Alternator going bad?

mazdadude

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'16.5 Mazda CX-5 Touring
The other day, the battery light came on when I started car, light went away after I warmed it up, and revved it a few times.

Today, battery light came on, and would not go off after warmed up and revving like before, so I measured voltage and it was 12.3v engine off and 11.3 running.

I charged battery to 12.5 volts and headed to store to get new alternator, when the voltage shot up to 13.3 on the way driving to the store. The battery light was then off.

Alternator going bad?
 
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2017 Mazda CX-9 GT, 2015 Mazda CX-5 GS/Touring
I would have a load test done on the battery first - any auto parts store will do it for free. If the battery checks out, replacing the alternator would be a safe bet.
 
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2003 Mazdaspeed Protege
Does sound like a possible alternator issue,
Always check for obvious first like loose cables and corrosion.
 

Keno1542

Yellow Jacket
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Mazda MP3
The auto parts stores will also check the alternator for free as well, but it sounds like you may have a voltage regulator problem if the voltages are fluctuating like that.
 
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2008 Mazda5 Grand Touring; 2009 Honda Fit Sport/Nav MT
I would have a load test done on the battery first - any auto parts store will do it for free. If the battery checks out, replacing the alternator would be a safe bet.
+1

How old is the battery?? Do you have any issues cranking? If the battery is old and it takes more cranks than usual for the engine to turn, I would lead towards battery. Luckily you can get that tested for free :)
 

mazdadude

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'16.5 Mazda CX-5 Touring
ok, did the full check for all connections, corrosion, etc., passed all visuals.

Starter cranks over fine, no lag or slowness ever.

The battery is a high end DRY CELL battery made by odyssey, and is only ~4 years old.

I charged the battery at 1.5 amps for 5 hours, started and took for a 15 min drive and no battery light ever during test drive... hmmmm...
 

mazdadude

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'16.5 Mazda CX-5 Touring
I like how the internal voltage regulator/brush assembly is the same cost as a rebuilt alternator! ARGH!

Ok, I found a new voltage reg and brush assembly for $65. I will be doing a rebuild.
 
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mazdadude

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'16.5 Mazda CX-5 Touring
Replaced the brushes and regulator assembly.

Bearing was still rolling perfect, and diodes/rectifier tested fine, soldered new regulator assembly in.

Back charging 100% again! YAY!



I might not have a warranty, but I saved $100-150 over a reman.





Here is the video that I watched prior to the rebuild. http://youtu.be/qOo0iSnmwP4
 
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2017 Mazda CX-9 GT, 2015 Mazda CX-5 GS/Touring
Easiest way. With the engine running remove the negative battery terminal. If the car still runs, it's the battery If the car dies, it's the alternator.

The battery is really only there to start your car, unless you have some massive sound system or hydraulics.
Never do this! This trick used to work in the old days before vehicles were controlled by computer. Your vehicle uses power from the battery because it's clean and consistent. Power from an alternator is not clean not consistent and an alternator is not designed to carry the full electrical load of the vehicle. When you pull a cable off of the battery with the vehicle running, you can fry the voltage regular and other electronic components such as the PCM/BCM/ECU, etc.

Power from the battery is constantly used - not only when starting.
 

thaxman

Mazda5 the Anti-Van
SO a rebuild did it? How's your battery now? I've been through 3 in 4 years, and when I bought it after 3 years on the road, my car had already had the OEM battery replaced, so at least 4 in 7+ years.
Is it possible that a f'd alternator could be killing the batteries prematurely?
 

mazdadude

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'16.5 Mazda CX-5 Touring
SO a rebuild did it? How's your battery now? I've been through 3 in 4 years, and when I bought it after 3 years on the road, my car had already had the OEM battery replaced, so at least 4 in 7+ years.
Is it possible that a f'd alternator could be killing the batteries prematurely?
Yes I am back to 14.0 volts at idle!

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The 5 second cranking power of Odyssey batteries is double to triple that of equally sized conventional batteries, even when the temperature is as low as - 40 C. Also, with simple constant voltage charging (alternator or independent charger), there is no limitation on the inrush current, so the user is assured of a fast charge.
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These cars are very hard on batteries, after having 3 in 3 years I went with the ODYSSEY battery. The Mazda5, having the electric steering, doesn't help things either. As I monitor the voltages when driving and turning on different features like defroster, or high beams, etc. I notice that the voltage does drop for 2 seconds until the PCM reacts and readjusts the voltage regulator. So maybe the fact that the system is a bit lagging it puts additional stress on the battery.

In my case, my alternator would work when engine was hot, but not work when it was cold. So if you had a failing alternator, and did a lot of short trips where the alt was not getting hot enough to charge, that would put a lot of stress on battery as well. However if it was not charging, you would/should have the "BATT" indicator light illuminated on the dash.

After a week of certified repair, I will go ahead and perform an autopsy on the old reg/brush assembly and see if I can locate the failure.
 
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phunky.buddha

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2009 Mazda5 Sport
Replaced the brushes and regulator assembly.

Bearing was still rolling perfect, and diodes/rectifier tested fine, soldered new regulator assembly in.

Back charging 100% again! YAY!

Here is the video that I watched prior to the rebuild. http://youtu.be/qOo0iSnmwP4
Haven't watched your linked video yet... but I don't know why I never thought to rebuild my own alternators- I do work in the electronics industry after all, I should have the skills to rebuild one. Where did you source your parts? Any thoughts on increasing the charge current on your alternator? I'd like to wind one to have more capacity...
 

mazdadude

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'16.5 Mazda CX-5 Touring
Haven't watched your linked video yet... but I don't know why I never thought to rebuild my own alternators- I do work in the electronics industry after all, I should have the skills to rebuild one. Where did you source your parts? Any thoughts on increasing the charge current on your alternator? I'd like to wind one to have more capacity...
Amazon for the part. There are some options if you want to increase the amperage, but I just wanted stock.
 
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2008 Mazda5 Grand Touring; 2009 Honda Fit Sport/Nav MT
Awesome find/fix mazdadude. This is very intriguing as I know nothing about it. Learned something new today, I think it’s time to call it a weekend :)
 

bbrf033

07 CX-9 GT
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Mazda CX-9 07, smart fortwo, 2008 M3 Sedan
Only four?

ok, did the full check for all connections, corrosion, etc., passed all visuals.

Starter cranks over fine, no lag or slowness ever.

The battery is a high end DRY CELL battery made by odyssey, and is only ~4 years old.

I charged the battery at 1.5 amps for 5 hours, started and took for a 15 min drive and no battery light ever during test drive... hmmmm...
I've never had a battery last four years. Not even high end agm. Not saying that the battery is or isn't part of the problem, but.... I have a saying about batteries (and tires).... No harm in replacing before they are shot.
 

mazdadude

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'16.5 Mazda CX-5 Touring
I've never had a battery last four years. Not even high end agm. Not saying that the battery is or isn't part of the problem, but.... I have a saying about batteries (and tires).... No harm in replacing before they are shot.
Funny to see a 5 year old post revived from the dead, but I do have some info for you.

The battery was (is) a special ODYSSEY battery. They are unlike the "typical" car batteries, and have a sevice life of 6-10 years instead of the usual 3-4 years.

A cool thing to note is that I sold off this car in early 2014, however I happened to see this same Mazda5 for sale again on craigslist this last summer. I thought seriously about re-buying it, so I contacted the owners, (the same ones I had sold it to), it still had the same Odyssey battery in it.
(eek2)
 

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