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Thinking of buying a CX-5 but I have some questions first.

7eregrine

The man, the myth, the legend
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Land of Cleve
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2016.5 CX5
That's good, but I feel like we need to wait 3+ years to get an honest handle on it. Everyone said the Gen 1's had good resale back when I bought in 2015. Well. They don't. They are bottom of the class except for the Nissan Rogue, comparing 2014-2015 against other vehicles in its class.
What are you smoking?

Coming in right behind the CR-V’s resale value is the*Toyota RAV4, which Edmunds says holds onto 48.6 percent of its purchase price over five years. The*Subaru Forester*retains 47.1 percent of its value and the*Ford Escape*has a 45.7 percent resale value over five years. The*Nissan Rogue*and*Mazda CX-5*round out the top five compact SUVs for resale value, holding onto 43.5 and 43.2 percent of their original purchase prices,*

That was 2014. 6% less then RAV4. Come on now. Hardly terrible. 7% less then CRV.
 
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CX5 GT-R
I realize that posting on this forum, I wasn't expecting people to say "don't buy this car, it's a lemon!"

Some people here are full of it regarding how amazing the CX5 is in their opinion. Some of us are overly critical of it for what it is. I own being t he latter. Part of that is that I don't really like it. I bought it because I needed an AWD vehicle that was reliable and good on gas. I literally drove my JGC to the dealer that offered me the most on trade, and found something I could live with on their lot, and did the deal. I could have done far worse, but I have no passion for my CX5. It's a tool. A good, reliable, effective one, but my hear isn't in it.
 

7eregrine

The man, the myth, the legend
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Land of Cleve
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2016.5 CX5
And besides all that...raise your hand if "Resale Value" was a deciding factor in your purchase decision. Anyone?
 
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CX5 GT-R
What are you smoking?

Coming in right behind the CR-V’s resale value is the*Toyota RAV4, which Edmunds says holds onto 48.6 percent of its purchase price over five years. The*Subaru Forester*retains 47.1 percent of its value and the*Ford Escape*has a 45.7 percent resale value over five years. The*Nissan Rogue*and*Mazda CX-5*round out the top five compact SUVs for resale value, holding onto 43.5 and 43.2 percent of their original purchase prices,*

That was 2014. 6% less then RAV4. Come on now. Hardly terrible.
I simply used KBB trade value, which is what the dealers here use. Don't believe me? You can log on yourself and play with it. That said, you do mirror what I said. It's totally the bottom of its class, I was wrong by 0.2%. It's literally the worst.
 

7eregrine

The man, the myth, the legend
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Land of Cleve
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2016.5 CX5
I simply used KBB trade value, which is what the dealers here use. Don't believe me? You can log on yourself and play with it. That said, you do mirror what I said. It's totally the bottom of its class, I was wrong by 0.2%. It's literally the worst.
You said bottom of it's class. The list I posted .. it's at the bottom of the best in class. You know there's a lot more in the class then those 5. Jeep? Kia? Hyundai? Chevy?
 
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CX5 GT-R
You said bottom of it's class. The list I posted .. it's at the bottom of the best in class. You know there's a lot more in the class then those 5. Jeep? Kia? Hyundai? Chevy?


Okay, it's worse than a Nissan Rogue. I'm not sure "Special Olympics Champion" is a title I'll squabble for.

You win. It's not the worst. Just slightly worse than the Rogue.
 

7eregrine

The man, the myth, the legend
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Land of Cleve
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2016.5 CX5
*Raises hand*.

Why wouldn't it be? Or is this a "last ride" for you? If so, why this?

LITERALLY my first post on this board:

https://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?123848617-new-CX5-owner-with-questions&highlight=
Because this is not imortant to me. You can't fathom that? First off this is the first new car I've ever bought, so resale has never before been a thought in my head. And it's not now. I don't even understand why that would be important to someone. Looks are #1 for me. Followed by fun to drive. Then utility. And reliability. That's all I care about. I should by a car I don't love as much just because in 5 years I might get an extra grand for my CRV? Dumb ass reason to buy a car IMO.
 
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CX5 GT-R
Because this is not imortant to me. You can't fathom that? First off this is the first new car I've ever bought, so resale has never before been a thought in my head. And it's not now. I don't even understand why that would be important to someone. Looks are #1 for me. Followed by fun to drive. Then utility. And reliability. That's all I care about. I should by a car I don't love as much just because in 5 years I might get an extra grand for my CRV? Dumb ass reason to buy a car IMO.
I can't relate to you. You bought a CUV and your top to reasons are "Looks and fun to drive". So yeah, you're right. I cannot fathom your processes, nor will I try.
 

yrwei52

2016 Mazda CX-5 GT AWD w/Tech Pkg. Plano, TX
Contributor
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Plano, Texas, USA
We are considering getting a GS AWD with no packages.
There're differences between Canadian CX-5 GS and US CX-5 Touring. For 2018, US CX-5 Touring comes with more features than 2017, including 19" wheels and most i-ActivSense tech standard.

What we had questions on:

-Storage Space/Cargo room: To me, this is the biggest sticking point.
Most reviews have mentioned it, CX-5 has smaller cargo room and storage space. But coming from Toyota Matrix you shouldn't be worried too much about it.

-Backseat/Family:
Back seat room is a little smaller than others, and some have mentioned the front driver and passenger would have to move their seat a little forward to accommodate a rear-facing child seat right behind them. The other thing if you care is during the NHTSA safety test, rear passenger protection performed a little disappointed which caused 2017/2018 CX-5 NHTSA safety ratings stays at 4-star overall.

-Cylinder deactivation: It sounds very good in theory.
To me it sounds not good even in theory. Mazda added this feature without any prior notice to its 2018 SkyActiv-G 2.5L lineup. Nothing new on technology but it carries bad reputation for long-term reliability since 1980's when GM introduced it. Honda also uses the cylinder deactivation in its V6 but they settled a class action lawsuit for its 2010~2013 3.5L V6 with Variable Cylinder Management, which has been experiencing engine misfire, excessive oil burning and premature spark plug fouling issues.

Meanwhete, the EPA fuel economy ratings on 2018 CX-5 improved only 1 mpg for FWD, and 0 mpg for AWD overall!

-Infotainment system Part 1:
Not sure on 2018, but we haven't spilled anything on infotainment system controls for our 2016 CX-5. I only saw one report here so far for such incident.

-Infotainment system Part 2:
Slowness? No AA and ACP? These're something you've to live with it. But Mazda's Connect is good enough for me and many others.

Yeah CX-5 with current SA-G 2.5L is just a compact CUV for most families. Acceleration is still among the best in the same class. You can't compare it with your Toyota Matrix.

Mazda i-Activ AWD is an excellent system for winter driving but it comes with some fuel economy penalty.

-Winter Part 2:
In very cold winter such as in Canada many new 2nd-gen CX-5 owners had experienced severe vibration issues during startup and driving. Mazda claimed it's caused by new hydraulic engine mounts and the revised mounts should be on the way.

-Servicing/Costs of Maintenance:
This's true that the maintenance cost on Mazda CX-5 is a little higher with more expensive synthetic oil and relative shorter maintenance interval. But it shouldn't be a concern as long as the vehicle is reliable.

-Reliability: With the recent news of the airbag recall, our enthusiasm was a bit tempered. Consumer reports rated Mazda around 12th out of 27** (right around Nissan, which I'm not sure is great considering the garbage reputation I always hear about Nissan and their CVT transmission in particular). Do you think the rating is accurate? Have you had more or less problems with the car than what you were expecting?
Discard the airbag recall as it only affects a few CX-5's. As for reliability rating from Consumer Reports I believe it's legit as it's based on the experience of thousands of subscribers. When I purchased our 2016 CX-5 the reliability rating on Mazda from CR is #4 for 2 consecutive years and that's one of the reasons we bought it at the time. The drop on reliability rating would be my concern but this rating can change for 2018 and future MYs.

-Accessories:
Most people would get excellent cargo cover. I personally would also get fog lights although they may not be useful for foggy condition.

Sorry for the long post, I just want to be thorough with the questions.
shadonoz in the previous post said the best, no car will be perfect for you in every way and we'll have to settle for some compromises. You definitely have done plenty of research, and still the final decision is on you.

PS: Antoine approved this.
(uhm)
 
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yrwei52

2016 Mazda CX-5 GT AWD w/Tech Pkg. Plano, TX
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Plano, Texas, USA
Does it try to use a different cylinder each time? My understanding of other failures with this tech is when same cylinder(s) are always used in the deactivation algorithm.
It doesn't, and you're right. GM, after years of fixed 4-cylinder deactivation on V8, only now introduces new and improved Skip Fire system by Delphi. The engine can run on 1 cylinder, if needed, up to 8. Different cylinders are fired next ignition cycle.
No, Mazda uses traditional technology of shutting down two outside cylinders when conditions are met, through controllable hydraulic lash adjusters.
Thanks for the info as I didn't aware GM has just introduced "new-and-improved" Skip Fire system by Delphi. It sounded better as it disables different cylinders in turn. But it also increases complexity further for very minimum fuel economy gain. Cylinder deactivation is something I really don't want.
 

7eregrine

The man, the myth, the legend
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Land of Cleve
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2016.5 CX5
And then there are those of us who are sure that, just like everything else, the technology has improved to the point where the problems of the past have been worked out and there is zero reason to believe Mazda or Ford will have issues with this tech.
 

yrwei52

2016 Mazda CX-5 GT AWD w/Tech Pkg. Plano, TX
Contributor
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Plano, Texas, USA
Thanks! Perhaps it will be different with Mazda.....I personally wouldn't be comfortable with it. Too many friends and family with issues with this tech from other automakers.
I agree. But I don't see anything would be different from Mazda's cylinder deactivation system based on its released documents. In fact I aborted my plan getting a new 2018 CX-5 because of sudden-introduced cylinder deactivation as I always keep my vehicle for as long as I can.

Like others have mentioned, waiting to see 2019 Toyota RAV4 with new 203/206hp naturally-aspirated、direct- and port-injected Dynamic Force 2.5L I4 and Direct Shift-8AT 8-speed automatic. Fuel efficiency should be the best among all compact CUVs, with always the best reliability rating to boot.
 

yrwei52

2016 Mazda CX-5 GT AWD w/Tech Pkg. Plano, TX
Contributor
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Plano, Texas, USA
And then there are those of us who are sure that, just like everything else, the technology has improved to the point where the problems of the past have been worked out and there is zero reason to believe Mazda or Ford will have issues with this tech.
If you're referring to cylinder deactivation, what is the new tech Mazda has implemented to overcome the drawbacks on CD? It would take several years to show the symptom. Honda's class-action lawsuit involved as late as 2013 model year. Even GM is giving up the old design on CD and using more dynamic design as mentioned above.
 

7eregrine

The man, the myth, the legend
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Land of Cleve
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2016.5 CX5
Hell if I know. I don't know anything about cylinder deactivation. Never said I did. I believe in technology advancing. I just have a very hard time believing Mazda is willing to risk the CX-5, the best selling Mazda world wide, on something so "risky". If the CX-5 tanks, Mazda tanks. If they weren't dead set sure about it, it wouldn't be here today. That's good enough for me.
I'm an optimist, brother. Always have been.
 

7eregrine

The man, the myth, the legend
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Land of Cleve
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2016.5 CX5
I can't relate to you. You bought a CUV and your top to reasons are "Looks and fun to drive". So yeah, you're right. I cannot fathom your processes, nor will I try.
And I can't relate to you "I'll just buy the cheapest thing I can find that's reliable". Never in my life have I said that about a car. Nor will I ever. Life's too short to drive an appliance. But I respect your choice.
My issue with you is your attitude that you're right. You know it all. You're inability to understand everyone is different. Our motto around here, thanks to our esteemed Aussie friend: each to thier own.
"Fun to drive" means different things to different people.
I do appreciate that you bring a different perspective to the group. I just wish you'd use "IMO" more often. [emoji1][emoji106]
 

7eregrine

The man, the myth, the legend
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Land of Cleve
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2016.5 CX5
Wife's out of town. I could be driving this all weekend. 40 more hp. 50 more ft lbs. Turbo. Convertible. The most nimble steering feel of any car I've ever owned. It hasn't moved since she left. I love it. It's fun to drive, too. But given the choice I always pick the CX-5.
What does that tell you, op? [emoji16]
 

gce

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2018 CX-5 GT FWD Premium
And besides all that...raise your hand if "Resale Value" was a deciding factor in your purchase decision. Anyone?
"Hand down" because my last 2 cars I owned for 15 years each. So I don't think resale will be a factor.
 

shadonoz

SkyActiv Member
Contributor
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State of Jefferson
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2017 CX-5 GT AWD+
I realize that posting on this forum, I wasn't expecting people to say "don't buy this car, it's a lemon!"
Nobody will ever say it's a lemon, cause it's not! But some people come here to bitch unconstructively about this or that.

Just one thing: don't ever let the noisiest opinions corrupt your decision making process.
 

shadonoz

SkyActiv Member
Contributor
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State of Jefferson
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2017 CX-5 GT AWD+
My issue with you is your attitude that you're right. You know it all. You're inability to understand everyone is different. Our motto around here, thanks to our esteemed Aussie friend: each to thier own. ...
I do appreciate that you bring a different perspective to the group. I just wish you'd use "IMO" more often. [emoji1][emoji106]
Ahem. Brings to mind one of my dear departed mother's old sayings: "that's the pot calling the kettle black". (potkettle
 

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