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Bokeh28
04-24-2012, 12:40 AM
Hello everyone,

I am very interested in purchasing a cx5 and have been lurking on these boards for the past few weeks. We are interested in the GT trim with all the bells and whistles and are pretty picky about the color. We have been waiting a while with the hope that the car we want would be found through dealer trading. Well, according to the dealership we are working with, they will only be getting 2 cars with all the specs we wanted, minus the color, for the next 3-6 months. The reason being Mazda is stopping the production of all GT models indefinitely.... Well he said for at least 3 months due to a tire shortage! Whatever company that makes the tires for the GT model has sold out of them. So, they will continue to produce the two lower trims, sport and touring, and will start up the GTs as soon as enough tires become available. Has anyone else heard of this? Anyway, it looks like we will be waiting for our new Cx 5 much longer than anticipated.... I hope it is worth the wait.

Thanks!

PJO
04-24-2012, 01:23 AM
That's kind of crazy! I went to buy a silver GT with the tech package last week and the dealer didn't have any but luckily they already had one being shipped. He told me it should be here in two to three weeks. I haven't heard about the tire shortage. Good luck!

BaronVonAwesome
04-24-2012, 01:58 AM
Haven't heard of a tire shortage. Every auto manufacturer in the world IS expecting production delays resulting from a fire at a German factory that produces the material (called PA-12) that is used in brake and fuel lines, among other parts. Once vehicle inventory begins to deplete, at around 60 days or so, shipment of most every car from most auto makers will be slowed signifigantly. Manufacturers are scrambling to find alternate suppliers/materials until the German plant is brought back online.

inodes
04-24-2012, 10:37 AM
This is crazy news. Is there a media release or similar that reveals this information in full?

prhac
04-24-2012, 10:55 AM
This is crazy news. Is there a media release or similar that reveals this information in full?

Ditto
This could well affect my expected delivery date

Bokeh28
04-24-2012, 11:09 AM
My salesman notified me of this issue on Saturday morning and said they just found out about it. I've been looking for more info online and watching these boards to see if anyone made mention of it. I'm not sure when they are going to go public with the information but the dealership made it sound like a definite thing. I said it was crazy for it to happen and my salesperson said he has heard of much stranger things.

My husband and i were hoping they could maybe find another supplier of tires but I don't know if they are contractually obligated to stay with th same company or the deal they are getting is so good they don't want to pay more and in turn raise prices on the cx5? Maybe they should just find a way to get the cars made cuz it seems to me that the shortage of GTs over the span of several months would be just as bad if not worse than the price they will be paying upfront. They could be losing potential owners, like me :( but I of course have know idea how this stuff works.....

inodes
04-24-2012, 11:20 AM
My husband and i were hoping they could maybe find another supplier of tires

Unfortunately it's a set tyre chosen well over a year ago after much testing in Japan. The tyre is exactly the same on that model across the globe - from the UK, to Germany, Japan all the way across to the US and Australia.

The tyre is produced in Japan by Toyo.

If the news is true, then I'm sure Toyo will source the chemical from elsewhere as their obligations to deliver the tyre are massive.
I doubt Mazda would interrupt production based on something as simple as a tyre.

geocord
04-24-2012, 11:34 AM
Just spoke with a Mazda salesman a few days ago and he said they were really pushing the manufacture of the lower end models to get them out into the marketplace and limiting the manufacture of the GT models until later. Now, with that said, it was a Mazda salesman and that could just be a dealership rumor. It kind of made sense to me though. Tire shortage? I doubt it. Manufacturers aren't tied into one supplier only especially if that supplier can't supply.(boom01) It would be a very short term hiccup if that did happen and certainly not months.

RE: The resin problem which hits all manufacturers. There was a big meeting of over 100 auto execs from all over the world that was held recently to address this problem. It seems that an alternate supplier is stepping up and there may not be nearly as major shortage as many have worried about. I think I read that the new supplier makes carpet resins or something like that and is willing to adjust their process to make resins for the auto industry. This is just from reading several different auto news websites which as always, must be taken with a grain of salt.

pjensen641
04-24-2012, 11:34 AM
This was a major reason that I did not go for the GT Trim. I took a look at tire rack and saw one tire available and it was 2X the cost of the 17's. I'd be worried about the availability of replacements if you own a GT and happen across a nail!

BTW, first post. Had a Zeal Red AWD for about 2 weeks!

Bokeh28
04-24-2012, 11:42 AM
I hope your right and that production isn't stopped. In the meantime we will be looking at other vehicles. But I really do love the cx5. I've already told my friends and family I'm getting one lol. I told them way back when, when I didn't realize how hard it would be to find what we wanted. The kicker is that there was a car on the lot that was exactly what we wanted when we went in for a test drive. But it was fwd and my husband insisted on getting awd, Darn hindsight. Maybe this is the universe's way of saying we should just wait for the diesel version :P

CX-SV
04-24-2012, 01:35 PM
GT's make up about 10-15% of the inventory in northern California, US. But color selections are limited across the board.

What color combo were you trying to get?

plemieux
04-24-2012, 03:59 PM
Go with the Touring. The 17's will give a softer ride and will be much cheaper to replace when the time comes. Add the tech pkg and moonroof/bose pkg and you essentially have the GT minus the 19" wheels and leather.

inodes
04-24-2012, 08:13 PM
Manufacturers aren't tied into one supplier only especially if that supplier can't supply.

Japanese manufacturers don't tend to change OE tyre suppliers whatsoever. In Japan, there is lengthy work to get to the point where they decide that manufacturer. It's nearly always a Japanese manufacturer and if you put yourself into Japan with the way Japanese business works, it's a privilege and an honour to be chosen as an OE manufacturer for a particular vehicle.
There is a loss of face if Mazda were suddenly to drop a tyre.

Worse still, there is a loss of honour if a tyre manufacturer wouldn't be able to supply a tyre. There has been suicides over less.

The Tsunami made chaos of supply lines for all sorts of companies. Lens manufacturers and electronics were particularly affected because they have high tech manufacturing lines.
But car manufacturers although affected, were able to rapidly bring supplies back quickly.

The factory making the Nissan GT-R engine for example had a recovery time 4 to 5x faster than expected.

Tyres.... they weren't impacted anywhere near as much.

While Japanese won't change high visible OE suppliers - like tyres. The same wouldn't be said of US or Australian manufacturers. A tyre change could happen mid model cycle and no one would blink an eyelid.

Go back through Mazda history and you'll see how often the OE tyre changes for a model.

kimchei6
04-24-2012, 09:06 PM
Guess I'm lucky that I got my GT Peral White w/tech package now.... Sucks for you guys who have to wait...

geocord
04-24-2012, 09:09 PM
Not saying they would change supplier long term. But if the supplier has already admitted they can't supply for awhile I would assume contracts have some kind of alternative provision especially for a vehicle that is so crucial to Mazda's future. No supplier could expect a business to stop producing for months because it couldn't supply the material and if that is the case then they have obviously already "lost face". Business in modern times is not run like the samurai days. History is good to know but things do change.

I'm a little suspect that the delay is because of tires in the first place so this all may be a mute point.

Bokeh28
04-24-2012, 11:07 PM
Go with the Touring. The 17's will give a softer ride and will be much cheaper to replace when the time comes. Add the tech pkg and moonroof/bose pkg and you essentially have the GT minus the 19" wheels and leather.

We want CWP with black interior. I really like the way the car looks in white and seeing all of them on this forum isnt helping my husband's attempts at swaying me towards the sky blue :) he already has his fun ride (speed 3) so this would be mine... And i cant get past the white. I just really like white cars! I could probably live without most of the extras the GT has to offer but would really love love love the keyless entry. Being someone who has to drive to multiple locations on a daily basis and having a propensity to lose keys, the idea of being able to leave a key fob in may bag and forget about it would be amazing! not sure if that alone justifies the higher price tag, but all the other extra features helped us decide on the GT.

inodes
04-25-2012, 08:39 AM
Business in modern times is not run like the samurai days.

It may not necessarily be done with Seppuku or Harakiri... but I can certainly comment on Japanese culture.
My wife is Japanese, and I've been back to Japan three times since the Tsunami - so very in touch with what goes on.

Japanese companies are very unlike western companies in the way honour counts.
This are done to perfected rules that go back well beyond living generations.

Best example is post tsunami. We all know that no company is at fault for the natural disasters of the earthquake and tsunami. But the heads of many companies that were affected by these disasters had no option but to step down, simply because they took the failure upon themselves.
I was stunned when I heard the news of several bosses stepping down. I thought, in Australia no one would blame the CEO of a company that was making losses because a bunch of their factories was destroyed by flood.

This occurs across the board with all types of companies and situations.

You're right - it's not Samurai times, but the Japanese culture is steeped in history and many aspects of daily life feels underpinned by rules that are frozen 50 years in the past.

geocord
04-25-2012, 12:02 PM
Didn't come here to argue about Japanese culture but to talk about the CX-5. I don't question your knowledge in this area. My only point was that any company that would halt production of a hot seller that it's very existence could well depend on would be foolish not to have contingency supplier arrangements for any piece of the manufacturing. Same goes with the supplier. But like I said, I doubt if the a lack of tires is the reason GT production is low. It's probably just an economical way to produce a lot of vehicles fast is to run the same type of vehicle through the production lines for extended period of time.

CX-SV
04-25-2012, 12:49 PM
We want CWP with black interior. I really like the way the car looks in white and seeing all of them on this forum isnt helping my husband's attempts at swaying me towards the sky blue :) he already has his fun ride (speed 3) so this would be mine... And i cant get past the white. I just really like white cars! I could probably live without most of the extras the GT has to offer but would really love love love the keyless entry. Being someone who has to drive to multiple locations on a daily basis and having a propensity to lose keys, the idea of being able to leave a key fob in may bag and forget about it would be amazing! not sure if that alone justifies the higher price tag, but all the other extra features helped us decide on the GT.


Yes, a CWP w/black leather GT w/tech pkg is what I've had since March 18th. The keyless entry works as well as the one in my Lexus. In fact this CX-5 has 90%+ of the luxury equipment of a typical Lexus. I've driven both Touring w/17's and GT w/19's, the difference in ride quality is barely noticable. The difference in cost of replacement tires is not a problem, 19's are far more common today than they were 10 years ago.

I won't get into discussion of Japanese culture here on a CX-5 GT thread, even though I've actually worked for an old established multibillion $ Japanese company for several years.

DougNuts
04-25-2012, 12:50 PM
My experience with Japanese companies leads me to believe that Mazda wouldn't stop production of GT models for months if another tire is available. They would probably wait for a few weeks and if the supplier doesn't come through, they will be shunned.

CodyZoom
04-26-2012, 01:18 PM
Does anyone think there will be other options on tirerack.com sometime in the future? Right now it's only the 1 tire choice - yikes!

amland01
04-26-2012, 04:47 PM
I heard the same thing from our dealer...they said they can't even place any orders for GTs because of the tire shortage. Luckily my GT came in yesterday, though :) My first Mazda and LOVING it!

JTNY
04-26-2012, 05:33 PM
If there are more cars being spec'd out w/the same tire size I'm sure more tire companies will start manufacturing them.


Does anyone think there will be other options on tirerack.com sometime in the future? Right now it's only the 1 tire choice - yikes!

Bokeh28
04-26-2012, 07:59 PM
I heard the same thing from our dealer...they said they can't even place any orders for GTs because of the tire shortage. Luckily my GT came in yesterday, though :) My first Mazda and LOVING it!

Well it looks like the rumor could be true. Ahhh, I have no patience and the idea of having to wait even longer is gonna ruin me! I really didn't like any of the other cars we've been cross shopping. Looks like my husband might win and we'll be driving home in a sky blue cx5 in a few weeks...

PhoenixINX
04-26-2012, 08:27 PM
Anyone know what width the GT wheels are?

I'm guessing we shouldn't have any issues stepping up to a 235/55, which is a readily available size in the Parada Spec-X (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Yokohama&tireModel=Parada+Spec-X&partnum=355VR9PSX&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes). That's the hot tire on the Audi forums for the Q5/Q7, so there is no reason it wouldn't perform well on our CX-5, and it's a good price for what it is.

A HUGE benefit that I'm looking forward to is the far increased tread life... Moving from a 5k+ lbs Q7, the CX-5 should be FAR more gentle on a set of tires. :D

CX-SV
04-26-2012, 08:31 PM
19's are 7.0" wide. Curious if Parada Spec-X come in 235-50-19?

PhoenixINX
04-26-2012, 08:37 PM
19's are 7.0" wide. Curious if Parada Spec-X come in 235-50-19?

Doesn't look like it, per Tire Rack. Oddly Yokohama doesn't even list the 19" on their site... http://parada-specx.com/sizes.php

ZuluCX
04-26-2012, 10:03 PM
the spec-x is only available in 235-55-19


edit my post the w-drive is a winter tire...sorry

inodes
04-26-2012, 11:37 PM
Found out that one of the Toyo factories was in Sendai, and was affected by the Tsunami. But this problem was solved due to a Toyo factory in the US, exporting to Japan.

The factory in Bartow County, Georgia accounts for a large percentage of production.

If there were ever a problem with tyre production in Japan, surely the Georgia factory (or Chinese factory) would come into play to sort out production delays.

Production in Georgia has been so strong that they even expanded last year:
http://gov.georgia.gov/00/press/detail/0,2668,165937316_172445682_173313475,00.html

Puja McGriddle
04-30-2012, 03:19 PM
As a weirdo who bought a GT but had them swap the 17's for it I can fabricate a reason why this came about:

the specific 19" tire size has a single tire made by Kumho and (Toyo?). Go to TireRack, Tires.com, etc. and search the 19's size and become dismayed by the lack of choice and outrageous price (same exact Kumho on the 17's cost 50%). I LOVED the look of those 19s, but come on Mazda, the CX-5 ain't worth $900/tire change.

More likely, your dealership is stalling for time. Salesmen don't know squat about their own product, let alone the logistics of what's coming to port. My wife's CX-5 test driver explained how the CX-5 had rear seat ventilation ports in the back of the center console. IDK, maybe the nitwit thought she was blind? Subsequent sales mgr. (trying to force an on the spot sale) explained to me how awesome Mazdas were in comparison to much smaller companies like Subaru - who only make like 3 vehicles. ??? Point is, they will say anything.

No harm in talking to another dealership to see what their line is on the situation... most dealers have NO loyalty to you, don't fool yourself into being loyal to them.

BTW, we picked ours up on the 25th from the best-rated dealer in Georgia... they had to drive it in from N.C. because they're selling so hot. ...with as hard as they looked, I would've heard the same line, I imagine, if true.

geocord
04-30-2012, 03:25 PM
I'm just wondering if the market for this size 19" tire won't expeand as it seems that tires on just about all vehicles are getting huge. That should bring down the price and unless you just drive the snot out of your car the tires should last three to four years, no?

CX-SV
04-30-2012, 04:19 PM
^ Yes, that's why I'm not worried about it and have no plans to replace tires for at least 3 years. It's not like the expensive rear tires on a Porsche lasting only 10K miles.

The market for 19's has expanded a lot in last decade (in US market). I have 19's on my Lexus and many BMW, Mercedes, Infiniti, Audi, Porsche, Ford, GM, Chrysler models have them now.

rianoel
05-01-2012, 08:02 PM
According to our dealer, the GT Trim production is now Un-hiatused. The red CX-5 GT w/ tech package that I have been trying to buy for over a month is back on the June shipment.

Good luck to any other frustrated buyers out there...

Bokeh28
05-03-2012, 11:19 AM
Thanks, for the help everyone. Good to know that production is starting up again, if it ever really stopped! I spoke to another dealer today and they were taking orders for GTs so yes it seems that all is well. We will probably stick with our original salesman though, since he is actually an acquaintance of ours. And on an even better note, I think I have finally given in and will be pulling the trigger on a sky blue gt. Finally got to see one in person and it is actually really good looking IMO. it's bright and bold which fits me to a T :D. I will be sure to post picks when we get it in a couple of weeks!

tsx2004
05-17-2012, 11:19 AM
The GT trim is pretty rare for the last couple weeks. I hope the dealers will get more GT soon again