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    FWIW Car and Driver had the 6 outperforming the Accord 2.0T and Camry V6 in the 30-50mph and 50-70mph metrics, and on regular fuel to boot.

    I just don't see how the target buyer could drive all three and find the acceleration of the 6 to be deficient. I can more easily see how the buyer would find the Camry's interior deficient compared to the 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazda_TX View Post
    FWIW Car and Driver had the 6 outperforming the Accord 2.0T and Camry V6 in the 30-50mph and 50-70mph metrics, and on regular fuel to boot.

    I just don't see how the target buyer could drive all three and find the acceleration of the 6 to be deficient. I can more easily see how the buyer would find the Camry's interior deficient compared to the 6.
    Does the Accord & Camry provide push back into the seat acceleration

    If they do then basically it's that feeling that the target buyer apparently missed out in the 6 because it provides a relentless surge acceleration instead of push back into the seat acceleration
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougal View Post
    Honestly, the Accord 2.0T is a beast. Not as pretty as the Mazda 6 but still, an absolute fantastic car. I personally am a big fan of how the Honda 1.5T and 2.0T drive. I know there are some questions about the reliability but from a performance standpoint, they are very good.

    Mazda went after a very specific audience with the Mazda 6. Honestly, I think they nailed it.
    The Accord 2.0T straight line numbers from Car and Driver are super impressive, the Mazda6 2.5T and Camry V6 aren't even close. I find it confusing though that Car and Driver has the Mazda6 faster in 30-50 mph and 50-70 mph metrics than the Accord/Camry, which goes against the data from Motor Trend. They must be testing them differently.

    You're right, looks like Mazda was really targeting a specific audience with the new 6. They are willing to trade outright performance for a very pleasant ride. They are really taking this move to "premium/upmarket" thing very seriously.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeler8ing View Post
    Does the Accord & Camry provide push back into the seat acceleration

    If they do then basically it's that feeling that the target buyer apparently missed out in the 6 because it provides a relentless surge acceleration instead of push back into the seat acceleration
    The somewhat flat 3k-4k range in the powerband might be to blame for that. I believe Motor Trend in their First Drive review mentioned it. It like surges at 2k RPM, then sort of stagnates at 3k-4k RPM then surges again at high RPM. Kinda like the complaint people have with the torque dip of the FRS/BRZ, but it is obviously not as bad as that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by finch204 View Post
    The somewhat flat 3k-4k range in the powerband might be to blame for that. I believe Motor Trend in their First Drive review mentioned it. It like surges at 2k RPM, then sort of stagnates at 3k-4k RPM then surges again at high RPM. Kinda like the complaint people have with the torque dip of the FRS/BRZ, but it is obviously not as bad as that.
    I think I beat them to it in noticing this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeler8ing View Post
    I think I beat them to it in noticing this!

    My guess is, Mazda did this for fuel efficiency. Their data most likely suggest, like their data for the CX-9 demographic, that people will get on the throttle for a bit to pass, then will stop needing the extra power soon enough, probably at the 3k-4k RPM range. Basically, looks like this Mazda6 is very much developed to be a daily driver luxury cruiser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by finch204 View Post
    My guess is, Mazda did this for fuel efficiency. Their data most likely suggest, like their data for the CX-9 demographic, that people will get on the throttle for a bit to pass, then will stop needing the extra power soon enough, probably at the 3k-4k RPM range. Basically, looks like this Mazda6 is very much developed to be a daily driver luxury cruiser.
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    As an owner of a mazda 6 GT Reserve, I don't notice this 3-4krpm thing at all. The engine is quick to rev up to 2krpms, almost like it had electrical power to get it up there, but once you are there it pulls evenly until 5krpms. And yes, it will break traction in 2nd gear, even with traction control on. I've only been driving it for 2 days and have been taking it easy, but yeah...extremely happy with the car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cstclr View Post
    As an owner of a mazda 6 GT Reserve, I don't notice this 3-4krpm thing at all. The engine is quick to rev up to 2krpms, almost like it had electrical power to get it up there, but once you are there it pulls evenly until 5krpms. And yes, it will break traction in 2nd gear, even with traction control on. I've only been driving it for 2 days and have been taking it easy, but yeah...extremely happy with the car.
    What firmware are you running?

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    Good to hear.

    Nice feedback and welcome to Mazdas247
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bingoy View Post
    What firmware are you running?
    No idea. How would i know? And why does that matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cstclr View Post
    As an owner of a mazda 6 GT Reserve, I don't notice this 3-4krpm thing at all. The engine is quick to rev up to 2krpms, almost like it had electrical power to get it up there, but once you are there it pulls evenly until 5krpms. And yes, it will break traction in 2nd gear, even with traction control on. I've only been driving it for 2 days and have been taking it easy, but yeah...extremely happy with the car.
    I am tempted to trade in my '16 GT...... very tempting....
    The 2.5 engine is relatively flat/weak between 2-3Krpm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ceric View Post
    I am tempted to trade in my '16 GT...... very tempting....
    The 2.5 engine is relatively flat/weak between 2-3Krpm.
    Strong suit for 2.5 is above 3k
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    Quote Originally Posted by ceric View Post
    I am tempted to trade in my '16 GT...... very tempting....
    The 2.5 engine is relatively flat/weak between 2-3Krpm.
    Yes very tempting indeed...my CX9 with the 2.5T pulls strongly/evenly from 2k up to 4-5k rpms then tapers off after that but am sure way better than the NA 2.5L and is never flat/weak between the 2-3k rpms! Maybe that's the advantage of having the turbo... One time I floored it from dead stop at a light on the highway (in sport mode) and from 2krpm onwards I heard the turbo spool and kick in (with that subtle turbo whine) which was awesome! Left all the other vehicles behind btw (LOL)

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    If you compare them, Honda's 2.0T makes 252hp just because it revs to 6500rpm (peak) or higher.
    How often does one do that on the streets?
    Most drivers probably do not rev their engines beyond 4k rpm.
    Our 2.5T peaks at 5000rpm.
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