FS-DE Oil System - Page 29

boostdprotegelx · 11-01-2009, 05:09 PM

got a question..

would sending you guys a used oil pump be pointless?? or do they not really wear out? i have a couple used pumps but i'm just not sure if what you guys do will extend the life, or basically start its new life...

MP3racer · 11-01-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by boostdprotegelx

got a question..

would sending you guys a used oil pump be pointless?? or do they not really wear out? i have a couple used pumps but i'm just not sure if what you guys do will extend the life, or basically start its new life...

Most used oil pumps can be serviced. (Altough, it really depends upon how they were used.) The vast majority of used pumps that have been sent in have worked just fine. With the service, they usually return to somewhere in the middle of the OE spec range.

No matter if the pump is new or used, when we receive it, it will be opened up and initial specs will be taken. Those specs will be PM'd to you so that you can determine if you want to have the service done for that specific pump.

And don't forget about the current FREE HAT OFFER with every new order in the next week!

Matt V · 11-11-2009, 01:02 PM

So bottom line, how much is the price for the oil pump modification if I send one to you and what is the average turn around time?

And this will for sure fix the oil feeding issues the FS-DE's have?

MP3racer · 11-11-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt V

So bottom line, how much is the price for the oil pump modification if I send one to you and what is the average turn around time?

And this will for sure fix the oil feeding issues the FS-DE's have?

The service to bring an oil pump up to best specs is $100. The average turn around time is three weeks.

The oil pump itself helps but without switching the pressure releif valve to external (and purchasing an external pressure releif valve from us) and installing the system as described in this thread you will not get the full benefit of the system that has been run by several forum members here that can attest for its results.

Matt V · 11-11-2009, 06:31 PM

How much extra to switch it to the external pressure relief valve? Does this do anything to make the car less reliable or anything? In other words, could I safely daily drive on this?

MP3racer · 11-11-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt V

How much extra to switch it to the external pressure relief valve? Does this do anything to make the car less reliable or anything? In other words, could I safely daily drive on this?

By going to external PRV you actually make it much more reliable. The conversion to your pump is free with the purchase of the external PRV which is $130. You will need to source the adapter plates and hoses for this install. The diagram and discussion is in this thread. The parts can be sourced from many places. Protege garage has a nice kit, ebay, jegs and summit have parts as well.

MP3racer · 11-11-2009, 06:40 PM

Again if it helps, there are some pics of the system in #268 of this thread and a drawing of the layout in #284

Matt V · 11-11-2009, 07:04 PM

Ok so in addition to the pump done by you we would also need an oil filter relocation kit and a girdle on the block if we don't wanna weld anything onto our oil pan?

Also, you should be able to remove the oil pump without removing the motor if we can remove the pan, correct?

MP3racer · 11-11-2009, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt V

Ok so in addition to the pump done by you we would also need an oil filter relocation kit and a girdle on the block if we don't wanna weld anything onto our oil pan?

Also, you should be able to remove the oil pump without removing the motor if we can remove the pan, correct?

That sounds like it...pump service($100) + external PRV ($130) + average return shipping ($15) = $245

You source oil filter relocation kit and girdle with bung welded on for return line from the external PRV

You should be able to remove the oil pump without removing the motor. It is a bit of a squeeze but possible.

Alamo1 · 11-12-2009, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MP3racer

That sounds like it...pump service($100) + external PRV ($130) + average return shipping ($15) = $235

You source oil filter relocation kit and girdle with bung welded on for return line from the external PRV

You should be able to remove the oil pump without removing the motor. It is a bit of a squeeze but possible.

Tom, You should have a look at your math there! Unless you're using some sort of far out there algebra to do your calculations...

MP3racer · 11-12-2009, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Alamo1

Tom, You should have a look at your math there! Unless you're using some sort of far out there algebra to do your calculations...

Sorry...correction made! It was a long day

Alamo1 · 11-12-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MP3racer

Sorry...correction made! It was a long day

I just thought it was funny cuz usually I make mistakes like that and nobody points them out to me....

Maxx Mazda · 11-12-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt V

Ok so in addition to the pump done by you we would also need an oil filter relocation kit and a girdle on the block if we don't wanna weld anything onto our oil pan?

Also, you should be able to remove the oil pump without removing the motor if we can remove the pan, correct?

You *can* remove the pump with the engine still in the car, but it's a good 2 day job if you do it that way. You have to re-time the engine once you install the new pump, and that alone is a tedious task espesially in the car. For me, I have no emmissions crap or anything, I can have my engine and tranny out within 90 minutes. It really doesn't take as long as you'd think. SO yes, you can do it with the engine in the car, but you need to remove the transmission anyway to get the windage tray off, to get the oil pump to make a good seal, as well as to tap the windage tray.

The oil pump is really "buried" in there, I wouldn't suggest attempting it with the engine still in the car.

03.5MSP · 11-12-2009, 08:22 PM

Hey, Tom how about those specs on the FSDE motor you guys are running?? I know you mentioned something about larger bearing, etc.

MP3racer · 11-12-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 03.5MSP

Hey, Tom how about those specs on the FSDE motor you guys are running?? I know you mentioned something about larger bearing, etc.

Yes, we have found a true race bearing for the rods that we use in our motors. Requires recutting the rods for the bearing notch on the opposite side but otherwise have been great! I can supply for anyone interested but are pricey. I'll have to check current price.

What other specs are you interested in??

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Matt V Mazdaspeed Whore Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Texas Motor Speedway Posts: 676	So bottom line, how much is the price for the oil pump modification if I send one to you and what is the average turn around time? And this will for sure fix the oil feeding issues the FS-DE's have? __________________ \|\| Alpine \| DDM Tuning \| Injen \| Mazdaspeed \| Racing Beat \| Tokico \|\| P5 stuff for sale

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Matt V Mazdaspeed Whore Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Texas Motor Speedway Posts: 676	How much extra to switch it to the external pressure relief valve? Does this do anything to make the car less reliable or anything? In other words, could I safely daily drive on this? __________________ Sigs are visible only in your first post on a page. To change your thread display preferences, click here and enable 'Always Show Signature'.

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Matt V Mazdaspeed Whore Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Texas Motor Speedway Posts: 676	Ok so in addition to the pump done by you we would also need an oil filter relocation kit and a girdle on the block if we don't wanna weld anything onto our oil pan? Also, you should be able to remove the oil pump without removing the motor if we can remove the pan, correct? __________________ Sigs are visible only in your first post on a page. To change your thread display preferences, click here and enable 'Always Show Signature'.

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03.5MSP 215whp @ 9.5psi Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Philly Posts: 1,149	Hey, Tom how about those specs on the FSDE motor you guys are running?? I know you mentioned something about larger bearing, etc. __________________

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MP3racer Registered User Authorized Vendor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 521	Again if it helps, there are some pics of the system in #268 of this thread and a drawing of the layout in #284

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