You could be right. Why bother. It's not like it's going to massively add extra sales
US Diesel's big splash introduction
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You could be right. Why bother. It's not like it's going to massively add extra sales
Wouldn't be a new design per se. Engine's been out since 2012/2013
Japanese company trying to get approval in an "America First' political environment? Small company without the $ to sufficiently grease the tracks of an already overburdened EPA to get testing done? EPA simply being a mess given the whole TDI fiasco, Trump attacking them etc?
Who knows? Wouldn't surprise me at all if something like and/or a mix of those scenarios were all part of the puzzle.
It's not really a 'new design'. It's been in use in one form or another for quite a few years around the world now. The urea exhaust treatment is relatively new (at least to Mazda, but not in general) but the motor itself is pretty safely established at this point.
And I'm pretty sure they've had test mules running around the US for a good while.
They may not be any public acknowledgement about giving up on introducing the diesel into the 6 but it's been so long it's pretty much dead and buried.
They're figuring on 10%. What are CX5 sales at per year? Add 10% to that doesn't seem like small potatoes.
Perhaps not small potatoes but at some point the increasing costs of getting approved may have made this venture not worth it in the end.
Not that it's not a 'small' cost but most of the $ in car options is in development/manufacturing, not approval. I also don't think the approval costs have 'increased'. If anything, it's now been amortized out (rlaugh)
Those figures are WAY OFF. Latest studies and stats show the car diesel sales in the USA are at 3% and dropping. (scratch)
I wish it wasn't but the CX5 diesel will be a disappointment in the USA. That's if it ever comes to the USA.
Just give the CX5 owners a turbo 2.5 gasoline and we will be happy with 310 FT.LBS of torque
Even less. So Mazda are thinking is it really worth it (uhm)
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Isn't the 2.5L 29/30mpg hwy (scratch)
I've been able to get an extract from the brochure re gear ratio for our version:
Quite possibly
No, it is comparing 2.2L to 2.5G hwy.
2.2L diesel might get around 38 MPG and delivers around 310 ft-lbs at low RPM
2.5G gets around 30 MPG and delivers around way less peak torque and at a higher RPM
I'm as disappointed with the diesel CX-5's no-show (and lack of communication from Mazda USA about the no-show) as the next guy, but let's not throw the diesel completely under the bus. In every review of the diesel- vs. gas-engined CX-5 in markets where both are available (e.g., UK, Australia, etc.), I've yet to see a tester not say that they MUCH preferred the diesel. It may not make economic sense for most customers (hard to say since we don't have a price yet) and dealing with DEF is a bit of a pain, but I have no doubt that the diesel, if it ever gets to the USA, will test out to be an overall nicer-driving car.
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OK.
So converting our figures (listed above) to US mpg:
2.2L diesel is 42.77mpg on the highway
2.5L gas is 36.75mpg on the highway
That's 3% overall, not 3% of each model that has a diesel engine offering.
3% is more than Mazda's total US market share. If they could even carve off 5% of that 3% diesel market share, that would still be a big boost to Mazda's market share.
3% is also more than the market share for hybrids. And more than for large cars. And convertibles - Mazda makes one of those.
