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    I thought that was a great explanation. How am I still not making this clear? Upshifts?!?! I didn't say anything about upshifts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7eregrine View Post
    I thought that was a great explanation. How am I still not making this clear? Upshifts?!?! I didn't say anything about upshifts.
    I just caught how he said upshift. Mine will hold gear for a few seconds before downshifting if I stab it to a high RPM range and then let off the gas.
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    There's only one way to get to the bottom of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoradoDriver View Post
    Probably a joke I am not getting.
    Sorry. Just a play on words. Dr Freud. Some people thought he was a little off base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unobtanium View Post
    Not really, look at the camaro and corvette. Nearly identical performance, even though the weights differ. Same story from 98 to 02, also. More afoot, here, imo
    How much weight difference between Camaro & Corvette

    It should be remembered that any extra weight increase hits a NA 4 cylinder more than a V8

    Not to mention the 2.5NA doesn't have shovel amounts of torque at the bottom end like a V8 does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7eregrine View Post
    I thought that was a great explanation. How am I still not making this clear? Upshifts?!?! I didn't say anything about upshifts.
    You're failing to make it clear because you don't understand how transmissions work, per your post, which severely weakens your argument for a feature affecting transmission behavior regarding up and down shifting through the gear range.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7eregrine View Post
    That's not it at all. It runs the gears differently. When you step on the gas with Sport on it acts just like with Sport off. The major difference is when you let off the pedal. The gears are held longer. So you without Sport, your car downshifts. Mine in Sport does not. It's still higher in the rev range. So if I need to apply the gas again, I am still in the higher torque range of the gear I was in = where more power is available. I can accelerate faster because my car hasn't downshifted.
    That's about the best I can explain it.
    And I'm done trying.
    Mine doesn't upshift either for about 3 to 4 seconds or so, if you stab and let off as you describe. I haven't played the jumping at an adversary game in it though. It doesn't have enough power to do it noticeably, lol! Makes for a super weak taunt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7eregrine View Post
    So apparently I AM the only person on Earth that doesn't consider the CX-5 'slow'. Not at all.
    That's fine.
    Don't get me wrong... I wouldn't call it fast. But slow? No.
    Have you driven your mom's Crosstrek, C-D?
    Has anyone driven a 1998 Plymouth Breeze? The car my wife was driving when I met her.
    You want to talk S L O W.
    And if you think Sport mode is worthless, I encourage you to come take a ride with me.
    True. We shouldn't be comparing it to all other types of vehicles on the road, especially ones that are intended to be performance oriented. 0-60mph in the 8s is not bad. Not so long ago my V6 sedan could only do 0-60mph in 8 secs flat.

    In comparison with its direct competitors, the CX-5 is closer to the "faster" range than the "slower" range. What is slow is something like the RAV4, Rogue, Sportage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeler8ing View Post
    How much weight difference between Camaro & Corvette

    It should be remembered that any extra weight increase hits a NA 4 cylinder more than a V8
    Around 3400# for the corvette, around 3700# for the Camaro.

    Very true about i4 vs v8, but look at the 1/4 mile and 0-60 times. They are typically within 1/10 of a second of on another between the Camaro and Corvette.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m8te View Post
    True. We shouldn't be comparing it to all other types of vehicles on the road, especially ones that are intended to be performance oriented. 0-60mph in the 8s is not bad. Not so long ago my V6 sedan could only do 0-60mph in 8 secs flat.

    In comparison with its direct competitors, the CX-5 is closer to the "faster" range than the "slower" range. What is slow is something like the RAV4, Rogue, Sportage.
    Those are also boring vehicles and actually sound like appliances!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unobtanium View Post
    Around 3400# for the corvette, around 3700# for the Camaro.

    Very true about i4 vs v8, but look at the 1/4 mile and 0-60 times. They are typically within 1/10 of a second of on another between the Camaro and Corvette.
    I agree but extra weight seems to have more of an impact on this 2.5NA which if you want to look at performance wise, is actually better suited to Mazda 3 and Mazda 6 as they both weigh a decent amount less than the CX-5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m8te View Post
    True. We shouldn't be comparing it to all other types of vehicles on the road, especially ones that are intended to be performance oriented. 0-60mph in the 8s is not bad. Not so long ago my V6 sedan could only do 0-60mph in 8 secs flat.

    In comparison with its direct competitors, the CX-5 is closer to the "faster" range than the "slower" range. What is slow is something like the RAV4, Rogue, Sportage.
    Actually, the CX5 AWD now that the acceleration has been downgraded for 2017+, is only about 0.3 seconds faster to 60 than the RAV 4 AWD (8.4 vs 8.7 seconds). Which leads me to my next point...this is much smaller than the over half second gap between the 2014-2016.5 CX5 and 2017+ CX5, so it's fair, by your standards, to say that "the pre-2017's are legitimately fast, compared to something slow, like a 2017+ CX5".

    The Kia Sportage (i4 2.4L, AWD, 184bhp) is actually faster than any 2017+ CX5 tested, at 8.0 seconds 0-60.

    The Rogue is still a dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unobtanium View Post
    You're failing to make it clear because you don't understand how transmissions work, per your post, which severely weakens your argument for a feature affecting transmission behavior regarding up and down shifting through the gear range.
    You can just fuck right off. I clearly do understand transmissions.
    That was a very clear explanation that you still don't seem to grasp and I'm the one who doesn't understand tranny's? Bwahaha
    Ah...I reread your post and I see where your confusion lies. I didn't say stab and let off. But I'm not going into it again. I feel like I'm trying to explain color to a blind man.
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    Well...look I know what you meant which was the car upshifts after a burst of power w/o sport mode..not down, downshift is what happens when you floor it..but again this phenomena is pretty easily replicated via manual mode unless I'm not picking up what you're putting down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unobtanium View Post
    Actually, the CX5 AWD now that the acceleration has been downgraded for 2017+, is only about 0.3 seconds faster to 60 than the RAV 4 AWD (8.4 vs 8.7 seconds). Which leads me to my next point...this is much smaller than the over half second gap between the 2014-2016.5 CX5 and 2017+ CX5, so it's fair, by your standards, to say that "the pre-2017's are legitimately fast, compared to something slow, like a 2017+ CX5".

    The Kia Sportage (i4 2.4L, AWD, 184bhp) is actually faster than any 2017+ CX5 tested, at 8.0 seconds 0-60.

    The Rogue is still a dog.
    It's true what you said that the 2017+ have narrowed the gap to the other appliances. The Kia is certainly not faster in any tests here in Oz at least. I guess I really need to start referencing the current gen CX-5 model in discussions despite owning the previous gen CX-5 myself

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