior design/quality and driving feel isn't just slightly better than the field, it's really not close.

    Yes, buyers in general may not care about these things and that's their preference. I see no point in arguing Mazda's strategy because they are just a small company doing their thing. Mazda knew full well that when they designed the CX-9 that it wouldn't be as big as a Traverse, as powerful as a V8 Durango, as versatile as a Pilot, or whatever. It's like people are surprised that Mazda's 3-row solution didn't hit on all these benchmarks and somehow Mazda didn't see what everyone else was doing.

    Mazda's low sales numbers aren't simply product driven. Numerous factors lead to sales.

    - brand recognition
    - brand loyalty
    - past perception
    - incentives
    - dealer network
    - warranty

    Before someone even takes a look at a Mazda, many people have them written off in their minds write off the bat. I bet there's people that go shopping and are completely unaware of the existence of some Mazda models. Those that only know the best sellers. They only shop the comfortable choices. When a CR-V owner is ready to trade up, where do you think they go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPL View Post
    Mazda exists to fill the niche that the volume pushers miss. Most of us buy a particular Mazda because it's not like all the other options out there that try to fill the bells and whistles checklist. I've said before it would be the easier way to go for Mazda to copy Hyundai and Kia's formula to sell to a broader buyer.

    Why do you think that fathers would want to own a sports car on the side just to get some spirited driving out of his system each Sunday? In my situation, I bring my kids to school each morning before heading to work. I'm also a car enthusiast. Thanks to Mazda, there was one clear choice for me. Everything in one package without desiring a Miata to sit 95% of the time. I actually have no desire to own sports cars but love driving, go figure.

    It's not all that complicated. Why does Porsche, Jaguar, and now even Lamborghini build SUV's? Is it to compete with the most sensible family hauler out there or rather stir your emotions while still being practical for daily living?
    So we are comparing the CX-9 to Porsches, Jags and Lambos now?

    Those companies make SUVs because they realize that they can make a shit-ton of $$ doing it. Enthusiasts (those are who we keep talking about here, right) were appalled when the first Cayenne was introduced. "Ridiculous!" "How can Porsche sell such a thing?" "Blasphemy!"


    Oh...and circling back to the OP, the Porsche Cayenne comes with Apple Car Play. So I guess those buyers don't really care about driving, just tech....
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    Quote Originally Posted by JPL View Post
    This is my 1st Mazda, I certainly don't consider myself a fanboy. I'm a enthusiast of all cars in general. I've been a long time Toyota loyalist but wanted something more interesting this time.
    I can say the same thing about myself. My first real Mazda. I have driven (rent/loaned) a few before but never paid for one. My brother in-law has a '16 Mazda 6 GT so i have some direct observation over his car.
    We have Lexus and Toyota in the family today, and an old 1994 Mazda B4000 truck, yes another Mazda, but it is 90% Ford Ranger.
    Prior to current Toyota/Lexus cars, we had a plug-in Prius, Acura TSX and Acura RL sw-awd, Nissan Maxima...older Audis, Ford and a Corolla.
    I enjoy cars, different cars from all sizes, brands, shapes, hp, price range, etc. I also love to work on cars ...from basic maintenance (oil, belts, brakes) to tuning, rebuilt and upgrades.

    Quote Originally Posted by JPL View Post

    How many CX-9 competitors have you driven? I'm a little surprised that you have a CX-9 Signature and are down playing it so much. As if you had a much more expensive vehicle before. The CX-9 in it's interior/exterior design/quality and driving feel isn't just slightly better than the field, it's really not close.
    I am not downplaying the CX-9, i am just being 100% realistic about its weaknesses and strengths and also what else is out there. The list of cars i drove before i bought the CX-9 is very long. It was a 5 months process for me. I drove everything from Toyota Highlander Limited, to Lexus RX450h, to Porsche Cayenne TDI, Audi Q7 TDI, Acura MDX, Hyundai Santa Fe Limited, Buick Enclave, BMW X5 diesel, Benz ML350 bluetec, VW Atlas... and the list goes on and on. Some of the cars were brand new, some were certified pre-owned.
    My last car was a fully loaded 2012 Audi S4, Stage 2 tuned. I loved that car. It had close to 100k miles when i sold it but was solid as a rock, yet it was pushing 450+hp with no effort. Why i sold it? Well... 3 kids under the age of 8 cannot fit in Audi S4. Not even in Audi A6/S6. I drive my kids to school and activities almost every other day, so the small rear seat in the S4 was becoming a real issue for the family.

    The CX-9 Signature won my business at the end of the day. I test drove it 3 or 4 times. Clearly i liked the car. I needed the rear seat room and decent handling/fun to drive factor + AWD. I also wanted decent MPG, given the amount of miles i put on my cars per year. The price and full warranty were also a factor. At the end of the day, it was a good compromise and so far - i like it. I miss my old S4 but i do enjoy driving the CX-9 a lot. I am also convinced now that it is far from perfect and i find myself wishing it had a few extra things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPL View Post
    They only shop the comfortable choices. When a CR-V owner is ready to trade up, where do you think they go?
    ⬆️That used to be me, only comfy choices. I was a lifelong Toyota guy until I bought the new RAV4 and simply had enough of that utilitarian rattletrap.

    I researched and test drove everything else I thought I wanted - BMW, Volvo, Acura, Jeep, Lexus, Audi, VW, Nissan etc but landed in a new Mazda. FOR THE MONEY SPENT, the CX-9 kicks ass.

    Ya know, I've watched a few threads over the last several months derail into arguments over "Mazda vs. enter car brand here _____ " and "Mazda's marketing philosophy" etc...

    For those constantly bitchin about your CX-9, you might consider doing yourself and family a favor: BUY ANOTHER CAR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fruitwolf View Post
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    For those constantly bitchin about your CX-9, you might consider doing yourself and family a favor: BUY ANOTHER CAR.
    I don't see anyone here bitching about the CX-9. We are mostly talking about all the good and some of the bad that comes with it...and the fact that it is not perfect. Nothing else, nothing more.
    And yes, some of us are not happy with the decisions Mazda has made around AA/ACP. Are we all supposed to stay quiet about it and not express some disappointment?? Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by danmm7 View Post
    I can say the same thing about myself. My first real Mazda. I have driven (rent/loaned) a few before but never paid for one. My brother in-law has a '16 Mazda 6 GT so i have some direct observation over his car.
    We have Lexus and Toyota in the family today, and an old 1994 Mazda B4000 truck, yes another Mazda, but it is 90% Ford Ranger.
    Prior to current Toyota/Lexus cars, we had a plug-in Prius, Acura TSX and Acura RL sw-awd, Nissan Maxima...older Audis, Ford and a Corolla.
    I enjoy cars, different cars from all sizes, brands, shapes, hp, price range, etc. I also love to work on cars ...from basic maintenance (oil, belts, brakes) to tuning, rebuilt and upgrades.



    I am not downplaying the CX-9, i am just being 100% realistic about its weaknesses and strengths and also what else is out there. The list of cars i drove before i bought the CX-9 is very long. It was a 5 months process for me. I drove everything from Toyota Highlander Limited, to Lexus RX450h, to Porsche Cayenne TDI, Audi Q7 TDI, Acura MDX, Hyundai Santa Fe Limited, Buick Enclave, BMW X5 diesel, Benz ML350 bluetec, VW Atlas... and the list goes on and on. Some of the cars were brand new, some were certified pre-owned.
    My last car was a fully loaded 2012 Audi S4, Stage 2 tuned. I loved that car. It had close to 100k miles when i sold it but was solid as a rock, yet it was pushing 450+hp with no effort. Why i sold it? Well... 3 kids under the age of 8 cannot fit in Audi S4. Not even in Audi A6/S6. I drive my kids to school and activities almost every other day, so the small rear seat in the S4 was becoming a real issue for the family.

    The CX-9 Signature won my business at the end of the day. I test drove it 3 or 4 times. Clearly i liked the car. I needed the rear seat room and decent handling/fun to drive factor + AWD. I also wanted decent MPG, given the amount of miles i put on my cars per year. The price and full warranty were also a factor. At the end of the day, it was a good compromise and so far - i like it. I miss my old S4 but i do enjoy driving the CX-9 a lot. I am also convinced now that it is far from perfect and i find myself wishing it had a few extra things.
    Impressive decision. I have a dual pulley S4 and decided to go to a three car house instead of losing my fun car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fruitwolf View Post

    For those constantly bitchin about your CX-9, you might consider doing yourself and family a favor: BUY ANOTHER CAR.
    It's not an Owner's Forum without complaints about whatever car the forum is for.

    And if you are 100% satisfied with your car, with no complaints, nothing you would change, and no desire to add features your car lacks, the kudos to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danmm7 View Post
    I don't see anyone here bitching about the CX-9. We are mostly talking about all the good and some of the bad that comes with it...and the fact that it is not perfect. Nothing else, nothing more.
    And yes, some of us are not happy with the decisions Mazda has made around AA/ACP. Are we all supposed to stay quiet about it and not express some disappointment?? Why?
    Sometimes I'll ask myself, "Do I wanna be right or do I wanna be happy?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by tex2670 View Post
    So we are comparing the CX-9 to Porsches, Jags and Lambos now?
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    How do get that from my post?

    It was merely a point stating that there are SUVs/crossovers that shoot for very different purposes. A Porsche SUV may be priced in line with a Range Rover but both have different reasons to exist. The Porsche isn't designed to beat a RR off road but do people then criticize Porsche for their lack of off road ability or it's lack of space as an SUV? And why doesn't the RR corner like the Porsche. Is one better than the other? Depends who you ask.

    Constantly talking about the CX-9's "shortcomings" miss the entire point of its intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tekz View Post
    Wow...this thread has suddenly become a debate/gripe session! Just like a few months ago caused by certain individuals that went off-topic and started with debates that turned into attacks...unfortunately this type of discussion just turns me off and probably some other people. I know we're all passionate about our Mazdas but come on folks let's stick to the real topic and try to be as informative as possible. I'm sure we can all agree to disagree...no?!
    Imagine this scenario ... after years of one-sided political bantering on Assbook, a guy has an epiphany. "Hey... the opposition has a point there.... Wow! That's it, I'm now changing political parties."

    Never gonna happen.

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