Anyone consider a used Luxury SUV for the price of a new CX-5?

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CX5 GT-R
Picking up a 2020 Signature tonight. The only luxo that had my eye was the (used) Macan; in the end, I decided I'm just too cheap to deal with Porsche future costs. (Can't be that cheap, buying a 38k msrp Mazda, but you know what I mean...)
Base Macan is going to cost a TON more than a CX5T to own, and performance on paper isn't very different, although I'm sure it's better balanced, but how hard are you REALLY pushing this class of vehicle vs. how much you want to spend to maintain it?
 
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2019 Mazda CX-5 GTR
I went for a CPO luxury vehicle (2006 M-B CLK 350) back in 2009. Got the car with 20,000mi on it and CPO warranty to 100k mi. I owned the car till 109,000mi.

I never made it through a single OCI without and unscheduled service/repair. Every 5k miles or so, I'd receive a check engine light for a new issue. QAt 109,000, just after the CPO warranty ran out, the CEL came on yet again and was diagnosed as a worn balance shaft in the engine........ Estimate $8,000 to replace.

Some research online showed this to be a somewhat common issue. After much back and forth, M-B picked up $6k of the fix. I traded the car in 2 weeks after it was fixed, NEVER again will I buy a high end German vehicle.
 

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I went for a CPO luxury vehicle (2006 M-B CLK 350) back in 2009. Got the car with 20,000mi on it and CPO warranty to 100k mi. I owned the car till 109,000mi.

I never made it through a single OCI without and unscheduled service/repair. Every 5k miles or so, I'd receive a check engine light for a new issue. QAt 109,000, just after the CPO warranty ran out, the CEL came on yet again and was diagnosed as a worn balance shaft in the engine........ Estimate $8,000 to replace.

Some research online showed this to be a somewhat common issue. After much back and forth, M-B picked up $6k of the fix. I traded the car in 2 weeks after it was fixed, NEVER again will I buy a high end German vehicle.

It's unfortunate, but stories like these pop up far too often on my radar. A friend of mine owned a CPO Audi A4 Quattro for a couple of years and had a similar experience. He traded it in and has since moved to leasing his vehicles. Currently leases a BMW 3-series that rarely gets driven because he's moved to a career that provides a company car. Because of his experience with the Audi, he says that he will never again own a German vehicle.
 
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2016 Mazda, CX-5 GT
In the past we've owned 2 BMW 335i's and one 535i. At around 70K miles if you keep them that long be prepared to get your wallet out often and pay a lot. Our neighbor has an Audi A5 and it's even worse.

Our 2016 CX5 GT has over 117K miles on it. Other than maintenance items haven't put a dime into it. It still drives great and, handles well.
 
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2020 CX-5 GTR
I originally thought we would get a CPO X3 but I've been burned on used Germans in the past - had an Audi TT which was an absolute nightmare. I then had my heart set on a 2019 CPO Acura RDX A-Spec (is Acura even considered luxury?) but even with 20K miles, price was about what a new GT Reserve went for.....really nice to look at but wasn't that fun to drive. The CX-5 to me feels more fun than the RDX - probably due to higher torque despite giving up some HP. Happy I went with the Mazda.
 

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I have considered a BMW X3 and a RX350. The X3 is a great vehicle but, the high maintenance kills it for me. The RX350 drives nice and is luxurious is you can stand the snide comments about the front end styling. I have and enjoyed my 2014 CX5 and hope to buy a new 2022 CX5 unless the competition does something miraculous. ED
 
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2019 MX-5 Miata
I then had my heart set on a 2019 CPO Acura RDX A-Spec (is Acura even considered luxury?) but even with 20K miles, price was about what a new GT Reserve went for.....really nice to look at but wasn't that fun to drive. The CX-5 to me feels more fun than the RDX - probably due to higher torque despite giving up some HP. Happy I went with the Mazda.

The differences aren't really significant unless you're competing, but technically the CX-5 turbo accelerates and brakes faster than an RDX A-Spec in all metrics according to Car and Driver instrumented testing.

Although Acura does have some unique platforms and powertrains in their lineup, they're closer to a higher trim level of Honda than a competitor to a true luxury brand.

My biggest reservation with Acura is that their initial quality has fallen to the bottom of the list next to Chrysler (!) and their long-term dependability is now below the industry average along with Honda.

I bought a new 2019 Acura RDX Advance that I had to dump at a big loss after 3.5 months because of problems. Unfortunately, the vehicle that replaced it, a 2019 Honda Ridgeline RTL-E was even worse. After a 15-year run with 11, mostly-good Hondas, it became painfully clear that the Honda of today is far removed from the Honda of the 80s and 90s that I grew to love. They've got big problems with both quality and customer service and seem to have realized and admitted to it last year, but I hope it's not too late.

After years of buying and advocating Honda vehicles, Mazdas have replaced the Hondas in my garage.
 

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The differences aren't really significant unless you're competing, but technically the CX-5 turbo accelerates and brakes faster than an RDX A-Spec in all metrics according to Car and Driver instrumented testing.

Although Acura does have some unique platforms and powertrains in their lineup, they're closer to a higher trim level of Honda than a competitor to a true luxury brand.

My biggest reservation with Acura is that their initial quality has fallen to the bottom of the list next to Chrysler (!) and their long-term dependability is now below the industry average along with Honda.

I bought a new 2019 Acura RDX Advance that I had to dump at a big loss after 3.5 months because of problems. Unfortunately, the vehicle that replaced it, a 2019 Honda Ridgeline RTL-E was even worse. After a 15-year run with 11, mostly-good Hondas, it became painfully clear that the Honda of today is far removed from the Honda of the 80s and 90s that I grew to love. They've got big problems with both quality and customer service and seem to have realized and admitted to it last year, but I hope it's not too late.

After years of buying and advocating Honda vehicles, Mazdas have replaced the Hondas in my garage.

I read the entire thread that you had linked from RidgelineOwnersClub in a previous post. IMHO, you gave them every opportunity possible to make it right. It was surprising to see that they essentially left you in the cold with a wet blanket. I've owned a few Hondas (91 Accord, 99 Accord V6 and currently an 06 Civic DX), and they have all been pretty bulletproof, but I can't see myself buying a new Honda any time soon.

If the GT Reserve or Signature was available when I was shopping, I would have cross-shopped it with a 2-3 year old SQ5. It would have been a hard decision. Buying the CX-5 brand new means you take the hit on depreciation, while the CPO SQ5 has already depreciated a fair amount. On the flip side, Audi's reputation for reliability and expensive repairs isn't great, especially once you're out of warranty. IMO, peace of mind is important, so I think I would have ended up in a CX-5.
 
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2020 CX5 signature
The differences aren't really significant unless you're competing, but technically the CX-5 turbo accelerates and brakes faster than an RDX A-Spec in all metrics according to Car and Driver instrumented testing.

Forget technically. Unless there was something way wrong with the 2019 RDX I drove, the CX-5 seems to have near instant power delivery from a stop (maybe the bigger 2.5 or maybe that fancy adjusting exhaust/turbo thingy) Downshifting, either manually or mashing the gas, seems super responsive with the CX-5 turbo also
 
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2019 MX-5 Miata
Forget technically. Unless there was something way wrong with the 2019 RDX I drove, the CX-5 seems to have near instant power delivery from a stop (maybe the bigger 2.5 or maybe that fancy adjusting exhaust/turbo thingy) Downshifting, either manually or mashing the gas, seems super responsive with the CX-5 turbo also

Hehe! :) I'm not married to any one manufacturer - they don't pay my bills or give me free cars (for more than week at a time, anyway). I have owned and driven a lot of different vehicles. Having owned an RDX and now a CX-5, I can't deny that the RDX is a step above the CX-5 in most every category. The interior materials are better in the RDX. The audio system is far superior in the RDX. The exterior design is more upscale on the RDX. The CX-5 is a bit more economical. In terms of performance, they are very similar in a straight line and while braking. The RDX's dual-clutch, overdriven, torque-vectoring AWD system is undeniably superior to the CX-5's single-clutch AWD system with an open rear differential when cornering, but the vast majority of compact SUV owners will never drive under conditions where such differences become apparent.

Both the RDX and CX-5 (when running 93 octane) are very fun to drive in a spirited manner (as far as modestly-priced, compact SUVs are concerned). For $10K less than an RDX and arguably better reliability, the CX-5 is a very compelling package.

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Base Macan is going to cost a TON more than a CX5T to own, and performance on paper isn't very different, although I'm sure it's better balanced, but how hard are you REALLY pushing this class of vehicle vs. how much you want to spend to maintain it?
you're right. I would not have gone with the base if I'd purchased a Macan, so the difference would have been even greater. I'm happy I stayed practical, but... would like to own 1 Porsche before shuffling off this mortal coil...
 
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2017 Mazda CX-5 GT, 2016 Mazda6 iGT, 2014 Mazda3 sGT hatchback
I owned a '98 BMW 540iA for 9 yrs before dumping it for $9k.
If you ever think about owning (not leasing) a German luxury vehcile,
1. Don't buy it. Lease it.
2. Don't think about buying it at the end of lease.

After the first 4 yrs, I spent about $2k on average to keep the 540iA up and running. I got to know service advisors on first name basis. Entire cooling system was replaced on three repairs after being stranded on roadside three times..... Unforgettable experience. And, that was just 50% of the all the problems.

Now, 3 Mazdas in my house (Mazda3,Mazda6,CX5). Might add a CX30 soon for daughter.
Owned a '08 CX9 before trading it in for Mazda6.

I was a Honda/Acura owner before. Integra, Odyssey, Accord and Civic.
Yes. Honda/Acura reliability is slipping.

Just watched an internal video from Acura corporate to their dealers. The executives admit that reliability is one of their key focuses going forwards.
 
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2020 CX-5
I had a chance to take my Cayman S out on road course for a high performance driving experience. The instructor leading the cars around the course drove a Macan, one of the twin turbo models. I was struggling in a sports car to keep up the pace the instructor was setting in a SUV. Of course the instructor was professional driver who had done probably thousands of laps on this course. I don't know what the maintenance costs of Macan are; an oil change and routine annual service on the Cayman comes close to $500.

you're right. I would not have gone with the base if I'd purchased a Macan, so the difference would have been even greater. I'm happy I stayed practical, but... would like to own 1 Porsche before shuffling off this mortal coil...
 
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I'm considering a new or slightly used CX5 Turbo vs a 2017/18 Acura RDX CPO, right now.

The RDX is not as much fun to drive but the interior is more upscale, and the RDX has a pretty great V6 279HP engine, which I think I prefer over the turbo for longevity, I keep cars a long time.

The RDX Tech package also has much better stereo than the CX5. A CPO 17/18 RDX with Tech package with low mileage can be bought for around 27/28K, I drove one with 9K miles on it last weekend. Acura's CPO warranty sounds pretty darn good

The CX5 feels more youthful than the RDX. The RDX is more roomy. I like the handling better and the more simple dash on the CX5. I have also read that the seats are uncomfortable on longer trips on the CX5, which might be a deal killer. I am also concerned about the loss of power issue in cold weather on the CX5 turbo, which might be the biggest deal killer, I live in MI

Decisions Decisions????