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It's Time For A Rebellion, Better Yet A Revolution Against The Stearlership!
Ok people, all my mazdaspeed 6 owners, and probably speed 3 owners as well. It's time for all of us to come together and rise up against this company and I mean it. We pay too much money for these vehicles to not be given the time of day when Mazda is 100% at fault here. THAT FAULT IS THE DAMN SMOKE COMING OUT OF THE TAILPIPE. The smoke is blueish, and it smells like burning oil because IT IS BURNING OIL and in my situation and i'm sure 1000's of many others, the factory turbo seals are to blame.
This is what is happening: I bought the car with low mileage. I never really noticed anything with the factory exhaust. That is because there are 2 cats on the downpipe and a couple more on the exhaust before the smoke exists the vehicle and by this time it has been filtered quite a bit. The first mod I did was a magnaflow cat back. At this point I started to see the blueish white puff start to roll out, when my car is idling, or sitting for a few minutes. I'll explain why this happens during idling in minute. I would then have to drive the vehicle for a half a mile and somewhat get on it, to blow it all out of the system and then everything was fine. Then I changed the downpipe to the cp-e with cat 3 inch.
Now just so you guys understand, the performance hasn't been hindered due to this smoke. The car performs excellent. With the cp-e 3inch the smoke takes less time to accumulate when the car is sitting and idling, and it is much more apparant. When I took the stock downpipe off and installed cp-e one yesterday, I put 2 + 2 together. You have to remove the factory intercooler when you install the downpipe, and when I did, there it was. A pool of oil sitting in the exit side side of the intercooler, right before the throttle plate.
PLEASE SEE THE PICTURE I TOOK BELOW. The only way for oil to get here in a pressurized system is for it come from the charge point which is the turbo. The oil is actually exiting the turbo seal on the compressor side, going through the turbo and then the intercooler, to the engine. I am actually boosting oil. I know this for sure because the hotside of the turbo is dry, the inside of the factory downpipe is dry and not dark, so it has to come from the compressor side. Also, the fact that there is such a short amount of distance or travel between the turbo and the throttle/intake, the oil is going to get in the cylinder's very easily.
I'm sure with a front mount setup which has many more feet of plumbing and tends to go against gravity in most situations, the smoke will not be noticeable, because the oil will not make it very far past the exit side of the front mount intercooler due to most piping going vertical at this point, and if it does it will not be collected but much more misted oil, not having a major effect on the smoking.
Now just so you guys understand, the smoke happens during idling and not driving because the oil isnt being broken up and boosted into the motor in small amounts, hence (misted). Technically, it is still burning while you are driving but not enough where you can see it. Idling on the other hand requires very low pressure, or vaccuum, so the oil is kept together as it makes its way into the engine, almost like a river affect, and not mist affect like when under boost. I hope this makes sense.
So all in all, THE FAILURE IS THE FACTORY TURBO SEALS. I would like everybody to chime in who have had this happen to them, pop off your intercooler, its only 2 hose clamps and a few mounting bolts, and check the exit side of the intercooler for oil. The entrance may have a bit as well obviously. If others have had dealerships give them a hard time, please reply. If others have had dealerships fix this problem for them, please give the name and address and phone number of the dealership and provide names of employees if possible.
I AM BUILDING A CASE CONTAINING ALL OF THIS LITERATURE, OTHER POSTS, PICTURES I HAVE TAKEN, BEFORE I GO TO THE DEALERSHIP AND HAVE THEM CORRECT THIS, SO I DON'T HAVE THEM DENY ME SERVICE DUE TO AN INTAKE, DOWNPIPE AND EXHAUST, WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DUE WHY OIL IS EXITING THE TURBO. I'D LIKE TO THANK THE MAZDA COMMUNITY FOR YOUR TIME AND DEDICATION AND HAVING AND THIS MAZDA FORUM FOR CREATING THE PLATFORM WHERE WE CAN ALL COME TOGETHER TO HELP EACH OTHER.
Ok people, all my mazdaspeed 6 owners, and probably speed 3 owners as well. It's time for all of us to come together and rise up against this company and I mean it. We pay too much money for these vehicles to not be given the time of day when Mazda is 100% at fault here. THAT FAULT IS THE DAMN SMOKE COMING OUT OF THE TAILPIPE. The smoke is blueish, and it smells like burning oil because IT IS BURNING OIL and in my situation and i'm sure 1000's of many others, the factory turbo seals are to blame.
This is what is happening: I bought the car with low mileage. I never really noticed anything with the factory exhaust. That is because there are 2 cats on the downpipe and a couple more on the exhaust before the smoke exists the vehicle and by this time it has been filtered quite a bit. The first mod I did was a magnaflow cat back. At this point I started to see the blueish white puff start to roll out, when my car is idling, or sitting for a few minutes. I'll explain why this happens during idling in minute. I would then have to drive the vehicle for a half a mile and somewhat get on it, to blow it all out of the system and then everything was fine. Then I changed the downpipe to the cp-e with cat 3 inch.
Now just so you guys understand, the performance hasn't been hindered due to this smoke. The car performs excellent. With the cp-e 3inch the smoke takes less time to accumulate when the car is sitting and idling, and it is much more apparant. When I took the stock downpipe off and installed cp-e one yesterday, I put 2 + 2 together. You have to remove the factory intercooler when you install the downpipe, and when I did, there it was. A pool of oil sitting in the exit side side of the intercooler, right before the throttle plate.
PLEASE SEE THE PICTURE I TOOK BELOW. The only way for oil to get here in a pressurized system is for it come from the charge point which is the turbo. The oil is actually exiting the turbo seal on the compressor side, going through the turbo and then the intercooler, to the engine. I am actually boosting oil. I know this for sure because the hotside of the turbo is dry, the inside of the factory downpipe is dry and not dark, so it has to come from the compressor side. Also, the fact that there is such a short amount of distance or travel between the turbo and the throttle/intake, the oil is going to get in the cylinder's very easily.
I'm sure with a front mount setup which has many more feet of plumbing and tends to go against gravity in most situations, the smoke will not be noticeable, because the oil will not make it very far past the exit side of the front mount intercooler due to most piping going vertical at this point, and if it does it will not be collected but much more misted oil, not having a major effect on the smoking.
Now just so you guys understand, the smoke happens during idling and not driving because the oil isnt being broken up and boosted into the motor in small amounts, hence (misted). Technically, it is still burning while you are driving but not enough where you can see it. Idling on the other hand requires very low pressure, or vaccuum, so the oil is kept together as it makes its way into the engine, almost like a river affect, and not mist affect like when under boost. I hope this makes sense.
So all in all, THE FAILURE IS THE FACTORY TURBO SEALS. I would like everybody to chime in who have had this happen to them, pop off your intercooler, its only 2 hose clamps and a few mounting bolts, and check the exit side of the intercooler for oil. The entrance may have a bit as well obviously. If others have had dealerships give them a hard time, please reply. If others have had dealerships fix this problem for them, please give the name and address and phone number of the dealership and provide names of employees if possible.
I AM BUILDING A CASE CONTAINING ALL OF THIS LITERATURE, OTHER POSTS, PICTURES I HAVE TAKEN, BEFORE I GO TO THE DEALERSHIP AND HAVE THEM CORRECT THIS, SO I DON'T HAVE THEM DENY ME SERVICE DUE TO AN INTAKE, DOWNPIPE AND EXHAUST, WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DUE WHY OIL IS EXITING THE TURBO. I'D LIKE TO THANK THE MAZDA COMMUNITY FOR YOUR TIME AND DEDICATION AND HAVING AND THIS MAZDA FORUM FOR CREATING THE PLATFORM WHERE WE CAN ALL COME TOGETHER TO HELP EACH OTHER.
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