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The difference in Consumer Reports' numbers is less dramatic. Amazing that the 6 gets the same overall fuel economy as the Camry despite being over a half second quicker to 60 AND having 2 fewer gears. Camry: 32, 20, 49 (overall, city, hwy) Accord: 31, 21, 42 Mazda6: 32, 22, 44

For 85-90% of sedan buyers who neither need nor want "more performance", no I'm not kidding you.

Since 85+% of buyers opt for the base engine, how is offering a "performance option" a significant selling point? I hold to my assertion that the 6's "class" consists of the competition's base engines, not their engine upgrades which the vast majority car buyers do not opt for. Of course they...

Wrong. The Accord 2.0T and Camry V6 are not in the same class. I'm talking base engine mid size sedans which 85+% of sedan buyers buy. Mostly wrong. The Accord 1.5T is on par, but you'd have to live with the god-awful exterior styling. The Camry 2.5 is significantly slower at 7.9 seconds...

Are you kidding? The only reason I passed over several other good American-made sedans is because the 6 is among the quickest in its class yet also among the most fuel efficient and best-handling. That's a huge selling point to me that I think doesn't get communicated to the average sedan...

They probably just haven't received their allotment of 2017.5's yet.

I too hate the Atlas design but I'd rate the Subaru above average.

But at least it doesn't say (yet) the turbo will be limited to the Signature trim.

And now there's the RX 350L to join the fray and provide additional resistance to the CX-9 moving upmarket. https://www.autoblog.com/2017/11/29/2018-lexus-rx-350l-rx450hl-7-seat-37514/#slide-7165332

Interestingly Autoblog doubts Subaru's published total cargo volume figure and says it looks as large as the average competitor. https://www.autoblog.com/2017/11/29/2019-subaru-ascent-deep-dive-15-fast-facts/

Externally it's big but total cargo volume, like the CX-9, is about 15% less than most of the competition and over 25% less than the Atlas and Traverse. If that's high on your list.

Yes that's exactly why. Car and Driver said this when the Durango had its 5-speed replaced with an 8-speed in 2014 but had no other powertrain changes. The five-speed AWD V-6 Durango we tested in 2011 clocked 0-to-60 mph in 8.2 seconds and covered the quarter-mile in 16.4 at 88 mph. The...

The 6 will be at a significant disadvantage with its 6-speed auto since the Camry has an 8-speed and the Accord a 10-speed. On the other hand the 2018 Sonata gets no advantage out of its 8-speed with a leisurely 0-60 of 6.8 seconds, just a few tenths ahead of our naturally-aspirated 6.

The CX-9 and Sorento have about the same amount of cargo volume on paper. 71 vs 73 cu ft overall, 38.2 vs 38.8 behind the 2nd row, and 14.4 vs 11.3 behind the 3rd row. For comparison the 2018 Traverse, which they say is fully class competitive again, has a third more volume overall, 50% more...

True, but at least they make it look halfway decent with a symmetric winged look. And it doesn't hang below the suspension putting it at risk of damage. That's how the Explorer gets 50% more volume behind the third row than the CX-9 and more than most other crossovers, even more than the...

My goodness, you sure beat me. On sheer word volume and hyperbole. I scanned your post, I don't have the time to fully read it and I certainly don't have the time to type out point by point rebuttals. My last post was the longest I've written in.... a long time. A few quick points though. I...

I personally don't see many, but I know my coworker tows a camper with her Explorer and I know from the Explorer and Durango forums that plenty of people tow stuff with theirs. I personally like the ability to tow a big utility trailer if I ever needed to, or maybe tow a friend's small boat to...

Ha ha, good luck asking Joe Lunchbox to "query CR on their data collection methods and the manner in which they establish their empirical findings." I'm guessing they look at CR's overall reliability rating and in the CX-9's case it's a big CON in their Pros / Cons list. I'm not defending CR...

Whoa dude, simmadownna, I didn't assign the rating. US News also gave the nod to the Pilot over the CX-9. https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/mazda-cx-9-vs-honda-pilot FWIW Some of their complaints which I agree with and which crossed it off my shopping list are 1) low tow rating 2) cramped...

No it doesn't. For example, Consumer Reports ranks it 11th in midsize SUVs in overall score, 6th in road test score, and rates its predicted reliability poor. That's only 2 spots above the 7 year old Explorer design (which I just bought). Granted that doesn't seem to hurt the Explorer's sales...