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    You can check for voltage at the solenoid/starter but even that sounds difficult and dangerous to do.
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    My friends boat was having a hard time starting so we took the cover off the engine, he held the key and I smacked the solenoid with a rock and it started.
    But it would always start once the engine was warmed up.
    The grease inside solenoid would get old and sticky and the warmth of the engine would warm it up just enough to let the solenoid move.

    So I'm thinking, you could try holding the key in start position and if it is just a sticky solenoid, the heat generated by the coils in it might be enough to warm it up a bit to get it going.
    The current should still travel through the solenoid just not the starter if the solenoid is seized.

    You're not going to drain the battery, just hopefully warmup the solenoid.

    The coils in all the other solenoids on the car draw about 20 mA but the one on the starter is huge andmaydraw about an amp. (they don't give the current draw of the solenoid in the book)

    It's easy to try and you don't have to crawl under your car.
    If it works, you won't need a tow truck.

    You mentioned you're on a hill.
    What about a bump start.
    I've done it in forward and reverse.

    (it's not good for the pre-cat but you've got a header anyway right?)

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    Do you have a jack and access to these jacking points ??

    I have to lift from there, my frame rails are all rotted and crunched in.



    The front one is about 1 1/2' underneath and about 3" towards the drivers side.

    It's a 3" round bump that fits nicely into the lifting point of the jack.
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    I jacked up the car lightly so that both wheels were still touching the ground. I reached underneath with a ratchet, banged on the starter a little, and it wouldn't start.

    Come to think of it, last time I started the car, it cranked just a little bit, made that "wind up toy" sound I've described in the past (the little plastic whine you hear from the gears), and just quit, never to crank to date. That gear noise sounded like it came from the instrument panel.

    Does the ignition switch have gears in it? I checked the fuse for it, and it seems okay. I also swear that my battery terminals aren't filthy.

    Jeez...it's been about a week since my car stopped cranking. As good as the beater van's 3.5L V6 is, it doesn't give me the same joy as my P5.20190415_125505.jpg
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    Starter solenoid isnít engaging
    Be happy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dpwhitehead1 View Post
    Starter solenoid isnít engaging
    Where's it at? I'm not sure if it's in the fusebox or if it's down on/by the starter itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riot_Polizei View Post
    Come to think of it, last time I started the car, it cranked just a little bit, made that "wind up toy" sound...


    If the solenoid is stuck, the drive pinion doesn't lift and engage the flywheel and the armature just spins making a wizzing sound.
    It's not as loud because it's not cranking the engine.

    Your brushes may have been on their last straw and the high rpms may have finished them.

    I'm going to remove my starter and take it apart but it might take a while.

    I've got some rust to deal with.

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    Damn. Well, I gotta find a way to push the car up the hill and in the driveway now lol...it's pretty convincing that it's the starter.

    Thanks for the info. Time to fix the car for the Nth time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riot_Polizei View Post
    Damn. Well, I gotta find a way to push the car up the hill and in the driveway now lol...
    Get one of these and pull it up.

    I'm sure you'll need it again.

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    You replace the starter and solenoid together, theyíre a unit nowadays.

    Itís located on the transmission kinda near/under the intake manifold
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    The guys in Europe rebuild their starters and alternators.
    They buy rebuild kits.
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    Alright, one plan is on the table lol:

    A neighbor down the street has a very flat and level surface in front of his house, so if I can't roll start my car while coasting in reverse down the hill, I'll park there to fix up my car!

    It's mostly a joke at this point, but man I want to fix my car already. At least, I've found a very detailed video about diagnosing the ignition system. Probably going to go through those steps I left out while checking all things electrical (clutch starter switch), a relay within the engine bay fusebox, starter singal fuse (#12 in engine bay fuse box).

    Just gotta jab my multimeter in some places to check for continuity.
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    Yo riot, seems you made someone's insta lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabe710 View Post
    Yo riot, seems you made someone's insta lol
    Hey that's pretty cool :^)

    Only other person that appreciates this car is someone I don't know, and most likely won't meet lol. That's fate for you. There's actually a P5 guy in this forum that lives in the same city as me, perhaps about 10 miles south or so, but he never responded to my PM last year. Lonely driver gang represent, I guess
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    Haha 323 has been tryna go wash cars for a minute but the sedan gets the work auto wash and nothing more.

    Crazy tho! I lived in Colorado Springs back in like 1998-2000. Of course I was 3-5 but still lmao
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