7eregrine
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- 2016.5 CX5
Headbang? I've asked you 3 times... (Headbang)I own a new CRV and an 05 Mazda.(headbang)
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Headbang? I've asked you 3 times... (Headbang)I own a new CRV and an 05 Mazda.(headbang)
I have to say your facts are not entirely correct either. All reviews have been commented that Honda CR-V has the most useful space area and the most storage area. Based on NHTSA data I researched recently for all 2016 compact CUV/SUV in the US, I noticed 2016 CX-5 has the most number of recalls at 4 and the most number of complaints at 82! Mind you 2016 CX-5 sold about one-third of units comparing to top 4 selling CUVs, this number of complaints means very significantly percentage wise!CRV's cargo space is largely on paper and due to the squaring off of the back hatch. This isn't the most useful cargo area (it's the last place people place items), and it also results in the ungainly styling back there. As for recalls, the CR-V has had 3 since model year 2013, all serious - airbag issues, engine bolts and brake mechanism - though only one affects a large number of people. The cx-5 has also had about 3, though only one was potentially serious (fuel filler bolt) and affected a good number of folks.
Buy what you want, but stick to facts. You'll come across more level headed.
2016 US Top 10 Compact SUV/CUVs NHTSA Data | Overall Ratings | Overall Front Star Rating | Front Driver Side | Front Passenger Side | Recalls | Complaints | 2016 Sales |
Honda CR-V | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 1 | 45 | 357,335 |
Toyota RAV4 | 5 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 2 | 50 | 352,154 |
Nissan Rogue | 4 | 4 | 4 | 3 | 2 | 34 | 329,904 |
Ford Escape | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 0 | 54 | 307,069 |
Chevrolet Equinox | 4 | 4 | 5 | 4 | 1 | 18 | 242,195 |
Jeep Cherokee | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 77 | 199,736 |
Subaru Forester | 5 | 4 | 5 | 4 | 1 | 36 | 178,593 |
Jeep Patriot | 4 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 25 | 121,926 |
Mazda CX-5 | 4 | 4 | 5 | 3 | 4 | 82 | 112,235 |
Jeep Renegade | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 2 | 44 | 106,606 |
Needed a new platform? You do realize the CRV is the best selling CUV in the states right? As a matter of fact its the best selling CUV of all time. It didn't need anything new it still would sell well. If Honda didn't redesign it for this model year and left it as it is it still would have outsold the 2017 CX-5 easily.
The CX-5 on the other hand is the one that needed an overhaul but didn't get one because Mazda doesn't have the money to develop new platforms, new engines or new transmission. Instead they continue with their 5 year old platform, engine and transmission and just give it some styling updates.
Right. So the fact that the previous gen CR-V will continue to sell well albeit in the US means its a very good car? So why does it perform so badly in automotive reviews worldwide? I guess it doesn't need any improvements in the new gen CR-V since it's so great right? As long as it sells well it must be a fantastic car and it makes you feel good you're amongst the bandwagon. Why does the CX-5 need an overhaul again? Is it because it is such an outdated and lousy platform? How old is the CR-V's platform again? It's like saying Mcdonald's sells more burgers than Hardee's from down the road because I'm sure their burgers are better.
"A rose between 2 thorns"
Those are pre-refresh CR-Vs, which were sold until 2014 and came with a 5 speed AT transmission. The rear looks especially ugly. In 2015 Honda did a refresh, which looked better and added a CVT. The 2017s look even better and are better in many ways.
If I were to buy now, the lack of Android Auto would be a great detractor for me.
A friend at work has an Accord with Android Auto and he said he like it a lot, did not complain about any issue. I also use Android Auto on the phone, with Bluetooth to the speakers only, and it is pretty good and getting better all the time. Unlike my infotainment, which only got one fix applied to it, Android Auto is polished all the time, gets new features and fixes applied constantly and for free.
Funny how you say the previous CRV 'performs so badly in automotive reviews' yet ended up winning Motor Trends SUV of the year?(it might even win it again) BTW you can find it in the 'Best SUVs' in nearly every auto website/magazine. And the reason they sell so well is due to Hondas reputation for reliability. You can see where Mazda's reliability stands by looking at chart above.
Funny how you say the previous CRV 'performs so badly in automotive reviews' yet ended up winning Motor Trends SUV of the year?(it might even win it again) BTW you can find it in the 'Best SUVs' in nearly every auto website/magazine. And the reason they sell so well is due to Hondas reputation for reliability. You can see where Mazda's reliability stands by looking at chart above.
...more alternative facts. I just looked up MT's SUV of the year. In 2017, the CR-V is not even a contender. Here are the finalists:
Audi Q7
GMC Acadia All Terrain
Jaguar F-Pace
Mazda CX-9
Mercedes-Benz GLC-Class
Tesla Model X
2016: It's... the Volvo XC90.
2015: Oh, there we go. In 2015, it was the CR-V. So you're right, it was MT's SUV of the year... 3 years and one different platform ago.
What's interesting is I'm trying to find the last year they even threw the CX-5 into the mix. Looks like they did in 2012 when it was brand new. The winner that year, the Mercedes GL! It's an odd matchup to say the least.
EDIT: Here's something amusing, MT did a more logical comparison last year of same class vehicles, crossovers. #1... the CX-5! http://www.motortrend.com/cars/mazda/cx-5/2016/small-crossover-comparison-big-test/
But since I don't want to be handing out my own alternative facts, I will point out that it compares the 2016.5 CX-5 and the 2016 CR-V.
The 2017 CR-V gets so many things right that it’s hard to imagine a more well-rounded package. We welcome any vehicle that might prove us wrong, but if this Honda represents the zenith of the compact crossover SUV, well, we could certainly live with that.
EDIT: Here's something amusing, MT did a more logical comparison last year of same class vehicles, crossovers. #1... the CX-5! http://www.motortrend.com/cars/mazda/cx-5/2016/small-crossover-comparison-big-test/
Very unlikely the 2017 CX-5 wins any awards as its essentially the same car with a couple of extra options. That and an extra 2HP.
What alternative facts? It is a fact that it won is it not? Who cares if it is a 2015? The 2015 and 2016 are essentially the same vehicle so its not going to win another award if its the same as the previous year. Also for 2017, keep in mind the CRV has only been out 3 months. Those other CUV's you posted have been out for a full year already, so its no surprise it didn't make the list.
One other thing to note, Car and Driver magazine awarded the 2017 Honda CRV best SUV in it's class:
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/best-compact-suv-honda-cr-v-2017-10best-trucks-and-suvs
Very unlikely the 2017 CX-5 wins any awards as its essentially the same car with a couple of extra options. That and an extra 2HP.