I am seeing a lot of stuff over the site here, it seems like oem filter and oil are best but the oil can be bought from other places than the dealer. Does anyone have the exact product number and place to buy or should I bite the bullet and go to the sealership?
Oil for the 2017
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our friendly site sponsor has oil change kits available with arguably one of the best oils on the market.
http://www.mazdaparts.org/mazda-oil-filter-moly-oil.html
If you get your order total to $100 you get free shipping.
agreed, some may argue it's a waste on money, but I'm going to stick with OEM moly oil that came with the CX-5......
the moly content is off the charts compared to other oils..... I'm up to 40,000 miles with no issues at all, always used Mazda filter and moly oil.
http://mazda3revolution.com/forums/2014-2017-mazda-3-skyactiv-engine-performance/54850-oil-used-2-5-2-0-skyactive-2.html
Source - Bobistheoilguy Oil Analysis postings.
Mazda's new oil is light but has a very impressive VI:
Mobil 1 5W-20
SAE Grade 5W-20
Viscosity @ 100C, cSt (ASTM D445) 8.9
Viscosity, @ 40C, cSt (ASTM D445) 49.8
Viscosity Index 160
Castrol Edge
SAE Grade 0W-20
Viscosity @ 100C, cSt (ASTM D445) 8.65
Viscosity, @ 40C, cSt (ASTM D445) 45.08
Viscosity Index 174
Compare this to the recommended high moly Mazda 0W-20:
Kinematic Viscosity at 100 degrees C (cSt) 8.3
Kinematic Viscosity at 40 degrees C (cSt) 35.0
Viscosity Index 225
Viscosity Index (VI) is an arbitrary scalar value that indicates the change in an oil’s viscosity with
changes in its temperature. A high Viscosity Index indicates less viscosity change when temperature increases, indicating better resistance to thinning, for a given oil and, likely better film strength retention under heat duress.
http://www.kittiwake.com/sites/defau... Dec12_0.pdf
Some of the additives (especially Moly) are off the scale compared to these other oils.
Mazda:
ZINC 842
MOLYBDENUM 664
BORON 266
Mobil1 0W-20
ZINC 787
MOLYBDENUM 54
BORON 73
Castrol Edge:
ZINC 852
MOLYBDENUM 107
BORON 113
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GJ-Molestor
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stay away from 0w20.
I use liqui moly 5w30 and it is much better then whatever crap was used in the past. motul is also very good stuff.
I use liqui moly 5w30 and it is much better then whatever crap was used in the past. motul is also very good stuff.
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There's nothing wrong with 0w-20, which many mfr's have been using for more than 5 years.
I add liqui moly additive to pennzoil ultra.
I add liqui moly additive to pennzoil ultra.
https://540ratblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/motor-oil-wear-test-ranking/
Also skip down to Sect 28. "Eight 0W20 Oils Tested and Compared"
I'll throw in this hard test data. It's a lot of work for nothing if this is all made up. Bottom line: molybdenum is no different than zinc. It can be part of an effective anti-wear package, or not, but xx ppm molybdenum is not necessarily an indicator of goodness, any more than 1800 ppm zinc.
Also skip down to Sect 28. "Eight 0W20 Oils Tested and Compared"
I'll throw in this hard test data. It's a lot of work for nothing if this is all made up. Bottom line: molybdenum is no different than zinc. It can be part of an effective anti-wear package, or not, but xx ppm molybdenum is not necessarily an indicator of goodness, any more than 1800 ppm zinc.
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Moly is only good for when the car is cold-cranked, and it's not like it's the ONLY additive out there that is, or even the BEST additive.
Not true.
Moly provides wear protection at all times and improves fuel economy by 1%.
It's expensive to add to oil, so not all oils have it, but Honda, Toyota and Mazda OEM oils are all fully of it for good reason.
Look at Mobil 1 AFE in the document colt linked.. it's cheap and it doesn't have moly and it provides poor wear protection.
Moly also inhibits low speed pre-igntion (LSPI)
GJ-Molestor
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using thinner oil is NOT a place where you want to try and be saving fuel. we all have been using 5w30 prior to the 0w nonsense for many years because the thicker oil provided superior engine protection.
I do agree with you however, that mobil 1 is a s*** oil.
I do agree with you however, that mobil 1 is a s*** oil.
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That may be true in general, but that doesn't mean that "ow20" is somehow deficient or less reliable in the long run. More protection which may be unecessary at what expense? Lower mpg? More pumping loss? More heat retention? Turbo cars come with ow20 and they spin tenfold and heat much more than the motor does.. (shrug)
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This is flat-out not true.
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I think he may be trying to say that some oils maintain higher viscosity at a higher temp... but that is an oil cooling issue not an oil issue..
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Low Speed Pre-Ignition (LSPI) has been discussed in this oil dilution thread:
2.5L Oil level fluctuation
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Messaged a buddy of mine. Makes a lot of sense. I know I REFUSE to use moly in a gun oil.
Guy works in the lubricant industry and fills government contracts, etc. Knows his way around addpacks.
Guy works in the lubricant industry and fills government contracts, etc. Knows his way around addpacks.
hmmm, interesting, didn't know this.... thx for info
so what are people using if not the Mazda moly oil ? Castro Edge 0W-20 ? I might switch to that 1/2 the price of the Mazda oil....
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My alternate oil is/was Pennzoil Platinum. It used to be plentiful at Walmart and at $23 for a 5 qt. jug it was quite a steal. Now they seem to be pushing Pennzoil 0w-20 synthetic blend, it's all over the place, PP is getting hard to find.
Your friend is talking about Moly disulfide, that's not what gets added to the oil.
AFAIK Moly Disulfide is not soluble in oil and it'll settle to the bottom of the container and shouldn't be added to oil.
The high moly oils that all major Japanese car-makers use as OEM oil (Subaru, Honda, Toyota, Mazda) all have
Molybdenum DialkyldiThioCarbamate (MoDTC)
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Firstly, Castrol Syntec mentioned was US market only synthetic oil a while ago offered by Castrol, but it doesn't exist anymore and got replaced by different Castrol Edge synthetic oil which is available worldwide.
Secondly, as piotrek91 pointed out, Mazda moly oil contains molybdenum which is different from "molybdenum disulfide", MoS2. MoS2 is an inorganic compound composed of molybdenum and sulfur.
Chevron Oronite, who develops and markets additives that improve the performance of fuels and lubricants, has made the following comment from the link posted earlier:
"Molybdenum compounds, for example, not only provide frictional benefits, but also have been shown to decrease LSPI when used at high levels."
The back label on Genuine Mazda 0W-20 GF-5 with Moly Engine Oil says:
" Formulated for use in Mazda automobiles especially those with SKYACTIV technology
Provided superior protection in all temperatures
Includes high levels of MOLYBDENUM (Moly) which reduces wear, especially at low temperatures where the anti wear agents are inactive
Improves fuel efficiency
Always follow original equipment manufacture's fluid recommendations
Meets requirements for API SN and ILSAC GF-5
Not to mention the real world UOA and the reviews from Bobistheoilguy Oil Analysis postings provided by blackcx5 all prove Mazda moly oil is one of the best oils available.
GJ-Molestor
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this, but the thinner oil does not provide as much engine protection at full operating temperature.
0w20 is only beneficial for temperatures at or below -20c.
