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Game Rogue
05-16-2012, 11:51 AM
Hi guys, surfing the web I came across the below snippet of info on the possibility of a 2.5 liter Skyactve motor for the 2014 CX-5 and for the upcoming Mazda 6. Not sure of the validity of this report, but I hope its true. This reminds me of my disappointment after I bought my 2007 CX9 w/3.5L (love the CUV btw) and then the 2008 model was upped to a 3.7L. I was thinking about trading my Suzuki Grand Vitara for a CX5, but I’ll think I will wait until the 2014 model now.

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Mazda lineup to add 2.5-liter Skyactiv engine

Mazda6 mid-sized sedan and will be available for the 2014 CX-5 crossover, according to a source briefed on Mazda's product plans.

The engine will be the second to come to the United States using Mazda's Skyactiv system, which includes fuel-saving drivetrain and lightweight chassis technologies.

Like the 2.0-liter Skyactiv powering the 2013 CX-5, the 2.5-liter will have high-compression and gasoline direct-injection technology, which helps boost fuel efficiency and power.

The 2.5-liter will be added as an option for the 2014 CX-5, and will power the redesigned 2014 Mazda6 when it hits showrooms early next year, according to the source.

A Mazda spokesman declined to comment.

Autonews.com: http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120514/OEM01/305149977/1424

njaremka
05-16-2012, 12:00 PM
A Mazda spokesman declined to comment.



this tells me its all a load of journalistic speculation.

CX-SV
05-16-2012, 12:28 PM
IMO, sounds like it's possible for CX-5 future. Fuel economy would be lower than 2.0L, but as an optional/extra cost engine why not.

For comparison, Ford's Escape 1.6L turbo will be the volume engine with highest mpg of the Escape lineup. Ford will offer the optional 2.0L turbo for those needing something over 200hp with lower gas mileage.

Have the engines for new Mazda6 been confirmed yet?

xwedge
05-16-2012, 12:44 PM
I wouldn't hold my breath for the 2.5L . If anything, the 2.2 Diesel will get here in the CX-5 before the 2.5L IMO.

CX-SV
05-16-2012, 01:35 PM
Yes, I won't be holding my breath for either engine (2.5L or 2.2 diesel) in US market, could lead to a purple face.

nizzy1115
05-16-2012, 01:48 PM
I find the 2.0 more than adequate coming from a 2.5L mazda3. Even if it were offered at the time of my purchase I would have kept the 2.0. Better fuel economy and lower insurance costs outweigh 20-30hp gains.

ZuluCX
05-16-2012, 02:26 PM
I kind of agree, I do not really see the point of a 2.5, for me it defeats the purpose of having a car like this. If they want to bring another engine here, BRING THE 2.2 DIESEL!!!!!!!

DougNuts
05-16-2012, 04:56 PM
I would be much more likely to buy one if it had a 2.5L. The mileage hit would probably be marginal due to the duty cycle the cx-5 puts on the engine.

erhayes
05-16-2012, 05:48 PM
I hope the report is true. Even an option of the 2.3 would be an improvement assuming it had the "SkyActiv" enhancements. The general public will not put up with the pedestrian acceleration when the CX5 is loaded with four adults, in my opinion.

Game Rogue
05-16-2012, 06:06 PM
...outweigh 20-30hp gains.

I am not engine savvy, but really… a 2.5L option would only be expected to deliver a 20-30hp increase? That means the CX-5 would still be under 200hp; for me the 200+ hp is a selling point on this one, even if there is a nominal hit to mpg.

I want a new Mazda, I am so torn with the CX-5, the upcoming Mazda 6 and RX9 possibilities to think about – what to do, what to do?

Canadian-ES-GT
05-16-2012, 08:48 PM
I've heard more about the 6 being equipped with the 2.0. It would make sense to offer (in the 6) the 2.5 and diesel and forget about the V6 since it doesn't sell particularly well. The 2.0 may be a little even when it comes to power. For the CX-5, I think it would be better to bring the diesel as people wanting more power may go with the cheaper alternative and opt for the 2.5 instead of the diesel (if all three engines were offered). People are not looking for a 1/4 mile CUV, just something with decent umphh.

erhayes
05-16-2012, 08:52 PM
CX7 Game Rogue is another option. Ed

Game Rogue
05-16-2012, 10:07 PM
CX7 Game Rogue is another option. Ed

Yeah... Was considering the CX7, but with it being discontinued, I'm more incline to get with a Mazda having a new design to accompany my CX9.

2007cx9
05-17-2012, 09:19 AM
I'll confess I'm really liking the CX-5. However, it will only work for me if it is the diesel. When you have 4 people in a vehicle you need torque, not HP.

The Diesel 2.2 would have 310lb-ft of torque. (boom01)

nizzy1115
05-17-2012, 09:26 AM
I am not engine savvy, but really… a 2.5L option would only be expected to deliver a 20-30hp increase? That means the CX-5 would still be under 200hp; for me the 200+ hp is a selling point on this one, even if there is a nominal hit to mpg.

I want a new Mazda, I am so torn with the CX-5, the upcoming Mazda 6 and RX9 possibilities to think about – what to do, what to do?

Comparing the mazda3 the 2.0 gets 148hp and 135lb-ft. Where as the 2.5 gets 167hp and 168lb-ft. Thats 19hp and 33lb-ft gains from the 2.0 to the 2.5. I expect the 2.5 skyactiv to follow similar gains. (180ish hp and 190ish lb-ft)

Game Rogue
05-17-2012, 11:02 AM
...you need torque, not HP.

The Diesel 2.2 would have 310lb-ft of torque. (boom01)

My ignorance is likely showing here, but HP sounds more sexy (for sales pitch) and useful to me for small SUV types like the CX5. That, and wouldn’t any Skyactiv 2.5L need to have its “torque” increased anyways? Maybe not to “310lb-ft” in your diesel example, but likely somewhere near that for regular gas type – right?

Game Rogue
05-17-2012, 11:09 AM
Comparing the mazda3 the 2.0 gets 148hp and 135lb-ft. Where as the 2.5 gets 167hp and 168lb-ft. Thats 19hp and 33lb-ft gains from the 2.0 to the 2.5. I expect the 2.5 skyactiv to follow similar gains. (180ish hp and 190ish lb-ft)

IMO, that just sounds so little and not worth the effort. I gotta believe if Mazda does have a 2.5l Skyactiv in their back pocket for the 2014 model year, the motor will have a much more dramatic HP (and torque :) ) increase to make it worthwhile.

2007cx9
05-17-2012, 11:27 AM
My ignorance is likely showing here, but HP sounds more sexy (for sales pitch) and useful to me for small SUV types like the CX5. That, and wouldn’t any Skyactiv 2.5L need to have its “torque” increased anyways? Maybe not to “310lb-ft” in your diesel example, but likely somewhere near that for regular gas type – right?

You'll never see it without a turbo or twin turbo for that matter. You must be in marketing. Yes it's more sexy, but it is dumb. Once people realize how a diesel feels (I'm talking current technologies, not old smoggy rattle boxes and dump trucks) they will begin to realize. There's too many people that just don't have the knowledge in the US IMO and when they hear diesel they think of that big dump truck they saw on the way home belching black smoke into the air.

I think Mazda may be realizing the benefit of the small diesel as well. They don't have a hybrid right? I think hybrids are a waste of time. Give me a small diesel any day that will get better mileage.

in perspective the 3.5L v6 in the 2007 cx9:

Torque: 249 ft-lbs. @ 4500 rpm

katmar
05-17-2012, 11:34 AM
Give me a small diesel any day that will get better mileage.

Sure, but not every gas station sells diesel fuel, do they?

I fear I'd always be worrying about where I could and couldn't refill. But I've never owned or even thought about a diesel before, so I have no idea what it's like.

2007cx9
05-17-2012, 11:38 AM
Sure, but not every gas station sells diesel fuel, do they?

I fear I'd always be worrying about where I could and couldn't refill. But I've never owned or even thought about a diesel before, so I have no idea what it's like.

I'm not sure. I live in Indiana and there's Diesel at all the gas stations that I've seen. I wouldn't worry about it and wouldn't make it a factor.

nizzy1115
05-17-2012, 11:55 AM
My next mazda will be diesel for sure. Had they offered it this year I'd have bought it. I marked out the few gas stations that sell it around me and realized while I couldn't go to most, there were a few that had it and it would work for me.

DougNuts
05-17-2012, 12:15 PM
Sure, but not every gas station sells diesel fuel, do they?

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Diesel may not be at every station, but it's easily accessible and shouldn't be a concern.

CX-SV
05-17-2012, 12:35 PM
In California not every gas station carries diesel. And it tends to be 5% more costly than premium fuel.

nizzy1115
05-17-2012, 02:06 PM
I'll take 30% better mpg even if the costs are 30% higher for fuel. It'd wash out economic gains but we'd have a much more powerful engine. Thankfully there still is an economic advantage over the mpg and increased fuel costs.

CX-SV
05-17-2012, 02:18 PM
Wow, 30% mileage gain over 2.0L, if only that was true.

CX-SV
05-17-2012, 02:22 PM
Back to the 2.5L Skyactiv rumor/OP's topic, haven't seen any other source mentioning this so far.

nizzy1115
05-17-2012, 02:31 PM
Fuel consumption for the entry-level diesel engine with front wheel drive is 63 mpg-imp (4.5 L/100 km; 52 mpg-US)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_CX-5

smithsm1984
05-17-2012, 02:33 PM
Wow, this dissolved into the typical OMG DIESEEEELLL talk quickly, didn't it?

As for a 2.5L, don't bet on it. If we get another engine it will either be diesel or turbo.

pjensen641
05-17-2012, 02:36 PM
Sure, but not every gas station sells diesel fuel, do they?

I fear I'd always be worrying about where I could and couldn't refill. But I've never owned or even thought about a diesel before, so I have no idea what it's like.

The US commercial transportation system runs on diesel....you can find it anywhere that you see semis and other delivery trucks driving....so everywhere. I would have bought the diesel had it been available in the US.

For those of you that don't have much knowledge of modern diesels, check out this to get an idea of the performance potential.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_R10_TDI

They absolutely dominated Le Mans series when they came out.

katmar
05-17-2012, 03:40 PM
Does the 2.5 (or 2.3) SKYACTIV engine officially exist?

I don't think I've seen it mentioned except as wishful thinking for the Mazda6. But most things I read say the Mazda6 is getting the 2.0 SKYACTIV engine.

thatwazmysn
05-17-2012, 04:05 PM
Gahhh. I'm still hoping and dreaming for a 6MT diesel.

nizzy1115
05-17-2012, 04:26 PM
I'm kinda thinking that we could possibly have a awd turbo 2.0 skyactiv speed cx5. What do you guys think of that? 250ish hp, 26mpg combined? 20" wheels, lowered, bigger brakes and MT. Starting around 29k.

njaremka
05-17-2012, 04:30 PM
the only engine option you will see on the CX5 will be the diesel option. want more power, you'll have to look at the CX9. (CX7 is being cut from the line up)

thatwazmysn
05-17-2012, 04:36 PM
I'm kinda thinking that we could possibly have a awd turbo 2.0 skyactiv speed cx5. What do you guys think of that? 250ish hp, 26mpg combined? 20" wheels, lowered, bigger brakes and MT. Starting around 29k.

Sounds good! But 29k?!?! I would want leather seats.

CX-SV
05-17-2012, 04:39 PM
Does the 2.5 (or 2.3) SKYACTIV engine officially exist?



No, no such engines are on market today.

ManMachine
05-17-2012, 05:58 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_CX-5

That wiki link has incorrect information. Some of the quoted links are not valid any more. CX-5 fuel economy by metric system, based on Mazda Australia, is 6.9 L/100km combined for 6AT AWD. It is 5.7 combined for 6AT 2.2L diesel AWD, so reduction of consumption by 17.5%.

Also, note that mpg calculation is not linear. You need to really calculate fuel consumption, not mpg when consider percentage of increase or decrease. 10mpg to 15mpg improvement is vastly different vs. 30 to 35 mpg improvement.

Given that the diesel fuel cost is high, and that the diesel model will surely be more expensive (probably $2,000 USD at least), the diesel will be a tough sell in the U.S. - and that has been the case for all diesel cars these days. Unlike other markets, U.S. diesel fuel price is not subsidized.

Since 6MT is not gonna be available with the diesel, I think maybe a larger 2.5L petro may be relevant for vehicles such as CX-5 and CX-9, but the power output really needs to exceed 200 HP though. I think a turbo charged 4 based on Skyactiv will be coming along to power the next Mazdaspeed3 and CX-9. 250hp/250torque would be good to have.

V8toilet
05-17-2012, 08:22 PM
What is it with the 2.0 gas engine not having enough power. I personally think it does a decent job, peppy in the city and decent on the highway especially considering the 34 mpg I just got. With a 25% increase in displacement you'll get an equally big hit in the mileage numbers. Mazda already tried offering a more powerful engine in the CX7 and not enough people bought one but when they offered the naturally aspired 2.5 in the CX7 the sales climbed.

GAXIBM
05-17-2012, 09:54 PM
A key advantage of Skyactiv G is the high compression ratio you can get by getting as much of the hot exhaust out of the cylinder with the big 4-2-1 header. This will not play well with a turbo. A turbo restricts flow out of the cylinder (the exhaust backpressure drives the turbo) causing knock, so you loose some of the high compression ratio advantage. Maybe they could put a blower(supercharger) on the G and drive it with an electric motor combined with the larger alternator/capacitor used for braking that Mazda has developed for electrical accessories. A good design would take the braking energy & use to compress air for the engine boost as most of the power demand (supercharger demand) would come when in stop and go where the braking energy is highest so high economy is possible. In an extended power demand like a hill climb the alternator + capacitor/battery would have to be big enough to drive the supercharger for an extended period or perhaps reduce boost until you brake again and rebuild the capacitor...

The turbo is not an issue on the diesel as it needs some hot exhaust left over to provide the compression ignition.

smithsm1984
05-18-2012, 02:43 PM
In my opinion the gas engine is pretty awesome with 6MT. I put my foot down and it revs to redline in first real quick, then a hard shift into second gets the tires chirping. The engine makes a kind of unusual but still interesting noise. It is entertaining. It feels good when I go down a country road and I'm spending all my time over 4K RPM. It is not fast but it feels fun, and that's what really counts, if you ask me.

Chances of a turbo performance CX-5 are very low and next-to-none in the U.S. Chance of a diesel here is not high and if it arrives it will be expensive and a high-trim model only. Remember, if the manual did not get a really nice highway MPG number, we probably would not have received a manual option here either. Mazda clearly put out a 6MT base model only because of the EPA numbers they can advertise.

CX-SV
05-18-2012, 04:02 PM
^ Yes, 2.0L does develop peak power at higher revs than many engines and both MT and AT (especially in manual mode) can take advantage of that. My preference is to not have a 4 cylinder engine larger than 2.0L, that tends to be the largest in-line 4 banger size with desired smoothness. Balance shafts on larger 4 bangers do help but they tend to be compromised (some are good at smoothing mid-range revs, others at smoothing high revs, none good at both).

Now not only is the CX-5 MT showing by far the best EPA gas mileage numbers, but also CX-5 AT is showing best in class EPA numbers for both the fwd and awd versions. CX-5 gas mileage beats new 2013 Escape 1.6L turbo in all configs (official EPA numbers for the 1.6L turbo were only recently published). The 1.6L turbo Escape is the engine with best EPA gas mileage numbers and expected to sell in highest volume.

DougNuts
05-18-2012, 08:58 PM
With a 25% increase in displacement you'll get an equally big hit in the mileage numbers.

It would probably be a 10% hit, at worst. A 2.5L Skyactive wouldn't have to work as hard - like how my 400hp 5.7L Caddy can get 26 on the highway while my 1.6L Civic gets 31. It's not a linear scale is all I'm saying.


Mazda already tried offering a more powerful engine in the CX7 and not enough people bought one but when they offered the naturally aspired 2.5 in the CX7 the sales climbed.

They also dropped the price.


This will not play well with a turbo. A turbo restricts flow out of the cylinder (the exhaust backpressure drives the turbo) causing knock, so you loose some of the high compression ratio advantage. Maybe they could put a blower(supercharger) on the G and drive it with an electric motor combined with the larger alternator/capacitor used for braking that Mazda has developed for electrical accessories.

A turbo wouldn't work well on a street driven 13:1 compression engine, but they could probably do 11:1 with a turbo (premium fuel). The turbo increases dynamic compression and therefore efficiency.

inodes
05-21-2012, 10:16 AM
Mazda did start with the Skyactiv-G 2.0L (http://www.mazda.com/mazdaspirit/skyactiv/engine/skyactiv-g.html) and the Skyactiv-D 2.2L (http://www.mazda.com/mazdaspirit/skyactiv/engine/skyactiv-d.html). But completely out of the spotlight has been the Skyactiv-G 1.3L (for Mazda 2):
http://www.mazda.com/publicity/release/2011/201111/111116a.html

With this having been developed at the smaller end of the scale, I reckon they might produce the Skyactiv-G 2.5L. Obvious next step.

Only one catch....

If it's destined for the CX-5, it would produce performance similar to that of the 2.2L Diesel, but would poorer mpg.
It's likely an engine that would be fit for the US/Canada market purely on the basis that it's still the only market to have turned the diesel down.

But the US market is large enough to allow for another engine to be developed.

It would result in a vehicle similar in performance to the current CX-7 - a vehicle that has failed miserably around the world due to bottom of class fuel economy.

In Australia at least, there have been more sales of the CX-5 in two months in that all of 2011's CX-7.
20% have been petrols.
Enough said!

plemieux
05-21-2012, 07:34 PM
The 2.5 would get worse mileage. Wait for the diesel. You get the extra power and extra mpg.

V8toilet
05-21-2012, 08:04 PM
It would probably be a 10% hit, at worst. A 2.5L Skyactive wouldn't have to work as hard - like how my 400hp 5.7L Caddy can get 26 on the highway while my 1.6L Civic gets 31. It's not a linear scale is all I'm saying. You have a good point. I'd say probably 8% hit highway or 29-30 MPG and 12% city or 23 MPG in the EPA cycle.




They also dropped the price. Because the NA engine cost less and made it more attractive for customers to buy just like the Skyactive gas 2.0 engine in the CX5 vs the Diesel. (whistle)

Game Rogue
07-30-2012, 12:06 PM
2014 Mazda CX-5 May Gain Larger 2.5L Skyactiv Engine Option

If there’s anything wrong with the 2013 Mazda CX-5, it’s that the 2.0-liter Skyactiv engine isn’t exactly a powerhouse.

Delivering 155 hp and 150 lb-ft of torque, the engine is slightly more powerful than the version in the 2012 Mazda3 , and is segment leading for fuel economy, though it lacks the punch of much of its competitors.

According to a tip we’ve received after a Mazda dealer meeting in Chicago, Mazda will solve that problem with a larger and more powerful engine that will be offered as an option. Set to first debut in the upcoming 2014 Mazda6, the 2.5-liter Skyactiv 4-cylinder should make closer to 170 hp with equal torque and deliver the brand’s fun-to-drive characteristics.

What isn’t yet clear is if Mazda plans to offer the CX-5 with a diesel powertrain option. Our tipster, however, has confirmed that the new Skyactiv-D diesel engine will arrive in the Mazda6 in October of 2013.

AutoGuide.com

~Source (http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2012/07/2014-mazda-cx-5-may-gain-larger-2-5l-skyactiv-engine-option.html)


If true, I'm sure glad I waited!

nizzy1115
07-30-2012, 12:12 PM
Honestly I think people need to drive the 2.0 in the cx5. It is more than fine with power. I thought before I bought it it was slow etc but after owning it its more than capable. No its not a 5.0 mustang beater from a stop light, but its defiantly powerful enough to speed ahead of traffic when wanted. The only thing I could see the 2.5 being for is towing.

DougNuts
08-02-2012, 09:14 PM
I think the 2.0 is on the low side of adequate, but it was adequate considering the fuel economy.

Since I won't be able to talk my wife into buying a diesel (if they come here), I've been leaning towards getting her a 1.6T Escape next year. But, if Mazda brings out a 2.5L for the CX-5, that would sway us back into the Mazda, for sure.

kinks45
08-05-2012, 10:40 AM
Mazda fans, like me, want ZOOM-ZOOM!! More power, more power!

ALafya
08-05-2012, 01:25 PM
The 2.2D can be awesome, if Mazda fixes the rising oil issue and it becomes suitable for predominantly short drives.
Otherwise, I'll stay away from it like it was the plague. My commute is only 10 miles each way and involves ~4 miles of expressway and stop-and-go on the highway, both of which will not get high enough RPMs to passively clear the DPF. Don't want to be forced to take the car for a long drive to clear the DPF.
I definitely don't want diesel to dilute my oil and have the engine damaged from increased friction and do not want to take the care for oil draining more frequently than oil change period, while having to pay for it as if it was normal for this type of engine.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?123817637-Engine-Oil-Rise

fthomasr
08-05-2012, 02:52 PM
Honestly I think people need to drive the 2.0 in the cx5. It is more than fine with power. I thought before I bought it it was slow etc but after owning it its more than capable. No its not a 5.0 mustang beater from a stop light, but its defiantly powerful enough to speed ahead of traffic when wanted. The only thing I could see the 2.5 being for is towing.

I test drove the 2.0 with the 5 speed manual yesterday after driving the horribly slow auto a couple of months ago. The manual is better, I could live with it but I'm not. It's slow, not the worst in the world slow but it is slow. The transmission was AWESOME. The short throws combined with the butter smooth engagement left a smile on my face. The clutch is far too easy, which I could live with but man it's hard to modulate at first it's so easy. 15-20+ more hp and it would be a much bigger success in this country. It really would make a real dent in the CRV sales with that 2.5 liter.

Please please bring the 2.5 w/manual as the base, optional auto.

PhoenixINX
08-05-2012, 04:01 PM
One thing everyone needs to realize about this motor while test driving is break in...

It WAS a dog during our test drive, but surprising both the 3i AND CX-5 became alive post 1000 miles. I would LOVE to see a 0 mile car dyno'd, versus one with a few thousand miles. It's typical to see a small difference, but I'm certain what we would find would be something very noticeable and measurable.

I have NEVER felt an engine open up so much after break-in.

Before you rule the car out because of how the engine felt during a test drive, I would recommend finding an owner on here that has one with a few miles to do a ride along.

fthomasr
08-05-2012, 06:38 PM
One thing everyone needs to realize about this motor while test driving is break in...

It WAS a dog during our test drive, but surprising both the 3i AND CX-5 became alive post 1000 miles. I would LOVE to see a 0 mile car dyno'd, versus one with a few thousand miles. It's typical to see a small difference, but I'm certain what we would find would be something very noticeable and measurable.

I have NEVER felt an engine open up so much after break-in.

Before you rule the car out because of how the engine felt during a test drive, I would recommend finding an owner on here that has one with a few miles to do a ride along.


I'm optimistic about the car. I've been watching and waiting on this vehicle since this article: http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_articles/id/2105/131-compression-and-40-mpg-on-87-octane-fuel-introducing-mazdas-skyactiv-technology.aspx
Believe me I don't want to be disappointed, I want to agree with you, but I can't. All due respect, it needs 15-20ft of torque as well and there is no way that's it's 'locked up in there' and released at break-in. What may be happening is that you've gotten more used to it. When I turboed my SE-R going from 120hp at the dyno stock to 265hp (also at the dyno) it felt FANTASTIC! However over time you have to fight the urge to turn the boost up. Same with my Evo IX, same with my wife's 335i. The Element I drive daily is very torquey down low, so it's fun to zip around town. Again I could live with it...I just don't want to take a step down. I'm torn.

erhayes
08-05-2012, 07:07 PM
I agree that I would not expect any real power/torque increase with a modern engine during breakin or at 1,000 miles or whenever.

CX-SV
08-05-2012, 10:13 PM
Agreed, only very small increase in HP later. Most of the improvement after a few thousand miles is auto tranny learning driver style and the driver developing a more sensitive foot to access gears desired (w/o using manual mode).

Note: See latest edition of C&D, compact SUV shoot out. CX-5 is slowest (but not that much) with easily best MPG. Good showing by Mazda.

PhoenixINX
08-05-2012, 10:26 PM
I'm optimistic about the car. I've been watching and waiting on this vehicle since this article: http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_articles/id/2105/131-compression-and-40-mpg-on-87-octane-fuel-introducing-mazdas-skyactiv-technology.aspx
Believe me I don't want to be disappointed, I want to agree with you, but I can't. All due respect, it needs 15-20ft of torque as well and there is no way that's it's 'locked up in there' and released at break-in. What may be happening is that you've gotten more used to it. When I turboed my SE-R going from 120hp at the dyno stock to 265hp (also at the dyno) it felt FANTASTIC! However over time you have to fight the urge to turn the boost up. Same with my Evo IX, same with my wife's 335i. The Element I drive daily is very torquey down low, so it's fun to zip around town. Again I could live with it...I just don't want to take a step down. I'm torn.

I would agree that something isn't locked up... That said, all I can describe is it felt like I got another lb or two of boost. Since that's a familiar metaphor, it should hit close to home. Coming from a Vishnu Stg 3 Evo VIII years back... even that single lb was measurable!

Don't read anything on here or listen to me. Go find one that has been broken in, and drive it like an S2000. :)

fthomasr
08-07-2012, 11:24 PM
Coming from a Vishnu Stg 3 Evo VIII years back... even that single lb was measurable!

Well you don't say? I have a Vishnu tune myself, tuned by the man himself in person! Try a Vishnu tune on a mivec head, my viii friends are jealous. I have won about 7 autox times of the day (against all other cars/classes) at autox in that car, all with just a tune, panel filter and an old school ebc. I did my own alignment, stock exhaust, stock piping, street tires, etc. BTW, it only has 12k. I bought it new.

Sorry about the off topic stuff, back to CX-5 2.5 option talk...

CX-SV
08-07-2012, 11:35 PM
Yes, both the CX-5 2.0L and the unconfirmed 2.5L have 0 pounds of boost, therefore no boost increase to feel or measure.

PhoenixINX
08-08-2012, 01:39 AM
Well you don't say? I have a Vishnu tune myself, tuned by the man himself in person! Try a Vishnu tune on a mivec head, my viii friends are jealous. I have won about 7 autox times of the day (against all other cars/classes) at autox in that car, all with just a tune, panel filter and an old school ebc. I did my own alignment, stock exhaust, stock piping, street tires, etc. BTW, it only has 12k. I bought it new.

Sorry about the off topic stuff, back to CX-5 2.5 option talk...

I never danced beyond the VIII, as our son was born and I couldn't trust myself with boost. That said, Shiv tuned my car on a few occasions down in Georgia when he flew into Dyno4mance. Small world!


Yes, both the CX-5 2.0L and the unconfirmed 2.5L have 0 pounds of boost, therefore no boost increase to feel or measure.

Really? ;)

I used the boost metaphor to explain what the car would feel like pre to post break-in, not literally implying the two Skyactiv engines I own were aspired in a fashion I wasn't aware of.

EricF
08-08-2012, 01:42 AM
Yes, both the CX-5 2.0L and the unconfirmed 2.5L have 0 pounds of boost, therefore no boost increase to feel or measure.

He never said it did. He said it was a metaphor for what it felt like, for anyone who's ever had a car with boost.

I haven't felt any difference after break in. IMO the car is slow as hell, but if I wanted a fast car, I wouldn't have bought a CUV in the first place. The MPG it delivers is good and that outweighs the anemic power delivery, and for me its just fine.

PhoenixINX
08-08-2012, 11:08 AM
I haven't felt any difference after break in.

Another area to check for difference, albeit not performance related, but MPG after an oil change.

On the 3i especially, it's tough for me to tick off 40 MPG when the oil is due. However when changed I shoot back up to 42-44.


IMO the car is slow as hell,

This is true! :D

CX-SV
08-08-2012, 11:13 AM
I never danced beyond the VIII, as our son was born and I couldn't trust myself with boost. That said, Shiv tuned my car on a few occasions down in Georgia when he flew into Dyno4mance. Small world!



Really? ;)

I used the boost metaphor to explain what the car would feel like pre to post break-in, not literally implying the two Skyactiv engines I own were aspired in a fashion I wasn't aware of.

Yes, really.

And yes we know how you were using boost metaphor, no prob.

fthomasr
08-08-2012, 07:09 PM
I never danced beyond the VIII, as our son was born and I couldn't trust myself with boost. That said, Shiv tuned my car on a few occasions down in Georgia when he flew into Dyno4mance. Small world!

Yeah, Dyno4mance! Same for me. I assume you know Andrew, but what about Seth Hester and Eric Waterman? (both live in Nashville.) If so, yeah, talk about a small world!

Evan55
08-10-2012, 05:11 PM
More journalist rumors say that the 2.5 will only have 170hp.

I will be VERY dissapointed on both accounts if that is the case. This engine should be 2.3 for efficiency, and defnitely no more than 2.4. The koreans have been getting 200hp out of their DI 2.4 for a few years and it doesnt even have skyactiv high compression.

But mazda cant get past 170hp with a 2.5 and high compression?!!!

It SHOULD be 2.3, close to 200hp, and get same or BETTER MPG as the 2.0 due to lighter engine load and more aggressive overdrive gearing.

but that wont happen, because mazda still cant design a competitive engine.

szwakon
08-10-2012, 06:46 PM
No one knows whether Mazda is even going to make 2.5L Skyactiv - these just speculations.
As for the koreans, they mostly over-promise and under-deliver, in both power and MPG terms - go to their forums and read about users complains of poor mileage they get.

Antgli
08-17-2012, 03:46 PM
No one knows whether Mazda is even going to make 2.5L Skyactiv - these just speculations.
As for the koreans, they mostly over-promise and under-deliver, in both power and MPG terms - go to their forums and read about users complains of poor mileage they get.

Absolutely true. We bought a 2011 Hyundai Elantra as a daily driver expecting to hit 40mpg but never happened. The most we got on the highway was 34mpg...at best...totally under deliver:(! On the other hand, the 2012 VW Passat TDI my wife drives over delivers. We consistently get 42mpg (90% hgwy / 10% city) and the torque is so addicting:)! Everyone has to experience the new diesel engines. They made a believer out of me. Just can't wait for the CX-5 Diesel to make its' debut.

STE92VE
01-14-2013, 03:18 PM
I wouldn't hold my breath for the 2.5L . If anything, the 2.2 Diesel will get here in the CX-5 before the 2.5L IMO.


Yes, I won't be holding my breath for either engine (2.5L or 2.2 diesel) in US market, could lead to a purple face.



As for a 2.5L, don't bet on it. If we get another engine it will either be diesel or turbo.


the only engine option you will see on the CX5 will be the diesel option.

As the 2014 CX-5 w/2.5L engine is soon to appear in dealerships......

CX-SV
01-14-2013, 03:27 PM
Great news about 2.5L, (even if it's only 8 months after this thread was started) better late than never. Since the 2.5L is here today in US in the Mazda6, shoudn't be long.

njaremka
01-14-2013, 03:28 PM
the only engine option you will see on the CX5 will be the diesel option. want more power, you'll have to look at the CX9. (CX7 is being cut from the line up)


As the 2014 CX-5 w/2.5L engine is soon to appear in dealerships......

if you were posting just to say "I told you so"... let me say, i'm glad to be wrong! a bigger engine will only make the CX5 that much more of an attractive option against the competitors. more sales and volume means more investors, which means more money and a longer life.

STE92VE
01-14-2013, 05:05 PM
if you were posting just to say "I told you so"... let me say, i'm glad to be wrong! a bigger engine will only make the CX5 that much more of an attractive option against the competitors. more sales and volume means more investors, which means more money and a longer life.

Cool! I can't say "I told you so" since the CX-5 wasn't even on my radar when those statements were made and I just joined the community last month after a family member took delivery of a 2013 CX-5 after my recommendation. Unless there's something else on the near horizon that I don't know about, I'm planning on the CX-5 2.5L as my next vehicle sometime between it's release and this spring. My last Mazda was similar to this beauty, a 1988 626 LX Hatchback:

http://hooniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Mazda-636-hatchback-turbo.jpg