Mazda5 Review in LA Times

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From the Los Angeles Times
RUMBLE SEAT DAN NEIL
Married with children?
The frugal and frisky Mazda5 'space wagon' has a place for everything, including four kids.

DAN NEIL
May 17, 2006

ALTHOUGH Mazda avoids the term like the Florida GOP avoids Katherine Harris, the Mazda5 is indisputably a minivan a three-row, six-passenger vehicle with sliding doors along the fuselage. Given this morphology, what else could you call it? The company favors, rather lamely, the term "multi-activity vehicle." What, casino gambling, Zen archery, pagan sacrifice? Please.

Can we just get over the minivan stigma? You could fill the Suez Canal with all the gasoline wasted because suburban breeders afraid that a minivan would make them look like, well, exactly what they are opted instead for three tons of big ugly SUV. Look, the cultural code of minivans is confused. Minivans are sexy. If nothing else, they are proof positive that you have had successful and productive congress with the opposite sex. Can you say as much for a Corvette? I don't think so.

So, yes, a minivan, albeit one seen through the small end of the telescope. Built on the chassis and sharing the mechanicals of the Mazda3 compact sedan, the Mazda5 is a half-foot shorter and narrower, and nearly 1,000 pounds lighter, than the genre template Dodge Caravan, and on first sight seems to have a case of shrinkage to rival one of David Blaine's vital appendages.

That disagreeable image aside, it's actually a pretty decent-looking vehicle, with much of the urban voltage of Mazda's other compact-sport offerings. Our up-level Touring edition tester ($19,510 base price) was bedecked in sassy street couture: sill extensions, a roof spoiler, 17-inch alloy wheels, fog lights, blacked-out grille and mirrored vertical tail lamps. With its bullet nose, steeply raked windshield, tapering-to-aft glassy sections and circumferential fender roundels, the Mazda5 looks rather like a Mercedes R-Class as designed by Japanese wood nymphs.

Like the R-Class, the Mazda5 features bucket seats in the front and mid rows, as well as a bench seat in the rear. The mid-row seats slide fore and aft, and the convenience tray between them -- Mazda calls it the "karakuri" (karakuri being the Japanese word for, um, "divine storage bin"?) folds and stows under the right-side seat cushion to allow walk-through access to the rear.

Make that "crawl through." The rear bench seat, elevated slightly to provide passengers better outward sightlines, is wedged tightly between the wheel wells, and for most adults going back there will feel like climbing into an upholstered mailbox.

That's OK, because this packaging solution -- 2+2+2, a type of vehicle known in Europe and Japan as a "space wagon" is geared primarily toward urban families with young children. If you've ever wrestled, Laocoon-style, with a child's car seat in a crowded parking lot, the easy access of the sliding side doors (with a nearly 28-inch aperture) will fill you with teary gratitude.

Meanwhile, if your multi-activities should include transporting bikes, gardening supplies or frat boys stiff with drink, the mid-row and rear seats fold flat (they don't quite form a flat load floor because of the space between the mid-row buckets). The cargo capacity is 44 cubic feet, about the same as a Ford Explorer.

Despite and indeed because of its size, the Mazda5 offers many consolations, which begin in the driver's seat. In a manner of a seaside resort's infinity pool, the open cockpit space commingles with the panoramic view beyond the A-pillars and windows (the hood drops off so steeply from the windshield that it's invisible). The comfortable, armrest-equipped driver's seat is tall and upright, as it properly should be in a vehicle designed for close-quarters urban driving.

The central console is trimmed in brushed alloy, and climate, audio and optional navigation systems are stacked in an orderly and sensible way sensible not always being Mazda interiors' mtier. The cockpit accessories are backlit in a soft green rather than the Hebrew National orange of the Mazda3. As you might expect in so family-friendly a vehicle, the rest of the interior is abloom with cup holders, cubbies, stowage bins, power outlets, mirrors and courtesy lights all of it destined to become quite sticky.

The transmission console is a banked panel below the dash where, in our tester, the stubby stick shift resided in its stitched-leatherette gusset. Reminded me of some Nissan vans and one Alfa Romeo I used to love. To the left was the tidy control panel for the optional navigation system ($2,000), the screen for which resided in a motorized clamshell compartment atop the dash.

Another notable high-end option is the overhead DVD entertainment system. Next year, I understand, Mazda will offer a Grand Touring edition with heated leather seats, high-intensity headlights and perhaps Isofix child-seat fasteners in the third row. In the meantime, the 2006 model is a lot of minivan or space wagon, or multi-activity vehicle, or snow blower for the money.

IT'S also a frisky little thing, thanks to its close mechanical kinship with the Mazda3. Inboard of the 17-inch V-rated radials are the same front MacPherson struts (with offset coils and anti-roll bars) and rear multi-link suspension, all of it giving the car a tensed and tuned feel through tire-scuffing corners. Considering that the Mazda5 weighs a full quarter-ton more than the 3, this suspension does a heroic job fighting off body roll while providing unusually civil ride compliance for so short a wheelbase. The steering is husky, well-weighted and quick to react more MX-5 Miata than Mazda MPV and generally, the vehicle is just a kooky pleasure to drive.

It's not particularly quick, of course. Even flogged mercilessly with the five-speed stick, the 2.3-liter, four-cylinder (157 hp) can pull around 3,381 pounds only so fast. Zero-to-60 times are in the mid-9s. And yet, from stoplight to stoplight, the Mazda5 zings and sings without complaint and at cruising speeds the van simply breezes along.

I can forgive less-than-blazing speed in a vehicle that charms and delivers as well as this one. Are you the wheelman of some starter family out in the exurban boonies? Do you need great gas mileage, lots of flexible cargo space and fret-free access to child safety seats? I have some bad news, Jethro. You need a minivan.

The Mazda5 is the good news.

Automotive critic Dan Neil can be reached at dan.neil@ latimes.com.

2006 Mazda5 Touring
Base price: $19,510
Price, as tested: $21,510
Powertrain: 2.3-liter, 16-valve DOHC inline four cylinder with variable valve timing and variable induction; five-speed manual transmission; front-wheel drive
Horsepower: 157 at 6,500 rpm
Torque: 148 pound-feet at 4,500 rpm
Curb weight: 3,333 pounds
0-60 mph: 9 seconds
Wheelbase: 108.3 inches
Overall length: 181.5 inches
EPA fuel economy: 22 miles per gallon city, 27 mpg highway

Final thoughts: Space wagons, the final frontier
 
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I don't care what Dan calls it.

I'm loving my 5. Its just the most practical damm (misspelled on purpose) vehicle I've owned. It has the space of an SUV, drives like a (sports) car, and gets great mileage. I've owned a 92 Civic hatchback, 95 Civic EX sedan, 01 Accord EX, 03 Mustang GT and my wife has had a 92 Accord EX, 97 Crew Cab/short bed Powerstroke Ford truck, 00 Expedition, 02 Expedition, and now an 04 Ford Excursion with the 6.0L Powerstroke. This is by far the best of all worlds wrapped up in a great looking, ergonomic package.

I'd buy another one in a heartbeat.

Matt
 
that guy is obviously a frustrated novelist who while working on the great american novel writes car reviews to make coffee money.

I dont know about you, but my 5 goes quite fast.
 
This is one of those writers that makes his work excessively wordy to try to cover up the lack of substance and intelligence about the subject. Maybe he thinks he's impressing somebody.
 
jandree22 said:
This is one of those writers that makes his work excessively wordy to try to cover up the lack of substance and intelligence about the subject. Maybe he thinks he's impressing somebody.
That's what makes the review enjoyable. We have a guy here, Bud Wells, that does car reviews for the Rocky Mountain News. Strictly to the point with the facts. His reviews are as bland as a peanut butter and rocks sandwich. You're all pissed cause he called it a minivan? IT IS A MINIVAN! And it's not fast, either. Fast enough for most people, and for what it is, but not a rocket by any means.

I thought it was a good review, very positive.
 
it was a good, positive review... but its a MINI-minivan... duh :p

and slow or not i still want one.
 
Being a 5 owner myself, I wasn't offended by this review. It was overall, pretty positive. And yes, I would also consider it a van. I think the more appropriate term would be microvan or space wagon.
 
I have to say the review was fairly constructed. If you bought the 5 for the right reasons it serves it purpose. He nailed it right there when he said it was for a family with young kids. And for me, that's why i bought the 5, it's the perfect size for a family of four (kids are 5 and 2). Not too big, not too small, but just enough room for everyone and whatever we need to haul. It cracks me up when i hear people complain about how slow it is. Well if you want speed then you're lookin' at the wrong car. Also consider the fact that this vehicle is one of a kind, there's nothing like it out there really. People are just entitled to their own opinion that's all, kinda like if i were out in the market for a sport compact tuner, I don't think i'll be considering the 3 or the protege coz they're are fairly weak compared to the honda's. I love my 5 and i thank mazda for creating such a versatile, affordable, economical car or minivan, or whatever you want to call it. (peep)
 
geezerz99 said:
........ kinda like if i were out in the market for a sport compact tuner, I don't think i'll be considering the 3 or the protege coz they're are fairly weak compared to the honda's.....peep)
(rofl2) (rofl2) (rofl2) (rofl2) (rofl2)
 
i certainly didn't mean to imply that I thought it was dumb that he was being a bit more colorful, quite the opposite in fact :)

But I still disagree that it's underpowered :D
 
Ditto!

What a coincidence... my kids area also 5 and 2, and we purchased our M5 for the same reasons. Often times we need the extra people and/or cargo space that our 94 Ford Escort Wagon can't deliver anymore. Most SUV's or wagons still only seat 5... that extra seat makes a BIG difference. I find it funny/sad that all the other major manufacturers offer cars like this everywhere else in the world, but not for N America (Toyota offers a similar model in the UK, with the pitch that you can "keep the kids and the car"). Of course, all the manufacturers here (except for Mazda) seem to think we only want automatic transmissions too. Bravo Mazda for having the guts to offer this kind of vehicle to us (and in a stick... Zoom-zoom). And guess what, nowhere else in the world do they call these cars "minivans"...

geezerz99 said:
I have to say the review was fairly constructed. If you bought the 5 for the right reasons it serves it purpose. He nailed it right there when he said it was for a family with young kids. And for me, that's why i bought the 5, it's the perfect size for a family of four (kids are 5 and 2). Not too big, not too small, but just enough room for everyone and whatever we need to haul. It cracks me up when i hear people complain about how slow it is. Well if you want speed then you're lookin' at the wrong car. Also consider the fact that this vehicle is one of a kind, there's nothing like it out there really. People are just entitled to their own opinion that's all, kinda like if i were out in the market for a sport compact tuner, I don't think i'll be considering the 3 or the protege coz they're are fairly weak compared to the honda's. I love my 5 and i thank mazda for creating such a versatile, affordable, economical car or minivan, or whatever you want to call it. (peep)
 
dommo_g said:
That's what makes the review enjoyable. We have a guy here, Bud Wells, that does car reviews for the Rocky Mountain News. Strictly to the point with the facts. His reviews are as bland as a peanut butter and rocks sandwich. You're all pissed cause he called it a minivan? IT IS A MINIVAN! And it's not fast, either.
I don't disagree with the fact that he called it a minivan, I disagree that he took 3 paragraphs to do so :)

...just seems like every single sentence required him to use a thesaurus or cheesy analogy.
 
Automobile Magazine review

If the LA Times gave you a headache, then you better not read the review from Automobile Magazine...

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/minivans/0510_mazda_5/

At least the Times writer understands the niche this vehicle fills for the rest of the world. Talk about car classification bias! If you thought the Times got hung up on calling it a "minivan", then you don't want to read this. Seriously folks... we M5 owners know this, but the rest of the US doesn't seem to realize it because we defy classification - I didn't by the 5 because I wanted a minivan... I bought it because I DIDN'T want a minivan (or an SUV)! Of course, I'm preaching to the choir...
 
Lol i didnt mean to bring this one back from the dead but i just loved this quote:

"Minivans are sexy. If nothing else, they are proof positive that you have had successful and productive congress with the opposite sex. Can you say as much for a Corvette? I don't think so."
 
I don't care what the obese people say about the Mazda5! It's the right size for me and my family, it's probably one of the best handling in it's category whatever that is. If it can't fit their wide butts and can't handle the weight of their fats, then I'm very sorry for them because they just missed out on the best deal one could ever have. (drive2)
 
. This is by far the best of all worlds wrapped up in a great looking, ergonomic package.Matt
It fits in quite well in the driveway with my Miata !! The funny thing is my wife did all the research and settled on the "5" just as the last child (my son) is off to college! She is fond of saying that the car is the most adaptable vehicle to our lifestyle, which involves toting groceries, camping gear, occasional kids/grandkids, etc. We had a Dodge Caravan many years ago, when the kids were youngsters, and it wasn't half as "convertible" as this is. So in a strange way, we have 2 convertibles, albeit with different interpretations of the word!
 
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