Any1 buy a 3 previously in an accident?

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Since they are repairing my 3 (10k in damage) Im looking to get a diminutive value check written to me since a car that has been in an accident IS worth less. Insurance doesnt like telling people that they do that but you do have to prove it.

SO....
You can help me fill out my case a little quicker if any of you have bought a previously wrecked 3. If you were able to haggle an amount off of their price and what the total price you paid for your car and when (with details about your car).

The DV could be as much as 2-4k depending on what proof I can give them.

Thanks guys.
 
print out a pricing estimate on kbb.com and show them the difference between "Excellent" and "Fair" condition, and tell them you want a check for the difference. $10,000 in damages seems very high, and i cant believe they are repairing it and not totallying it out.
 
Some fun repair info

ine Entry Labor Line Item Part Type/ Dollar Labor
Item Number Type Operation Description Part Number Amount Units
____ ______ _____ _________________ ___________________________________________ ____________________ __________ ________
FRONT BUMPER
1 002455 BDY REMOVE/INSTALL FRT BUMPER ASSY INC
2 004022 BDY REPAIR FRT BUMPER COVER Existing 5.0 *
3 REF REFINISH FRT BUMPER COVER C 2.5
4 004035 BDY REMOVE/REPLACE FRT BUMPER COVER GRILLE BR5V-50-1T0C 56.73 0.3
5 004038 BDY REMOVE/REPLACE FRT BUMPER REINFORCEMENT BAR BAY6-50-07Y 440.75 0.3 #
6 REF REFINISH FRT BUMPER REINFORCEMENT 0.8
HOOD
7 004310 BDY REMOVE/REPLACE HOOD PANEL BPYK-52-31XB 358.56 1.4
8 REF REFINISH HOOD OUTSIDE C 2.5
9 REF REFINISH ADD FOR HOOD UNDERSIDE C 1.4
10 004934 BDY REMOVE/REPLACE R HOOD HINGE B32H-52-410A 25.28 0.2 #
11 REF REFINISH R HINGE C 0.5
FRONT FENDER
12 000315 BDY REPAIR L FENDER PANEL Existing 1.0 *#
13 REF REFINISH/REPAIR L FENDER PANEL C 1.0 *

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14 MODIFIED REFINISH WITH FULL CLEAR COAT
FRONT INNER STRUCTURE
15 000334 BDY REMOVE/REPLACE FRONT BODY RADIATOR SUPPORT BP4K-53-110J 248.57 5.6 #
16 BDY CHECK/ADJUST HEADLAMPS 0.4
17 MCH REMOVE/REPLACE ADD TO R&R MECHANICAL COMPONENTS -M 1.2 #
18 MCH REMOVE/REPLACE EVACUATE & RECHARGE A/C -M 1.4
REAR DOOR
19 002534 REF BLEND R REAR DOOR OUTSIDE C 0.8
20 002560 BDY REMOVE/INSTALL R REAR OTR BELT MOULDING 0.2
21 001477 BDY REMOVE/INSTALL R REAR DOOR ADHESIVE MOULDING Existing 0.2 r
22 R&R Time Used in R&I Operation
23 002562 BDY REMOVE/INSTALL R REAR DOOR TRIM PANEL INC
24 002580 BDY REMOVE/INSTALL R REAR OTR DOOR HANDLE 0.7 #
ROOF
25 001657 BDY REPAIR ROOF PANEL Existing 3.0 *#
26 REF REFINISH ROOF PANEL C 2.7
27 004783 BDY REMOVE/INSTALL ANTENNA 0.6 #
28 002616 BDY REMOVE/INSTALL R ROOF MOULDING 0.3
29 002617 BDY REMOVE/INSTALL L ROOF MOULDING 0.3
QUARTER PANEL
30 001765 BDY REMOVE/REPLACE R QUARTER OUTER PANEL BNYF-70-410B 617.79 14.5 #
31 REF REFINISH R QUARTER PANEL OUTSIDE C 1.6
32 REF REFINISH R QUARTER PANEL EDGE C 0.5
33 REF REFINISH R ADD FOR PILLAR C 0.5
34 005205 BDY REMOVE/REPLACE R QUARTER AIR EXTRACTOR BS4N-51-920 27.11 INC #
35 001785 BDY REPAIR R QUARTER INNER PANEL -S Existing 1.0 *
36 001828 BDY REMOVE/REPLACE R UPR QUARTER TRIM PANEL BP4L-68-250G-77 100.02 INC
LIFTGATE
37 005542 BDY REMOVE/REPLACE LIFTGATE SHELL BRYV-62-02XF 756.73 4.9 #
38 REF REFINISH LIFTGATE OUTSIDE C 1.6
39 REF REFINISH ADD FOR LIFTGATE INSIDE C 1.0
40 001949 BDY REMOVE/REPLACE R LIFTGATE HINGE D350-62-210B 17.05 0.2 #
41 REF REFINISH R HINGE C 0.5
42 005096 BDY REMOVE/REPLACE LIFTGATE LATCH BP4L-62-310D 132.58 INC #
43 001961 BDY REMOVE/REPLACE LIFTGATE EMBLEM BP4K-51-730A 32.65 INC
44 001963 BDY REMOVE/REPLACE LIFTGATE NAMEPLATE BP4K-51-710A 14.54 INC
45 001965 BDY REMOVE/REPLACE LIFTGATE ADHESIVE NAMEPLATE BN8V-51-721A 12.38 0.1
46 001995 BDY REMOVE/REPLACE LWR LIFTGATE INNER TRIM PANEL BP4K-68-960J-02 152.33 INC
REAR BODY
47 002133 BDY REMOVE/REPLACE REAR BODY PANEL B32H-70-750E 291.00 4.2 #
48 REF REFINISH REAR BODY PANEL C 1.6
49 REF REFINISH ADD FOR EDGE & INSIDE 0.8
50 003990 BDY REPAIR REAR BODY FLOOR PAN Existing 4.0 *#
51 INCLUDES TIME TO CUT ACCESS HOLE FOR RAIL REPAIR
52 REF REFINISH/REPAIR REAR BODY FLOOR PAN 0.8 *
53 002158 BDY REPAIR R REAR BODY SIDEMEMBER ASSEMBLY -S Existing 1.0 *#
54 REPAIR TIME AFTER PULL
55 REF REFINISH/REPAIR R REAR BODY SIDEMEMBER ASSEMBLY -S 0.5 *
56 002209 BDY REMOVE/REPLACE REAR BODY TRIM PANEL BP4K-68-89XB-02 66.88 INC
57 002230 BDY REMOVE/REPLACE CTR REAR BODY PARTITION BOARD B32H-68-8F0D 166.86
REAR BUMPER & LAMPS
58 800314 BDY REMOVE/REPLACE REAR REPLACE BUMPER Used/Recycled 525.00 * INC #

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59 AUTO REF REFINISH REAR BUMPER C 2.3
60 TRIPLETT GREG QUOTE 5456001 800-822-5555
61 LINE MARKUP %25.00 131.25
62 800320 BDY REMOVE/REPLACE REAR LICENSE LAMP Used/Recycled 0.2
REAR LAMPS
63 003809 BDY REMOVE/REPLACE R REAR COMBINATION LAMP ASSEMBLY BR5S-51-150C 196.72 INC
64 003829 BDY REMOVE/REPLACE R BACKUP LAMP ASSEMBLY BAP8-51-3F0 136.56 INC #
REAR BUMPER
65 002361 BDY REMOVE/REPLACE R REAR BUMPER COVER RETAINER BP4K-50-2H1D 14.89
ADDITIONAL OPERATIONS
66 REF ADD'L OPR CLEAR COAT 4.8
ADDITIONAL COSTS & MATERIALS
67 ADD'L COST PAINT/MATERIALS 500.00 *
68 ADD'L COST HAZARDOUS WASTE DISPOSAL 5.00 *
MANUAL ENTRIES
69 900500 BDY* REPAIR SOUND DEADENER PADS Sublet 20.00 * 0.0 *
70 900500 FRM* REPAIR SETUP & MEASURE Existing 2.0 *
71 setup for frt & rear unibody
72 900500 FRM* REPAIR UNIBODY/FULL FRAME PULL & SQUARE Existing 3.0 *
73 FRONT UNIBODY PULL
74 900500 FRM* REPAIR UNIBODY/FULL FRAME PULL & SQUARE Existing 3.0 *
75 REAR UNIBODY PULL
76 900500 BDY* REMOVE/REPLACE 4 WHEEL ALIGNMENT Sublet 69.95 * 0.0 *

* - Judgement Item
# - Labor Note Applies
C - Included in Clear Coat / Three Stage Calc
r - CEG R&R Time Used For This Labor Operation

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ESTIMATE RECALL NUMBER: 4/13/2010 16:33:55
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Estimate Totals
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


Add'l
Labor Sublet
I. Labor Subtotals Units Rate Amount Amount Totals II. Part Replacement Summary Amount
_____ ______ ______ ______ ___________ ____________
Body 49.6 42.00 0.00 20.00 2103.20 T Taxable Parts 4460.93
Refinish 28.7 42.00 0.00 0.00 1205.40 T Parts Adjustments 131.25
Frame 8.0 45.00 0.00 0.00 360.00 T Sales Tax @ 6.750% 309.97
Mechanical 2.6 60.00 0.00 0.00 156.00 T
Total Replacement Parts Amount 4902.15
Taxable Labor 3824.60
Labor Tax @ 6.750% 258.16


Labor Summary 88.9 4082.76


III. Additional Costs Amount IV. Adjustments Amount
___________ ____________
Taxable Costs 505.00 Insurance Deductible 0.00
Sales Tax @ 6.750% 34.09
Customer Responsibility 0.00
Total Additional Costs 539.09



I. Total Labor: 4082.76
II. Total Replacement Parts: 4902.15
III. Total Additional Costs: 539.09
Gross Total: 9524.00

IV. Total Adjustments: 0.00
Net Total: 9524.00


Point(s) of Impact
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6 Rear Center (P)



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BASED ON DAMAGE VISIBLE OR CERTAIN AT THE TIME IT WAS WRITTEN.

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AFTER THOSE REPAIRS.

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DURING THE COURSE OF REPAIRS CONTACT PROGRESSIVE FOR SUPPLEMENT
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PS ill send the kbb and nada differences but insurance companies only use that when it benefits them...hopefully my findings may benefit some of you in the future.
 
my '07 3 was fixed with 10k worth of damage as well, final cost was 8.5k because I decided to let the guys use some used parts, like the door and stuff, but yeah my car doesn't run the same and I know my car isn't worth s*** anymore.
 
This is an interesting read about diminished value on a used car. There are several scenarios on the link below.

2. What about my seven year old car worth $8,000 before the accident? They repaired it with NON-OEM parts. Both the insurance adjuster and the collision repair guy stated that this restored my car as it was before the accident. I think that they should pay because I have read that those parts were not as good as ones that came with my car. They should have used only the OEM parts. What do you think?

Dr. Settlement's answer:

Before we get too much further, let's explain exactly what those initials mean. OEM stands for Original Manufacturer's Equipment. And thus, when referring to NON-OEM parts, one is referring to copycat parts, usually made overseas, without the permission or instruction of the original manufacturer.

First, it is hard to tell without knowing the mileage on your vehicle, what kind of wear your existing parts had, and also what kind of parts the shop replaced. In an eight year old car, it is common that many parts have not yet failed, but they are nearing their useful life. Plus, with a vehicle of that age, you cannot argue that the use of NON-OEM parts will void the manufacturer's warranty (as WOULD BE THE CASE with a newer car still under warranty).

So you may not have begun the repair process with a vehicle that deserved OEM parts because of its age before the accident. While it is true that there are a number of studies proving that the foreign made replacement parts are inferior to OEM parts, those studies compared "new" versus "new". There is little doubt that NEW foreign replacement parts will be superior to OEM parts on an eight year old vehicle.

In your case it is hard to say for sure, but let's just use examples of some common replacements. What if the collision repair shop had to install a new alternator, a new starter motor, a new thermostat, a new large snake belt, a new air conditioner compressor, etc.?

Usually, if the car is a lot newer than yours, we will insist on getting strictly OEM parts as replacements. But with the age of your vehicle and its average annual mileage, your parts were likely nearing or beyond their expected useful life. So you could not really expect the insurance company to improve your position by installing new OEM parts. In that case, they can come back and exact cash for improving your position; this is called "betterment".

Here is another example of betterment: consider the case of two worn tires that were ruined in an accident. Many times adjusters will insist on a betterment charge when they have to put brand new tires on a vehicle in place of worn tires with little remaining life.

But if you got NEW imitation parts, even though that would be a true improvement in most cases involving older vehicles such as yours, there would not be any betterment charge. The adjuster has no basis to charge you for betterment, inasmuch as he would not be able to prove it.

So, in the absence of more information, with a car over eight years old, it will be more difficult to prove diminished value. The older the vehicle and the less the pre-accident fair market value, the less the market is going to punish you for an accident that was repaired with NON-OEM parts. That is justice since many cars that age already have such replacement parts in use.
http://www.settlementcentral.com/page0454.htm

What year is your car and how much would it be worth prior to the damage?

More info here http://www.settlementcentral.com/page0455.htm
 
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Thanks nate.

I pretty much have progressive in a good position as good as a guy without an attourney can. I used to rebuild wrecks, I know the frame damage, I have photos, i even have photos since it was pulled that shows its nowhere near where it should look, its straight, but wrinkled with holes where it were crunched. I also had looked at another 3 before buying this one, saw the carfax report where it had been rear ended, immediately the dealer knocked his price from 12999 to 11200 for an 06 S hb with moonroof\6cd 32k miles, very clean and well maintaned car. I also got writtem documentation from the dealer where I had just bought the car where the manager estimated a 20% loss from what I paid if he were trying to sell it with frame damage history on the report.

ps, mine was an 08, interior was flawless (driver seat was only seat that looked like it was touched, even the trunk had no wear, not even the look of vacumming lines, exterior was perfect, one previous local owner, maintenence records.

Touring with leather\6cd\moonroof\auto

between kbb and nada she retails for 15200-17100.

I should easily be able to hammer out a 15% diminutive on the much lower value that I paid (yes that value should be irrelevant) Im requesting a check for 2250 after the repairs.


We shall see.
 
You had to have signed something at some point to say it was complete and ok though right?
 
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