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james_95
06-20-2012, 01:33 AM
So Iím in the market for a new vehicle and for my exact requirements Iíve only found 2 vehicles that fit the billÖthe CX-5 and the Mitsubishi Outlander Sport. A local dealer has the exact CX-5 build I want so I went and test drove it, loved it! I told the guy I couldnít do anything till I at least checked out the Outlander Sport (to give it a fair shot) although I had every intention of picking it apart. I went and test drove it and as much as I wanted to NOT like it, I really didnít think it was that bad. I like the CX-5 more and thatís what I would choose if all things were equal but Iím torn. With the Outlander Sport (RVR) I can save 2k-4k depending on the options and a much better warranty. How do I convince myself to spend the extra money for a vehicle that IMO, on 2 short test drives, is only slightly better?

Is there anyone else here that was considering the Outlander Sport but chose the CX-5, why?

Anyone have more time behind the wheel of both and can give there honest opinion?

For all you that are heavily bias towards the CX-5, help me convince myself to spend the extra money :)

Thanks,
James

rmac
06-20-2012, 02:58 AM
I like the CX-5 more and that’s what I would choose if all things were equal but I’m torn. I think you just answered your own question there that you like the cx5 more. If this is going to be a long term vehicle, I'd get one that I like the most. I would choose the cx5 because it looks better (imo), higher seating position, better fuel economy, better handling (more fun to drive), doesn't have a CVT transmission, better quality interior, and did I mention it doesn't have a CVT transmission? :)

nizzy1115
06-20-2012, 07:13 AM
Before buying my wifes kia sorento we had every intention of buying an outlander sport. We test drove one twice at 2 dealers. Price is right but interior space is much smaller and it was really slugish with 3 passengers and that cvt transmission. Also the outlanders sport will likely have many more things go wrong with it.

jeremy44
06-20-2012, 09:08 AM
i test drove the Mitsu as well before, but the interior quality and fun to drive factor was severely lacking from the looks it suggest it might be

stromdriver
06-20-2012, 10:02 AM
i was all gung ho for the outlander sport, i just test drove the cx5 to 'rule it out' but it didn't work that way, it rode better, handled better, and got noticebly better mileage...which was a shame because like you said could get it equally equipped for less money, and honestly, even though i like the way the cx5 looks, the outlander sport is totally badass looking....

but what killed it for me was that stupid non-opening sunroof (with its catpiss yellow leds.....) and the slightly more sluggish acceleration, and the lesser mpg over the exact same long mixed driving course i took them on

Jcanracer
06-20-2012, 01:32 PM
CX5 all the way. Better engine, better fuel economy, better interior space, better handling.
Only plus for the Outlander is that its been on the market longer so they dont have the new car gremlins like we do with our shaky driver side mirror or occasional seat upholstery clips that the dealers might have a fix for soon.

I used to own a Pajero (USDM version = Montero) and had nothing but problems with it, my parents each have newer Monteros as well. So in full disclosure, I am not a fan of Mitsubishi unless we're talking about an Evo and I intend to be at the performance shop getting repaired or tuned once a month :-s

CX-SV
06-20-2012, 01:52 PM
No question, never seriously considered Outlander, did consider Escape 1.6L or 2.0L turbos. No CVT's in my garage.

CX-SV
06-20-2012, 01:59 PM
but what killed it for me was that stupid non-opening sunroof (with its catpiss yellow leds.....) and the slightly more sluggish acceleration, and the lesser mpg over the exact same long mixed driving course i took them on

Wasn't aware of the non-opening sunroof, that would be deal-killer for me too. I eliminated the Evoque for same reason.

nyctravis
06-20-2012, 04:40 PM
The sunroof doesn't open??? Yikes-I didn't know that. That would drive me crazy.

to the OP, USNews summed it up nicely with this statment regarding handling/driving: "Rather than being fast and agile, the Mitsubishi Outlander Sport is underpowered, has sloppy handling and has a loud continuously variable transmission (CVT)."

In addition to what others have said (such as better gas mileage, etc), consider another factor: reliability. To me that is something that people often overlook carelessly. Although the CX-5 is very new and reliability can't yet be quanitfied, Mazda has an excellent reputation for reliability (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2012/02/subaru-most-reliable-brand-overall-in-consumer-reports-list/1#.T-I0E5FZmfk). The Outlander Sport, however, hasn't fared so well (http://www.edmunds.com/mitsubishi/outlander-sport/2012/reliability.html).

plemieux
06-20-2012, 04:55 PM
Test drive the Honda CR-V. The EX model is similarly equipped as the CX-5 Touring and the pricing is pretty close. I test drove both and liked both. Went with the CX-5 because I liked the bigger touch screen (CX-5 has the 6") and the CR-V is like 3.5" and no touch screen. It is however, a nice color screen that displays enormous amounts of info about the car and your media. MPG is within 1.

Honestly wish I had gone with the Honda. It seemed more spacious inside, and it has a heck of a lot more storage bins. Also came with a standard sunroof. Have to pay extra for that in the Mazda.

Also, it's a Honda, so reliability is top notch.

Aviboy97
06-20-2012, 05:13 PM
Test drive the Honda CR-V. The EX model is similarly equipped as the CX-5 Touring and the pricing is pretty close. I test drove both and liked both. Went with the CX-5 because I liked the bigger touch screen (CX-5 has the 6") and the CR-V is like 3.5" and no touch screen. It is however, a nice color screen that displays enormous amounts of info about the car and your media. MPG is within 1.

Honestly wish I had gone with the Honda. It seemed more spacious inside, and it has a heck of a lot more storage bins. Also came with a standard sunroof. Have to pay extra for that in the Mazda.

Also, it's a Honda, so reliability is top notch.

Why do you wish you went with the Honda? I can tell by your signature you are not happy with the CX-5.

speedtrader
06-20-2012, 05:27 PM
Hondas are not necessarily more reliable. My 2001 Mazda Protege with 142K miles had zero repairs other than normal wear and tear such as fluids, tires, belts, hoses, brakes, etc. My 2006 Civic with 52K miles already had a busted sun visor, 2 recalls (water pump and wheel bearings), 2 dead batteries, a failed window regulator, a failed starter.

I believe the differences in reliability between most automakers are marginal. The small differences mostly depend on luck even if the owner keeps up on maintenance.

plemieux
06-20-2012, 06:01 PM
Why do you wish you went with the Honda? I can tell by your signature you are not happy with the CX-5.

A combination of a lot of things. Mostly a really really lousy buying experience at the dealer and still a lack of ownership or customer service or willingness to do anything to address my concerns. But also some issues and observations that cropped up and I noticed after a few weeks of driving. (things you don't notice in a 5 min test drive)

Experiencing the hood and mirror vibrations that others are reporting on the forum. Also experienced the driver and passenger bottom seat cushions coming apart that have also been talked about. The front dash trim around the start button is really thin plastic that flexes a lot when you push the button. I wish the door panel was made out of the same soft touch material as the dash (no armrest on that hard plastic.) The paint, while it looks great, is not durable at all. The car had several scratches from the dealer (it was a dealer transfer) that I did not notice until I got home the day of delivery and the dealer was unwilling to do anything about it. They blamed the other dealer and chalked it up to shipping and handling. The tires were overinflated (42psi which is something else members have reported) and there was still pieces of the plastic film over the wheels that are used to protect them during transport. Also, the windshield washer fluid was completely empty at delivery. It's like they didn't even complete the pre-delivery checklist on my car. When I asked for a copy of it to verify I was denied. Basically i've been treated like shit at this dealer which has soured my opinion on Mazda and unfortunately the car as well.

I've had very good experiences with Honda over the last 5 years and now i'm wishing I had stuck with them.

Oh well, when I filled out the survey's from Mazda I voiced everything in that and when it asked what does "Zoom-Zoom" mean to you I wrote "regret."

Nodnerb
06-20-2012, 06:19 PM
Seriously? Tire pressue is one factor turning you off from Mazda? I think you expect too much, personally.

plemieux
06-20-2012, 06:25 PM
Seriously? Tire pressue is one factor turning you off from Mazda? I think you expect too much, personally.

sorry if I wasn't clear, actually it was...


A combination of a lot of things.

Jcanracer
06-20-2012, 06:37 PM
WOW I would say that you are nitpicking, except that I know the dealership makes all the difference in the world. That's why I bought mine from a Mazda dealership close to where my sister lives 200 miles away from me... they were just so darn nice to me when I bought her Mazda3, I came back and bought the CX5 for myself one week later.

plemieux
06-20-2012, 07:08 PM
WOW I would say that you are nitpicking, except that I know the dealership makes all the difference in the world. That's why I bought mine from a Mazda dealership close to where my sister lives 200 miles away from me... they were just so darn nice to me when I bought her Mazda3, I came back and bought the CX5 for myself one week later.

you're probably right...

that guy asked so I spoke.

just think the Mitsu guy should have fun and test drive lots of stuff.

i did. it was fun driving everything.

CX-SV
06-20-2012, 07:14 PM
Yes, a poor dealer experience can sour viewpoint. Around here I would not tolerate it, given 2 or 3 Mazda dealerships are nearby, not including the one that I bought from being 30 miles away. Suggest a switch to another dealership, fast.

plemieux
06-20-2012, 07:18 PM
I actually want to test drive the 13 Escape with the 1.6 turbo. Although most reviewers are still picking the cx-5 over the 13 Escapes. Curious to see how the turbo drives.

CX-SV
06-20-2012, 07:42 PM
I actually want to test drive the 13 Escape with the 1.6 turbo. Although most reviewers are still picking the cx-5 over the 13 Escapes. Curious to see how the turbo drives.

It would be cheaper to just switch (Mazda) dealers.

I will drive the 2013 Escapes later this summer, the 1.6L and 2.0L turbos are very interesting. Both should be quicker than CX-5 but neither will match fuel efficiency of CX-5. Not sure of 1st year quality with these, based on Ford's well-documented record with the all new 2011 Ford Explorer.

nyctravis
06-20-2012, 07:45 PM
I agree a bad dealer experience can really sour things. It almost did for me, but then I realized that once I was done with the dealer I could take it anywhere after that and I didn't have to deal with them anymore. I've been able to separate my dealer experience with the vehicle itself and it's made all the difference. In the end, it's only me (or you) that suffers.

Perhaps try separating your feelings for the dealer from the CX-5 itself and give it another go. If you really can't stand it, I'm sure you could sell your CX-5 for top dollar given how in demand they are now. But I'd give it a fresh start first if you can. Just my 2 cents.

plemieux
06-20-2012, 07:53 PM
Both should be quicker than CX-5 but neither will match fuel efficiency of CX-5. Not sure of 1st year quality with these, based on Ford's well-documented record with the all new 2011 Ford Explorer.

Thought the 1.6L got 33mpg hwy? That beats all except CX-5 manual. I could be mistaken.

The ecoboost engine is the highest selling engine in their F-Series trucks and that's what these are.

You're right about the Explorers tho i have read about their troubles.

hmm....

CX-SV
06-20-2012, 08:03 PM
Thought the 1.6L got 33mpg hwy? That beats all except CX-5 manual. I could be mistaken.

The ecoboost engine is the highest selling engine in their F-Series trucks and that's what these are.

You're right about the Explorers tho i have read about their troubles.

hmm....

The 33 highway mpg for front wheel drive 1.6L is not official although I think they will hit that highway number (only the 1.6L AWD stats are out and they are lower than CX-5 AWD) and most likely the city and combined ratings will officially be lower than equivalent CX-5.

The truck V6 engines have almost no similarity to Escape 4's, except they are turbo-charged too.

plemieux
06-20-2012, 08:07 PM
i stand corrected

ALafya
06-20-2012, 11:36 PM
These are the official numbers for the Escape 13':
2.5 FWD: 31/22
1.6 FWD: 33/23
1.6L AWD: 30/22
2.0L FWD: 30/22
2.0L AWD: 28/21

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymake/Ford2013.shtml

The problem is their excessive price, especially for AWD. Also, I would not trust the EPA rating too much with this EcoBoost, good chance you will get the lower end of the range.

Aviboy97
06-21-2012, 10:59 AM
It seems that the dealer experience was the main cause, among other things. I would have refused to pick up the car is that happened.

It's funny you mention some quality issues when one of the cars you owned and "kinda miss" (Element) also had a lot of poor ownership experiences due to cheapness. While Honda reliability is top notch, no doubt, I have found them to become really cheap over the past decade or so. My family has had 2 Accords (2004 & 2008) that were not nearly as well put together as the first two they owned (1991 & 1995). Too many squeaks, misaligned components and down right poor leather. But, hey...no car is perfect!

I hope your ownership experience gets better.

Aviboy97
06-21-2012, 11:00 AM
These are the official numbers for the Escape 13':
2.5 FWD: 31/22
1.6 FWD: 33/23
1.6L AWD: 30/22
2.0L FWD: 30/22
2.0L AWD: 28/21

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymake/Ford2013.shtml

The problem is their excessive price, especially for AWD. Also, I would not trust the EPA rating too much with this EcoBoost, good chance you will get the lower end of the range.

Any reason to doubt the EPA ratings with EcoBoost Escapes?

james_95
06-21-2012, 06:06 PM
Thanks for helping me spend my money - I decided to go with the CX-5 for a few reasons. With further research, I found there are a lot of unhappy Outlander Sport owners (although with the CX-5 being so new, there may be a lot of unhappy CX-5 owners in the next year or two...who knows) over getting much lower MPGs than expected. Also, those uncomfortable seats in the Outlander Sport are another big one. I know everyone hates on the CVT but with my short jaunt up the street and back I really didn't think it was all that bad. I'm sure with more time and maybe some freeway action I'd probably grow to hate if like many other do (or at least I'm telling myself that to further justify spending more on the CX-5 (thought) Now it's just a matter of trying to shave a few bucks on the sticker. This dealer near me has the one I want and I know they're pretty much selling at sticker but I'm going to shoot for $500 off MSRP but I'll be stoked if I can get $300 off. Wish me luck!

Macksma
06-21-2012, 08:11 PM
How far south are you in SoCal. The dealer I used was awesome and quick AND I got my touring with tech/bose pkg at invoice (they matched the USAA price from another dealer, I had to show documentation from the other dealer). Costco members pay 300-400 over invoice too if you're a member.

ALafya
06-22-2012, 12:55 PM
Any reason to doubt the EPA ratings with EcoBoost Escapes?

For the Ford Edge, the actual MPG people are getting is closer to the lower end of the range. However, I must admit it seems the Focus, Fiesta and Taurus all get what you'd expect. I may have generalized a bit.

ManMachine
06-22-2012, 03:55 PM
My 2002 CR-V (1st year of the Gen 2) had a number of issues that I had to go to the dealer within 2 months. The car has also gone through 4-5 recalls. In general it's a reliable car and the best small SUV at that time. Buying a first year car always has some risks, doesn't matter which manufacturer.

I don't like the new CR-V because of its look (rear is terrible, hunch back), the tight space for my right knee, the 5-sp auto that you can't shift on your own, and the lack of a 40-20-40 split rear seat that was available in the last generation.

Ford seems to make good progress but I just don't trust the brand quite yet with their new powertrains.

plemieux
06-22-2012, 04:42 PM
It's funny you mention some quality issues when one of the cars you owned and "kinda miss" (Element) also had a lot of poor ownership experiences due to cheapness.


Is this from personal experience? I owned the Element for 3 years and never had any problems or complaints with it. I traded it in for the Honda Fit just because I wanted better mpg's and a cheaper payment.

Got promoted two years after owning the Fit and decided I could afford something a bit bigger thus I started shopping for small suv's or cuv's.

It was a toss up between the CR-V and the CX-5 for me.

Still not convinced I made the right decision but we'll see if this pos will grow on me or not...

mr.fusion
06-23-2012, 11:56 AM
Going to be blunt here. I have 20 years dealing with car dealers and sometimes their customers, and get to see good/bad on both sides, so this kinda stuck a nerve. Yes, the dealers are guilty of some evil, blah blah. But in my experience, when there is some after the sale issue, it's usually the customer trying to get over on the dealer, or just being completely unreasonable. You wouldn't believe how often a customer will claim the dealer scratched their car when having an oil change or even a car wash.

Anyway, it's obvious that your issue is with the dealer, not the car. So I think you are looking at any possible nitpicky excuse to hate on the car. So that has to be separated from the vehicle. I mean, come on. It's hard not to laugh, seriously. Here's the list of what makes the CX5 a "pos" as you say: Piece of protective sticky film left on the rims. Somebody scratched the paint. Not enough washer fluid. Too much air in tires. Doesn't have your first choice of plastic on door panel. Dash plastic planel can be flexed? (I haven't noticed this... how hard do you push the button?!)

The shaky mirror and maybe the seat clips are the only things on your rant list that is much of a real complaint, and both minor issues apparently have already been addressed by Mazda. I've seen the hood flex too, but only when passing a truck on a two lane, or in horrible windy conditions on the interstate when a gust about knocks you off the road. It's not a BIG thing, just a curious quirk. I noticed it the first day I drove mine, but didn't notice it on our 3500 mile trip unless you really look for it. Mazda special easy scratch paint? Come on now. If a moonroof is a must-have, then buy one that has it. This doesn't make a car a pos, has nothing to do with mazda vs honda, and certainly doesn't belong on a rant list of "issues"...... for any vehicle. Maybe there will be some more serious flaws show up in the cx5, and no doubt that someone will end up with a lemon.... but the list of concerns here is no reason to slap a "POS" label on anything.

Can't imagine wanting to go back to a Fit, even if the CX5 had 10x the list of issues. Look past the very minor concerns for a minute and maybe you will actually like the Mazda, even with it's horribly underfilled washer fluid reservoir and 10% over inflated tires.

CX-SV
06-23-2012, 12:19 PM
^ some good points. Just ask some first owners of new 2011 Explorer buyers what real issues are about. Agreed the Fit is perfect, for the blind.

V8toilet
06-23-2012, 01:03 PM
Going to be blunt here. I have 20 years dealing with car dealers and sometimes their customers, and get to see good/bad on both sides, so this kinda stuck a nerve. Yes, the dealers are guilty of some evil, blah blah. But in my experience, when there is some after the sale issue, it's usually the customer trying to get over on the dealer, or just being completely unreasonable. You wouldn't believe how often a customer will claim the dealer scratched their car when having an oil change or even a car wash.

Anyway, it's obvious that your issue is with the dealer, not the car. So I think you are looking at any possible nitpicky excuse to hate on the car. So that has to be separated from the vehicle. I mean, come on. It's hard not to laugh, seriously. Here's the list of what makes the CX5 a "pos" as you say: Piece of protective sticky film left on the rims. Somebody scratched the paint. Not enough washer fluid. Too much air in tires. Doesn't have your first choice of plastic on door panel. Dash plastic planel can be flexed? (I haven't noticed this... how hard do you push the button?!)

The shaky mirror and maybe the seat clips are the only things on your rant list that is much of a real complaint, and both minor issues apparently have already been addressed by Mazda. I've seen the hood flex too, but only when passing a truck on a two lane, or in horrible windy conditions on the interstate when a gust about knocks you off the road. It's not a BIG thing, just a curious quirk. I noticed it the first day I drove mine, but didn't notice it on our 3500 mile trip unless you really look for it. Mazda special easy scratch paint? Come on now. If a moonroof is a must-have, then buy one that has it. This doesn't make a car a pos, has nothing to do with mazda vs honda, and certainly doesn't belong on a rant list of "issues"...... for any vehicle. Maybe there will be some more serious flaws show up in the cx5, and no doubt that someone will end up with a lemon.... but the list of concerns here is no reason to slap a "POS" label on anything.


Can't imagine wanting to go back to a Fit, even if the CX5 had 10x the list of issues. Look past the very minor concerns for a minute and maybe you will actually like the Mazda, even with it's horribly underfilled washer fluid reservoir and 10% over inflated tires.

Thanks for making me laugh so hard that I almost fell on the floor. (lol) Sorry mr.fusion but you'd have to admit he makes a good point. I test drove a Honda fit just to see what it would be like and it was an impressive vehicle for a small car but it didn't fit me and my needs.

nycx5
06-23-2012, 01:20 PM
+1

GAXIBM
06-23-2012, 05:18 PM
Just wanted to add to Honda's great record here. I think in the 80s and 90s they did well but my daughter bought a 2002 Civic LX Manual that was not so good. At 45,000 had to replace the front ball joints, if you press on the gas it went left if you press on the brake it went right so the right front wheel was moving around, the dealer also wanted to replace the motor supports?. Then the brake light came on intermittenly but nothing was wong, then the shift linkage got stiff and required real pressure for third gear, WD40 helped a little. Next, the entire instrument pannel would quit intermitenly, (luckly it was working when I took it to sell at Carmax). Then there was the starter that would not turn over any more. One day it just stopped on the highway?, after a while it started and they drove home. Oil leaked down the front of the motor, after the dealer replaced the valve cover & gasket and some other stuff ($1000) or so, I found a plastic plug on the end of the camshaft that had a dried out O ring ($10) part that I changed with a screwdriver and stopped the oil leak. This was all before 90,000 miles. The engine was solid however and always pulled well when it ran. When she had our grandaughter I bought her a Mazda 3 Skyactiv GT, (I had had three Miata's and only had one ignition part fail). In doing that search I found the CX-5 for my wife. I don't know the official definition of POS but this Civic came close... I have known several frends with Acords in the 2000s to blow the auto transimissions around 90,000...

mr.fusion
06-23-2012, 05:54 PM
I hope I didn't offend anyone too much. I was still on my first cup of coffee so maybe was cranky? LOL

I suspect nearly everything on Earth can be irritating in some way, if you want it to be. I think it's better to focus on the more fundamental things of a vehicle, and the overall daily driving experience... rather than fret over every detail that isn't what I would like.

I won't pile on Honda cause I haven't owned one myself. Civic Si is the only Honda I've ever been interested in actually, except for my pressure washer and lawn mower. They make a fantastic small engine... perhaps the best money can buy. Their 2000w generators are legendary.

Nodnerb
06-23-2012, 09:12 PM
I hope I didn't offend anyone too much. I was still on my first cup of coffee so maybe was cranky? LOL

I suspect nearly everything on Earth can be irritating in some way, if you want it to be. I think it's better to focus on the more fundamental things of a vehicle, and the overall daily driving experience... rather than fret over every detail that isn't what I would like.

I won't pile on Honda cause I haven't owned one myself. Civic Si is the only Honda I've ever been interested in actually, except for my pressure washer and lawn mower. They make a fantastic small engine... perhaps the best money can buy. Their 2000w generators are legendary.

Certainly didnt offend me. I totally agree with you 100 percent.

CX-SV
06-23-2012, 10:16 PM
Nobody is offended I hope, even if the subject on this thread was who knows what....

plemieux
06-24-2012, 03:13 PM
This is a forum to express opinions that are sometimes occasionally backed up by facts.

If you are offended by opinions then the internet will be very frustrating to you.

I'm not happy with the CX5 and I wish I had waited for something else.

I don't expect anyone to feel the same way. Just dropping my 2 cents since someone asked why I felt that way.

<3 ya'll



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plemieux
06-24-2012, 03:31 PM
Mazda special easy scratch paint? Come on now.

This was posted this morning in the Complaint thread.


washing my car yesterday was scrubbing bugs off pax mirror housing and two small spots of paint came off....

Lousy luck eh? http://www.insanejournal.com/userpic/14620565/94461

stromdriver
06-24-2012, 05:41 PM
This was posted this morning in the Complaint thread.



Lousy luck eh? http://www.insanejournal.com/userpic/14620565/94461

nah see, it didn't scratch....


it chipped (whistle) (eyeballs)

lol

CX-SV
06-24-2012, 06:48 PM
Washing the car with bleach is not advised.

mr.fusion
06-25-2012, 09:36 AM
You should go get your CRV and box of tissues to go with your new delivery experience. You never know, they might leave fingerprints on the glass, plastic on the seats, and not give you a full tank of fuel. What a a POS that car would be!

CX-SV
06-25-2012, 10:47 AM
I don't want a dated Honda CRV just because tens of thousands of less demanding buyers select them for use as a small minivan. But I thought topic was about the even less desirable but cheap Outlander Sport.

mr.fusion
06-25-2012, 11:23 AM
(hah)
I don't want a dated Honda CRV just because tens of thousands of less demanding buyers select them for use as a small minivan. But I thought topic was about the even less desirable but cheap Outlander Sport.