Thanks for the info folks! Reason I wanted to know was because I wanted to take the rims off my p5 and trade it ini with stockies on it. Turns out that one of the rims was bent by the bastard company storing my car since I am in Iraq. So now my wife is running around trying to get the rim fixed, and talking to her about cars is like talking to me about window treatments for the house, it just ain't happening! Hopefully it'll work out, otherwise I'll have to work on it when I get home in a few months. Thanks again guys!