Another New Sport Compact

**mikeyb** · 11-08-2003, 09:14 AM

I was browsing on www.autoweek.com and came acrossed an article about SEMA. Toyota is going to release a 04 Corolla XRS to compete in the sport compact car market.

http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content...._code=04358848

What do you all think???

Matthew · 11-08-2003, 09:15 AM

needs a drop...what pisses me off, is as soon as it comes out, theyll be like 1 million parts for it.

**mikeyb** · 11-08-2003, 09:18 AM

It does look like a rally car. And your right about a 1 million parts will be available for it.. Like the supercharger from the Matrix/Vibe.

mcstark · 11-08-2003, 09:21 AM

Yeah, but it's a Toyota so it will ride like a couch off the showroom floor. And they're "remapped" it to get more mid-range torque. That motor is weak! Sure it's got 175 horse, but it will be a dog in everyday traffic.

I love my Mazda truck engine!

tonkabui · 11-08-2003, 09:30 AM

hmm... i like the idea, but i don't think it's gonna work out too well since the corolla is now famous for its bullet proof reliability and lexus-like ride (read boring ass drive and really dead handling characterstics). i don't think sticking in a steroidal engine will woo buyers into seeing past its corolla-ness. maybe if they brought back the corolla coupe or something.

Micah · 11-08-2003, 09:43 AM

Although pricing has not been set, Esmond said the XRS will cost about $2,500 more than the top-end model. The top of the line 2004 Corolla LE starts at $15,265, including freight.

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I think it will do pretty well, that yamaha 1.8 liter engine has gotten alot of great reviews, and makes nearly 100 HP per liter.

You also do realize that Toyota is the most powerful car company in the world. Highest Worldwide revenues and sales. For like the past 6 years.

But yeah, I have to agree - their latest cars are some of the most uninspiring cars I have driven .

Excitmnt94 · 11-09-2003, 10:34 AM

not a big fan. i just dont like the way it looks...little to no personality. and im also not a fan of cars that make no power until about 5K RPM. like someone else said...a pain in the ass 95% of the time. you have to drive it like you hate it to get any performance out of it.

JMS'sMSP · 11-09-2003, 10:44 AM

Yeah even Saturn is getting in on the sport compact class. With a 200hp Ion. Supercharged not Turbo though...

Andres · 11-09-2003, 11:26 AM

That XRS won't work in my formula...

For me there's like 3 different CAMRY style variations in Toyota's line: 1st the Camry, 2nd the up-town Camry (read Lexus ES300), and 3rd the little brother Camry (read Corolla).
Toyota's design is simply so boring!!!, actually I prefered so much more the previous Corolla design than the current one!, this new Corolla looks tall and thin while the previous model (not crazy about it anyway) at least looked wider and lower...

When that person from Toyota in Autoweek's article says they're encouraged by the response they have had on the "S" model, it just seems to me like the "great response" Mitsubishi got on the O.Z. Rally edition Lancer, which I believe is all show no go...

Anyway, that kind of car won't tempt me at all... the outside has to tell me something besides whatever is under the hood, and I'm not talking about some spoilers and ground effects.

Later,
Andrés.

**mikeyb** · 11-13-2003, 06:57 AM

I still think the Corolla is still your average grandmother's car. Look at Toyota's model line. Really what do they have for excitment? Yes they have the Celica and MR2. Toyota doesn't offer many vehicles that grab your attention.

CruzinAltitude · 11-13-2003, 07:00 AM

styling = yawn

**mikeyb** · 01-07-2004, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Andres
That XRS won't work in my formula...

For me there's like 3 different CAMRY style variations in Toyota's line: 1st the Camry, 2nd the up-town Camry (read Lexus ES300), and 3rd the little brother Camry (read Corolla).
Toyota's design is simply so boring!!!, actually I prefered so much more the previous Corolla design than the current one!, this new Corolla looks tall and thin while the previous model (not crazy about it anyway) at least looked wider and lower...

When that person from Toyota in Autoweek's article says they're encouraged by the response they have had on the "S" model, it just seems to me like the "great response" Mitsubishi got on the O.Z. Rally edition Lancer, which I believe is all show no go...

Anyway, that kind of car won't tempt me at all... the outside has to tell me something besides whatever is under the hood, and I'm not talking about some spoilers and ground effects.

Later,
Andrés.

Yes the Corrolla S and Lancer OZ Rally are very similar with all the visual add ons as the XRS and Lancer Ralliart are similar with the visual and performance add ons. All four cars fit a role in each manufacturer linup.

Heres some more pics:

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame...ar.mv&num=1805

II-Savy · 01-08-2004, 08:25 AM

styling = yawn......what he said.

uclap5 · 01-08-2004, 09:00 PM

i bet they could make good money bringing back the ae86....

Swerny · 01-22-2004, 07:59 PM

That's a POS IMO.
$2500 more than the top Corolla, 16 inch wheels? Lowered half an inch only?
Corollas and Echos are way too tall, and like Honda, have wheels that are way too small.
If they had dropped that SOB another inch, tucked at least 17's, and put on a decent front fascia /air dam, it would have looked respectable.
I read an article on the Celica GTS years ago that said Toyota tried to out-Honda Honda with the 8000 rpm redline etc. It's not useable at all. Look at the torque #'s...very Civic like.

11-08-2003, 09:14 AM	#1
mikeyb Registered User Donated: $20 Automotive News Moderator 01 BMW 325xi Touring Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Raw-chest-ah, nh Posts: 15,170	Another New Sport Compact I was browsing on www.autoweek.com and came acrossed an article about SEMA. Toyota is going to release a 04 Corolla XRS to compete in the sport compact car market. http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content...._code=04358848 What do you all think??? __________________ ____________ 2001 BMW 325xi Touring with Premuim Package 2003 Nissan Altima 3.5 SE (For Sale) 2006 Ford Focus ZX3 SES Near Future 2011 Brammo Empulse and Mini Cooper S (OO=[][]=OO)

11-08-2003, 09:18 AM	#3
mikeyb Registered User Donated: $20 Automotive News Moderator 01 BMW 325xi Touring Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Raw-chest-ah, nh Posts: 15,170	It does look like a rally car. And your right about a 1 million parts will be available for it.. Like the supercharger from the Matrix/Vibe. __________________ Sigs are visible only in your first post on a page. To change your thread display preferences, click here and enable 'Always Show Signature'.

11-08-2003, 09:21 AM	#4
mcstark Once you go black... `03 P5 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 784	Yeah, but it's a Toyota so it will ride like a couch off the showroom floor. And they're "remapped" it to get more mid-range torque. That motor is weak! Sure it's got 175 horse, but it will be a dog in everyday traffic. I love my Mazda truck engine! __________________ Regards, Mark ZOOM ZOOM 2003 Black Mica P5 Factory: 5 speed, leather interior, sunroof, 6-disc changer, ABS & side-airbags. Aftermarket: G2 Caliper Paint (red), MP3 pedal covers, CX7 antenna & Yakima Cobra bike rack.

11-08-2003, 09:30 AM	#5
tonkabui Little Asian Member 2002.5 protege5 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 4,043	hmm... i like the idea, but i don't think it's gonna work out too well since the corolla is now famous for its bullet proof reliability and lexus-like ride (read boring ass drive and really dead handling characterstics). i don't think sticking in a steroidal engine will woo buyers into seeing past its corolla-ness. maybe if they brought back the corolla coupe or something. __________________ if i were an enzyme i would be DNA helicase so i could unzip your genes if i was endoplasmic reticulum, how would you want me: smooth or rough?

11-09-2003, 10:34 AM	#7
Excitmnt94 I'm really not obsessed.. 2003 VW GTI 1.8T Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 188	not a big fan. i just dont like the way it looks...little to no personality. and im also not a fan of cars that make no power until about 5K RPM. like someone else said...a pain in the ass 95% of the time. you have to drive it like you hate it to get any performance out of it. __________________

11-08-2003, 09:15 AM	#2
Matthew P5 to P5T to WRX to Z06 Donated: Stopped $5/mo Afghanistan Moderator 2003 Corvette Z06 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Fort Huachuca, AZ Posts: 19,998	needs a drop...what pisses me off, is as soon as it comes out, theyll be like 1 million parts for it.

11-09-2003, 10:44 AM	#8
JMS'sMSP Wishing changes nothing. Donated: 10$ 2005 RX8 Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 577	Yeah even Saturn is getting in on the sport compact class. With a 200hp Ion. Supercharged not Turbo though... __________________

11-09-2003, 11:26 AM	#9
Andres New project RX8 40th Anniversary Ed. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 265	That XRS won't work in my formula... For me there's like 3 different CAMRY style variations in Toyota's line: 1st the Camry, 2nd the up-town Camry (read Lexus ES300), and 3rd the little brother Camry (read Corolla). Toyota's design is simply so boring!!!, actually I prefered so much more the previous Corolla design than the current one!, this new Corolla looks tall and thin while the previous model (not crazy about it anyway) at least looked wider and lower... When that person from Toyota in Autoweek's article says they're encouraged by the response they have had on the "S" model, it just seems to me like the "great response" Mitsubishi got on the O.Z. Rally edition Lancer, which I believe is all show no go... Anyway, that kind of car won't tempt me at all... the outside has to tell me something besides whatever is under the hood, and I'm not talking about some spoilers and ground effects. Later, Andrés. __________________

11-13-2003, 06:57 AM	#10
mikeyb Registered User Donated: $20 Automotive News Moderator 01 BMW 325xi Touring Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Raw-chest-ah, nh Posts: 15,170	I still think the Corolla is still your average grandmother's car. Look at Toyota's model line. Really what do they have for excitment? Yes they have the Celica and MR2. Toyota doesn't offer many vehicles that grab your attention. __________________ Sigs are visible only in your first post on a page. To change your thread display preferences, click here and enable 'Always Show Signature'. Last edited by mikeyb; 11-13-2003 at 06:59 AM.

11-13-2003, 07:00 AM	#11
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uclap5 UCLA p5 Donated: $6.66 Big Blue Bus Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,009	i bet they could make good money bringing back the ae86....

01-22-2004, 07:59 PM	#15
Swerny Canadian, eh? 2008.5 Mazda 3 Sport GT Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto, CANADA Posts: 2,212	That's a POS IMO. $2500 more than the top Corolla, 16 inch wheels? Lowered half an inch only? Corollas and Echos are way too tall, and like Honda, have wheels that are way too small. If they had dropped that SOB another inch, tucked at least 17's, and put on a decent front fascia /air dam, it would have looked respectable. I read an article on the Celica GTS years ago that said Toyota tried to out-Honda Honda with the 8000 rpm redline etc. It's not useable at all. Look at the torque #'s...very Civic like. __________________ Swerny 2008.5 Mazda 3 Sport GT 2003 Mazdaspeed Protege (sold) Last edited by Swerny; 03-16-2004 at 08:42 AM.

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