Up Boost to 8lbs PSI?

[Orlandoech]

I have a MSP and the mods below, I was thinking and thinking and thinking and contemplating and contemplating upping my PSI from 6.5lbs PSI to 8lbs PSI with a manual boost controller.

My questions are:
1. Will i be fine with my stock internals and etc?
2. What are the chances I will blow a piston/rod/etc?
3. How many people have been good to go just uping PSI by 1-2lbs?

Any additional info is greatly appreciated as well, thanks.

[jflo]

you should be fine at 8 pounds...just get a boost gauge to make sure you're at the proper level. i think that midpipe you have would increase boost by about .5~1 psi.

[Orlandoech]

i have a boost gauge thats how i know im at 6.5psi. So u think ill be fine? Also if i raise it from 6.5 to 8 how much WHP will I gain and what will it ACTUALLY do for me?

[MSP #167]

you'll probably gain like 10-15whp, by upping it to 8

[BlkZoomZoom]

There is no set gain you will get for each puond of boost. Every car is different. Also the modifications you do will increase or decrease hp expontentially with boost change.

[Orlandoech]

you'll probably gain like 10-15whp, by upping it to 8


so i might gain between a guesstimate of 10+ whp or so.... and i will MOST LIKELY be OK with my stock internals if i do so?

[BlkZoomZoom]

gotta pay to play.

[Orlandoech]

gotta pay to play.
WTF does that mean? goota pay to play?

Can u be a little more helpful.... like do u think i will be fine with my stock internals?

[xxxcool21]

you'll most likely be fine, most members dont have the control to keep the boost safe at 6-9lbs they raise to 12-15 on stock internals.

I've personally been at 11psi flashed with just colder spark plugs for almost two years and my car is running great at 40k

[xxxcool21]

boost is an addiction, stay at 8 and you should be safe

[BlkZoomZoom]

It is impossible to say whether it will be "okay". Considering I have seen stock engines blow for less... much less. "gotta pay to play" means if you modify the car and it blows you know that Mazda will not pay to repair it, you will.

There is too many factors to consider to decide if the engine is going to be okay with increased power levels, however it "should" be okay.

[MSP #167]

blkzoom is right....there is no telling whether you will be 100% safe. But you should be considering you have decent mods done. We are just here to give you advice and tell you what could happen. People have blown engines at stock boost with no mods....others have blown at 10 psi with full supporting mods. Its really hard to say with these cars, they vary so much.

[Orlandoech]

blkzoom is right....there is no telling whether you will be 100% safe. But you should be considering you have decent mods done. We are just here to give you advice and tell you what could happen. People have blown engines at stock boost with no mods....others have blown at 10 psi with full supporting mods. Its really hard to say with these cars, they vary so much.


I have decent mods meaning? Dont up the boost or DO up it?

I know its a DAMN addiction but i only want to go to 8PSI and i know there is ALWAYS a possibility of SOMETHING happening, but lets look at statistics and "chances are" i will be fine? Correct?

[vindication]

do it!

[BlkZoomZoom]

If you want to up the boost do it. There more than likely will not be any problems. If there are, please don't start crying that mazda won't warranty the car.

[dirtysouth_msp]

There is only one way to figure it out...

[Orlandoech]

so y'all think all most likely be alright?

K ill think about a little more but this guy where i live is running 14lbs on COMPLETE STOCK... and i was like.... id turn it down... he said the guy he bought it off of used a EBC to raise it.

Thanks everyone. If anyone else has anything to add please do so thanks.

[dirtysouth_msp]

I would not follow that guy's example if I were you! I am almost willing to bet that he is not a member of this forum. 14lbs on stock everything is like a timebomb. It does not matter if he is using an EBC or a MBC. Plus, with all the restrictions in the stock setup, that extra boost is probably not giving him much gain.

Stock boost in my MSP, with my mods is around 7.5 psi. I have not had any problems so far. However, everyone's car is different like they said earlier in the thread.

Some MBC's are difficult to tune below 9 psi. I had a JoeP in for about a week and could not get it any lower. I guess it needed a lighter spring or something.

[Orlandoech]

no way in HELL im taking it to 14lbs and i told him he's lucky his car has lasted the 1month he's had it and it i recommended to him to turn it lower than 8-9psi cuz he was gonna blow something and u should have seen the look on his face...


DUMBFOUNDED.... he was like... UH REALLY. so i think i scared the hell outta him.

Ill take it to 8lbs maybe 9. Thanks.

[igdrasil]

If matters of engine internals, I been pushing 10psi for long, 11 and 12 for peaks and 14psi steady ocassionally. Its not a matter of boost. Its a matter of power output.

I have seen Stock Internals to hold 267whp @ 16psi, that of course with microtech.

The problem with stock ecu is the constant timing and fuel changes it does.

But for 8psi it must be ok if you monitor your A/F

[Orlandoech]

Well i do have my ECU flashed and i dont have a A/F gauge but everyone is telling me i should be fine with the mods i have running 8PSI with STOCK internals...

do u think they are right?

[igdrasil]

yep, is fine, My friend here has a 2003 mazdaspeed, hes been running 9psi completely stock, flashed, no problems at all. Now he upgraded to unichip, intercooler, downpipe, etc. Same boost. No problems either.

[Orlandoech]

what is "unichip" and where can i find DETAILED info about it? and how much does it cost and what does it do?

[low_psi]

SEARCH BUTTON. The Unichip is a plug and play(no wire splicing) piggyback engine management system. It can control fuel and timing maps and has many additional programmable options such as nitrous control, extra injectors, etc. It comes pretuned for stock boost and 10psi for a car with atleast intake and exhaust. You can toggle boost maps on the boost controller and fuel octance maps via in-cabin switches.

It costs around $875 and can be bought from www.corksport.com (http://www.corksport.com/) and www.horsepowerfreaks.com (http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/)

If you search you can find more info about it. If you have any other specific questions I can help you out.

EDIT-

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98304&highlight=unichip
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61306&highlight=unichip

[jeffmsp]

you are fine at 8psi. I would just skip the boost controller and wait til you can afford a side mount intercooler to properly cool the additional boost. The stock smic cant cool 6 psi effectively, so why not start there. From increased flow you will be at 8psi without the boost controller and it will be a nice cool 8psi because with a better ic you will get more hp/psi.

[Orlandoech]

how much BHP/WHP does it give u and it turns it up to 10lbs psi? also can u give me a direct link to it through http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com i cant seem to find it

[Orlandoech]

i have the CUSTOMMSP SMIC and all the mods below and i read 6.5psi

but i wanna take it to 8 maybe 9... will i be fine jeffmsp with my stock internals i really dont wanna spend $875 on the unichip.

[low_psi]

look under Mazda>Protege>Electronics>EMS Piggybacks
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/viewproduct~Mazda~Protege~~Electronics~Engine_Mgmt _Systems_-_PB~.html

"the test vehicle made 248hp and 220 ft/lbs @ 10psi."

[low_psi]

8-9psi is fine. please just buy a boost controller and be done with it. everytime someone adds their opinion you seem to be even more unsure about upping the boost... just do it! :)

[Orlandoech]

8-9psi is fine. please just buy a boost controller and be done with it. everytime someone adds their opinion you seem to be even more unsure about upping the boost... just do it! :)


lol ok... yeah i dont wanna spend $875 on a the UNICHIP too much $$$ for me right now... maybe ill do that in the future. I can do that with stock internals?

[CustomMSP]

Or if you're in doubt Don't do it :)

[Orlandoech]

Or if you're in doubt Don't do it :)

of coarse ima be doubtful when the stock internals suck and everyone says dont add toooo much. but 8psi is not much and i dont wanna spend $875 on the unichip but i wanna up the boost a titch-bit.

[A.V.MSP]

9 lbs you will be fine, if it helps just do it and check your plugs in like a week and make sure you are not running lean. If you do run lean turn down the boost.

[Orlandoech]

yeah ima do it but im also getting colder spark plugs too. which ones do u recommend?

anyway im going to bed ill reply in the morning.
Also what do u people think about this thing?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7955987831

the guy wont respond to my questions for some reason but his feedback on the item is 100%

[mazdaspeedpower]

my car runs at 8psi stock...I've tested it on several different guages and senders to make sure I'm not reading it wrong....so I'm pretty sure it'll hold steady. Also, I've boosted in 5th, with a full car, uphill in the cold, and not had any problems...I don't think I could stress the engine more...I'm not worried though, since the dealer still honours all warrenty work for me, since they installed the only mod I have, which is guages...so yes, 8-9psi is perfectly fine, ESPECIALLY with your mods man...the smic and free-er flowing exhaust make it that much safer. You could prolly run 10 fine...but I'd stick with 9psi for now, just to be safe.

[Riles]

I'm surprised nobody mentioned it yet, but DSM's AFC does almost exactly what the unichip does minus the electronic boost controller.

For 8 lbs, don't worry about any of that. The small raise in boost will be handled easily by the stock computer and everything. The only problem you may run in to is fuel cut if you live where it gets cold. I usually hit fuel cut at anything above stock boost if its less than 15 degrees F outside. But once it gets above 30 or 40 degrees, fuel cut is non existent.

Also, DSM's AFC will pretty much eliminate fuel cut at such a low boost level.

Personally, I have been running 9-11 psi (except in the temps i mentioned above) day in, day out for nearly a year now using an electronic boost controller. No problems to report. During the summer, I use methanol injection to cool the air down, but I'd imagine a good intercooler would be almost as efficient. I also run about 14 psi at the track using 32-34 degree methanol/water. But, I hit fuel cut when I do that occaisionally, and I don't have great mods to make that pressure really worth it (read: still slow).

So, in conclusion, raise your boost to 8 and don't worry about it. If you are considering anything higher than 10 or so, look into DSM's afc. Also, i recommend the EBC over the MBC, and a good used one can be had for 130-150 on ebay- thats where I got mine.

[poboxjosh]

what is "unichip" and where can i find DETAILED info about it? and how much does it cost and what does it do?

I love my unichip i think it is great for a newbie like myself. who doesnt know how to do any tuning. It comes with a boost controller and boost to 10 psi but it fixed all my airfuel problems. once you buy the unichip you can send it back to corksport after you have done all your mods and they will reprogram it for you. and it only takes like hour to install.

[TX Speed Demon]

Also what do u people think about this thing?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7955987831

the guy wont respond to my questions for some reason but his feedback on the item is 100%

It doesn't even say what this does. And 25 horsepower for $25, that's got to be bullshit. None of the feedback this guy got is for this product, it's all for license plate holders and gauge pods. I'd leave this alone if I were you. Save your money and get something like DSMs AFC which gives you tuning adjustability and is in the $350 range (not sure of exact price).

And as I said in the pm, you should be fine at 8-9psi. Just boost smart. (wink)

[TX Speed Demon]

^^Looks like that module is a resistor that tricks the computer to dump more fuel, most likely resulting in a car that boggs down real bad since we allready have too much fuel.

[jersey_emt]

My MSP boosted 8psi stock. You should be fine. No guarantees of course, but I beat the crap out of my car at 8-10psi (depending on the time of year). Had 37K on it before it was totalled, no engine problems at all

[Captain KRM P5]

you'll be fine

[Orlandoech]

Thanks so much everyone you guys have been so helpful with my decision. Im gonna go ahead and raise it to 8lbs.

I love this forum!!! Yeah that thingy on ebay seemed like BSSSSSSSSSSS

[Rawyzf]

Boom!

[Riles]

Boom!

Are you saying he will have trouble with 8 psi? Dude, the difference between 7 psi (typical stock pressure) and 8 psi is barely anything. Does your husband have an MSP too? (wiggle)

[Orlandoech]

im at 6.5psi but i wanna take it to 8psi

how much on avg. WHP will i get from taking it from 6.5 to 8psi?

[Riles]

Theoretically, you should gain around 13-15 at the crank. So, probably anywhere between 5 and 10 whp. I used a few of the turbo equations, but I'm not that great at math, so don't hold it against me if these are off by too much.

[Rawyzf]

It was a joke since he was so anal about knowing if he could up the boost :p

[Riles]

hehe, I was just playing around too. My dad always used to say that to me when he was kicking my butt in golf.

[jersey_emt]

im at 6.5psi but i wanna take it to 8psi

how much on avg. WHP will i get from taking it from 6.5 to 8psi?

eleventy billion WHP

[Rawyzf]

eleventy billion WHP

Way off Jersey, I can see at least 2 billion WHP.

[hazeXban]

Eleventy Billion is more than 2 billion...

[Rawyzf]

Eleventy Billion is more than 2 billion...

HAHAHA....I read Eleventy Billion as eventually a billion.....I'm a moron.

[Orlandoech]

well i was hoping for 1 Trillion WHP and 2 Trillion BHP

[Rawyzf]

sweet....well, 9 psi should do that for you then.
well i was hoping for 1 Trillion WHP and 2 Trillion BHP

[Swerny]

I'm not going to read 4 pages of BS, but 8 PSI SHOULD be no problem with your supporting mods.

[Rawyzf]

I'm not going to read 4 pages of BS, but 8 PSI SHOULD be no problem with your supporting mods.

Now that's BS (butt)

[Orlandoech]

I'm not going to read 4 pages of BS, but 8 PSI SHOULD be no problem with your supporting mods.


Sweet thanks and it is all BS....

Thanks to all your smart asses too!!! wouldnt be any BS without ya! (fu)

[poboxjosh]

^^Looks like that module is a resistor that tricks the computer to dump more fuel, most likely resulting in a car that boggs down real bad since we allready have too much fuel.


Yeah its just a resistor in a fancy box. JUNK my friend bought it to check it out.

[Orlandoech]

what are some good spark plugs that are cheap or at a decent price?

[TX Speed Demon]

^^ PM JDMSam.

He hooked me up with some NGK Iridium ones. I haven't installed them yet, but he said they made a nice difference on his and Linux's cars.

[KySpeed]

GET an IC and you'll bet at 8psi w/o a BC and still have your warntee

[Orlandoech]

HOLY HELL PEOPLE.... i have a CUSTOMMSP SMIC!!!!

[jeffmsp]

yes. the stock internals are a problem when you start making 225+whp. You will be fine.

Ive run up to 14psi @ redline using the stock ECU. luckily it was a very innefficient 14psi and i was injecting enough methenol to drain the winshield washer resovoir full or pure methenol in 10 mins of driving lol thats alot of spray/ BTW dont do that lol i only did it cause i dont like losing.

[StreakinOraNgeX]

if your literally run 8psi it should be fine... the problem is if you can get it to stay steady there. a mbc upping it 1.5 psi willl be pretty hard to tune it just right.

[jeffmsp]

ya you may want to consider having the wastegate adjusted to avoid spiking, cause I usually get a 1-3psi spike with an mbc. if you adjust the wastegate though your warranty is bye bye so use discretion. worst case scenerio you motor pops and you have to pull one from the wreckers, like blkzoomzoom says gotta pay to play cause remember its not mazdas fault if the motor blows , which means they wont cover itso use discretion.

if you just put a mbc on the line it might go up 1 or 2 psi at the lowest setting, so that might work ok for you.

[Orlandoech]

thanks peeps

[Drumfreak]

I haven't touched my boost. In 3rd gear my boost spikes to 9 and pulls at 7.5 to 8 psi. In 4th and 5th spikes to the same and pulls at 8 psi. 1st and 2nd gear I don't take the chance to look at the gauge cuz the car rips through those gears. Is that cuz my hardpipes and exhaust or the cold weather here in MN. This was when it was about 30 degrees. When it's closer to zero it pulls at 9 in the high gears. And sometimes spikes above 10 and hits spark cut. And nothing is wrong with my car yet.

[Orlandoech]

well im buying new NGK Iridium Spark plugs too...

[jersey_emt]

what are some good spark plugs that are cheap or at a decent price?

I used bare copper NGK plugs. Can't remember the exact part #.

Off-topic -- how do you like the CustomMSP's SMIC? We tested the prototype on my car....and I loved it!

[Orlandoech]

i love it... just re-installed it today...

[Orlandoech]

I raced a WRX today after i got it installed and was head to head. They were confused to begin with cuz they didnt know what a FAMILIA was... lol.

they asked me "what did u do to ur car" i said, just exhaust and a bov. They said "it sounds so nice" and i ask them what they had done and he said just exhaust and a bov too... lol. They said the other MSP they raced was slow... hehe... much have been the idiot running 14psi on a stock car. lol

[jeffmsp]

if you start from a launch the wrx should take you, but side by side starting in 2nd and you should win. wrxs are still nice though

[Orlandoech]

oh yea from a launch they will take me cuz of their lame ass AWD. but no we were going 40mhp and just down shifted.... they'll take me from the line but after 2nd gear i always catch up

[jeffmsp]

i raced my buddies rex when i was pretty much stock, from a roll we were even and from a launch it wasnt even close. now with my mods i beat him everytime, lol i dont even bother launching.

[Orlandoech]

yea i hate that AWD crapola. But I beat a SRT-4 as well... they all get confused... uh FAMILIA?... scratching their heads.... in a daze... cuz they think Mazdaspeeds are slow, which they are... lol.

They always ask "what u got in there?" i say "an engine"

[jeffmsp]

you beat a srt4? thats pretty good. I dont like racing those, they could have stage 1 2 or 3 mopar upgrades, scary... what do they do like low 14s stock? your pretty good then. From a launch or going side by side? i wish there were more srts up north here in canada, i see like 1 a month, ugly cars but quick and ez to upgrade. plus there rods dont blow lol i beat this guy in a moded cavalier and we were talking later at a tims and i told him to get a srt, i saw him last week and there it was, too bad it was snowing and he is moving out east, that would have been fun.

[igdrasil]

yea i hate that AWD crapola. But I beat a SRT-4 as well... they all get confused... uh FAMILIA?... scratching their heads.... in a daze... cuz they think Mazdaspeeds are slow, which they are... lol.

They always ask "what u got in there?" i say "an engine"

Ask me about SRT-4s. I raced a stage3 srt4 on 20psi and MAN, that thing was so damn FAST. Im not saying that Im fast, but everyone warned me...that thing is fast, dont try it.

I think I have the video, im going to find it, encode it and try post it. In 2nd gear he pulled like 4 car lenghts ahead of me. DAMN LSD, 3stage and lots of boost plus he was running on nitto drags...

Needless to say, I got OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!

[jeffmsp]

ya i dont see me beating a stage 3 srt any time soon so dont worry your not alone lol no where the fuck is the mazdaspeed stage 3 dealership bolt on with warranty?..... fucking gey.

[geomatics_tech]

ya i dont see me beating a stage 3 srt any time soon so dont worry your not alone lol no where the fuck is the mazdaspeed stage 3 dealership bolt on with warranty?..... fucking gey.


When I bought mine the dealer said we would have factory support. So to mazda for all there support (fu)

shaun (canada)

[CustomMSP]

What's your boost at after installing the SMIC? Now get your car dynoed!

[StreakinOraNgeX]

yea my friend ran a 14.05 with another person in the car dead stock with no stage upgrades in his srt4

[igdrasil]

yea my friend ran a 14.05 with another person in the car dead stock with no stage upgrades in his srt4

the newst srt4s, its possible they come with lsd and part of stage1 STOCK. Those put around 230whp from the dealer

[Orlandoech]

ANY stock SRT4 here is 230BHP not WHP. This guy in my town has a red one one black 17s with no spoiler and it looks nice. hes running 380BHP on a stage 3. he got the car for 16k and dropped 6k into it bringing it around reg. MSRP.

But i can pull with a stock SRT4/WRX and usualy even pull with them if they've done exhaustr

REMEMBER though the DRIVER is a HUGE part. Im a Nascar/Dragster Driver!!!

Im show almost 7PSI after i put the SMIC CUSTOMMSP. Its more around 6.5PSI like I said.

I was thinking about trading my car and getting an SRT4 and putting exhaust, intake, and a bov. That would put me roughly around 260BHP what do u guys thing about doing that?

[Orlandoech]

i havent got my car dynoed yet but i need to, but i have no $$$ right now, when i get some ill go dyno it for sure.

[poboxjosh]

i havent got my car dynoed yet but i need to, but i have no $$$ right now, when i get some ill go dyno it for sure.


All go no show. That car is ugly as hell. the MSP is a good mix of both and our handling is so much better.

[jeffmsp]

honestly, when it comes to sport compacts any car can be the better car, it just comes down to the $ put into it, so just get whatever car you like and make it go like hell. a geo metro can blow the doors off your mazdaspeed, a old escort can beat an sti etc. it just depends on the amount of time and money put into the car.

[Orlandoech]

ive decided to keep my msp cuz ill but like $2000 in the suspension alone and another $1500+ on wheels and tires cuz the stock wheels are as pretty as Courtney Love on a hot summer day... NASTY, FUGLY SHIT!!!!

And my car ALL around is a better car by far, from looks, wheels, suspension and im about 230BHP so im good to go i dont need a Farrari or i would buy one... if i could afford one.

The only way im getting a new car is if I find an EVO VIII around 25k

[poboxjosh]

That is about the only car i would trade mine for as well except maybe an STI.(first)

[Shane-O]

The only way im getting a new car is if I find an EVO VIII around 25k

They are getting there, I check all the time! ;)

[Orlandoech]

i know give ot 6 more months...

[otmsp]

No dude,srt4`s are 230whp not bhp (stock) ,and that shit you said about pulling on a wrx/srt4 stock with your mods its kind of hard to believe but if you did (bowdown) .By the way, please dont mention mods you own>only the ones installed.My cp pistons,oliver rods,fmic,custom 2.5" exhaust,etc dont help when kept in the trunk. (smoke)

[Orlandoech]

my friend has a 2005 SRT4 and he dynoed his car at only 190WHP 229BHP and thats what Modern Garage says all the SRT4s dyno.

I live in SLC, UT


And its also like 60% driver too...

[otmsp]

so what you`re saying is that the driver on that dyno should have been you! (blah) (blah) . My friend`s srt4 with an dp an a mbc will beat any slightly modded msp.Remember we`re talking about a 400cc difference plus a bad ass computer that controls all kinds of shit on the ugly neon.Yes is fucking ugly as hell but is fast and you need lots of mods to beat one.We`ve raced BMW m3`s .camaro ss and beat them.Don`t think I`m a srt4 fan or shit like that but you got to give them credit for inline performance.

[Orlandoech]

no they are quick for sure. but when street racing its just as much driver as it is car, maybe even a little more driver then it is car. I power shift when I street race, im not sure if the SRT4 did but i was about 3 feet behind it and it only had a mopar bov. The WRX i raced i was about 1 ft ahead of it and he asked if i power shifted and i said yes and he said he did too..


now neons are ugly as hell but again fast. Ive raced a lot of cars and have kept up or won usually. Now the dyno the people who owned Modern Garage (A local tunning co.) do the dynos and it read roughly 193+WHP on a STOCK SRT4.

I was thinking about getting a SRT4 but they are getting WAY TOOO TRENDY and i would spent around $2500+ just getting it dropped, wheels, tires, etc. Then i would want a stage 2 or 3 upgrade so i would spend like close to 10k getting it the way i wanted and i dont really have the money.

WRXs/SRT4s ARE FAST cars but not Fararris people. My friend has a 500WHP Civic SI and he eats up anything he races he pulls a 9.8 QMile.


U act like SRT4/WRXs are like the fastest ever cars and they are quick but not as fast as people make them out to be unless they put some $$$ into it or unless its an STi.

Believe it or not, could care less, but I kept up with both a stock SRT4 and a WRX with CatBack exhaust.

[otmsp]

It all has to do with how much $$$$ you want to put into your ride .No wrx/srt4 are not the fastest but stock for stock they are faster.I would not change my mazda for any of these cars .How much $ has your friend invested on his 500hp honda?.Now take that $ and invest it on a pinto and i`ll bet you , that you will beat any srt4,wrx,msp.Remember is a $$ issue.Civic are for girls!! lol .Oh yeah my name is Orlando.

[project_msp]

DON'T RAISE YOUR BOOST kthx

[Orlandoech]

he's put about 8/9k and yes its ALWAYS about how muhc $$ u put into it.

Civics are for girls and so are neons. i love my mazda too.

but stock yes they are faster. You got a PROBLEM with my name punk?

[Velocifero]

SRT-4s suck, I hate them and they are ugly, if you wanted to drag race then you shouldn't have bought a protege. Bottom line, the FART-4 are stronger cars, but you will be ahead of them at the end of every turn, on an autox they literally destroy the course because they can't turn. REXs are sweet, but not as sexy, IMO, as my MSP. The Calloway tuned MSP would handle both of them.

[otmsp]

no dude that`s my name! (yes) .What`s the name calling for?...

[project_msp]

heheheheh str4's are a joke.... It's just like beer.... only cheap losers drink domestic ;)

Just playing (to all the hardcore domestic beer fans out there)

[Orlandoech]

heheheheh str4's are a joke.... It's just like beer.... only cheap losers drink domestic ;)

Just playing (to all the hardcore domestic beer fans out there)


lol thats funny... i thought it was a joke when i first saw one and didnt know what a SRT4 was lol....

then i said they turned a no-credit needing car, girl car, piece of crap into something SOME IDIOT with no taste and a need for speed might like. WOW... neato!

Then I said, I hate TRENDY cars (civics, wrxs, rsx, integra, neons, etc) so thats why i dont want one too. i like have 1 of VERY few cars in SLC let alone in the USA.

I hate trends... u got it... i want it... u dumped it, so will i crap.

[otmsp]

he's put about 8/9k and yes its ALWAYS about how muhc $$ u put into it.

Civics are for girls and so are neons. i love my mazda too.

but stock yes they are faster. You got a PROBLEM with my name punk?
So?.

[Orlandoech]

So?.


SO... what? My name is Orlando as well.

My friend with the 500WHP civic put about 5k into it. runnin only 10PSI cuz of the HIGH comp. engine it already is thats all he needs.

[otmsp]

i dont give a shit about your name >dont call me a PUNK again. Does name calling make you a bad ass?

[Micah]

SRT-4s suck, I hate them and they are ugly, if you wanted to drag race then you shouldn't have bought a protege. Bottom line, the FART-4 are stronger cars, but you will be ahead of them at the end of every turn, on an autox they literally destroy the course because they can't turn. REXs are sweet, but not as sexy, IMO, as my MSP. The Calloway tuned MSP would handle both of them.

The SRT-4 may not be pretty, but it is the better car overall. Given the same budget on purchase of the car, and modifications - the SRT4 is the better car to own.

I've never heard of an SRT-4 blowing his engine or tranny because of suspension/handling mods. I have heard of many MSP's blowing just from turning up the boost a little. You won't get cold start problems from those new shocks/springs/strut tower brace on the SRT4.

Granted, yes - it still looks like a skittle, but is the MSP really much differint looking from the standard 3rd gen? Ground Effects, a wing, and fogs. The radio is a small step up from stock - though a nice touch to be sure. The interior is nice though.

Go ahead, flame away if you want to, but the SRT4 is a great little car with lots of potential awaiting a relatively small investment/risk factor as compared to the MSP.

It still looks like a skittle. I asked my friend what she thought of it, and she made a comment about how if I spent my money on a car like that she would consider not fucking me anymore. That right there should have been enough to make me hate the car - but since I'm not planning on buying one anyway - it's not an issue.

I digress.

[laracroft]

Umm... I thought the topic was about someone wanting to up the boost in his MSP. How the hell did we get on SRT-4, STI's, and everythig else boosted under the sun? Its like I'm listening to F&F all day long. STAY ON TOPIC!

http://uploads.thawall.net/pics/funnies/238.gif

[otmsp]

I agree>For what it`s woth is a great investment.Some poeple just hate them cause they are fast as hell and they cant stand it.They also say srt drivers are idiots or maybe really fast idiots right Orlando. (bird)

[Micah]

It is kind of turning into a pissing match - maybe I should post my cock pics again?

[otmsp]

My cock is the bigest,my is car is the fastest(when I get all the stuff I dream of buying for it).and i`m running 10psi with carnuba wax.

[Zoom-Zoom03]

Orlando, I have gauges for you too, if you are interested in monitoring the boost, they are a great deal, here are the details...

Autometer CF series Oil pressure, boost, and exhaust gas temperature gauges, all are 2 1/16" size, and the painted autometer Tri-pillar pod will be included, the autometer A-pillar is attached to a stock A-pillar so it will bolt directly in (I will requie that you send me your stock A-pillar. The kit will also include an SS 1/8" adapter for the oil pressure gauge, vaccume tubing, and all other necessary fittings and hardware to make this kit and these gauges a DIRECT BOLT IN FOR ANY MSP. I will also include my comprehensive installtion manual that I created to guide you through every step of the process (The normal retail price is about $400, and there are many hours into the pre-assebly, painting, and writing of the manual as well). The total packaga prices will be $325 shipped

[Orlandoech]

sorry for the name calling.

SRT4 are quick but ugly, end of topic.

I have gauges thanks though.


I only brought up the SRT4 cuz i cant seem to decide if i wanna keep my car and sell the parts i bought for it and buy an SRT4 or keep my car... im still so very confused!!!! Everyone is telling me NOOOOOOOOO but im still not 100% sure what I wanna do.

If by August I cant find an EVO VIII for 25k ill probably get an SRT4.... Black or Orange, but not sure. If i get a SRT4 ill do bov, exhaust, intake, wheels, suspension and thats about it. But like i said im not sure if i want a skittle car thats fast when i can have a good mix of looks, handling, performance from my MSP.

Thanks everyone for the feedback though. And sorry for the name calling too...

[otmsp]

np dude>just dont go past 10psi or u`ll have all the mods inthe trunk like me

[project_msp]

heh... i don't care! SRT4's are still ghey! har har

But yeah... on topic! Honestly man... speaking from experience. I'd just leave the damn boost alone till you have REAL supporting mods. Yeah 8 lbs isn't too much to worry about... but you really won't feel anything significant from 8 psi even with the trendy mods floating around. Plus upping boost is almost like crack or heroin. It gets very very addicting and after the first few times... the same amount doesn't seem to cut it anymore :\

[Velocifero]

The SRT-4 may not be pretty, but it is the better car overall. Given the same budget on purchase of the car, and modifications - the SRT4 is the better car to own.

I've never heard of an SRT-4 blowing his engine or tranny because of suspension/handling mods. I have heard of many MSP's blowing just from turning up the boost a little. You won't get cold start problems from those new shocks/springs/strut tower brace on the SRT4.

Granted, yes - it still looks like a skittle, but is the MSP really much differint looking from the standard 3rd gen? Ground Effects, a wing, and fogs. The radio is a small step up from stock - though a nice touch to be sure. The interior is nice though.

Go ahead, flame away if you want to, but the SRT4 is a great little car with lots of potential awaiting a relatively small investment/risk factor as compared to the MSP.

It still looks like a skittle. I asked my friend what she thought of it, and she made a comment about how if I spent my money on a car like that she would consider not fucking me anymore. That right there should have been enough to make me hate the car - but since I'm not planning on buying one anyway - it's not an issue.

I digress.
I know its over and all, but I just want to clear the air, if you reread my thread, I even announced that SRT-4s are a stronger car, hell they're bullet-proof, all I stated was my opinion, they are fugly (everyone agrees) and I know because I see it all the time, even with their new shocks/springs/strut tower brace they can not go around turns at nearly the same speed as proteges, and side note; our braking is top of the class un-argueably. Oh hell yeah, my wife just won a cruise to the Bahamas! Back to what ever, everything I said was IMO (In My Opinion) and comments like "the SRT-4 are better cars to own" are your opinion, I wasn't flaming, ok maybe I was a little but it was just opipnionated, I bought my MSP in Nov, before that. I test drove a SRT-4 to see what it was like, "I" have no interest in going in a straight line fast, I test drove my MSP and I loved the way it felt and looked. Good for Dodge/Chrysler/GM. They made the right chioce and stuck with the Mopar designs, Mazda made a bad chioce in reducing the Callaway designs, but I love it.

Oh and be careful turning up your boost, I would hate for your strut bar to pop your engine.

[igdrasil]

hmm...as promised...for anyone who wants to see how a stage 3 20psi SRT-4 owns my protege5! jajaja thats a stock motor!!!!

This is a clip pulled from the big video of a new activity on the tracks; no lights, you start rolling, from the hole....etc, just like on the streets, but safer and no cops. All street cars, amateur people.

http://home.coqui.net/igdrasil/gallery/turbo/p5vssrt4cland.wmv

The whole video is here: 29MB (features some 12 and 11s cars like S2000 supercharged, mustangs supercharged)
http://home.coqui.net/rcnieves/Cland22805.wmv

a 4mb crappy version:
http://home.coqui.net/rcnieves/Cland22805low.wmv

[PlatinumMSP]

i'm also planning on upping my boost to 8 psi, my plan is to use a blitz tt as my boost guage and a joe p mbc. My car has had the pcm flashed and I have NGK Iradium IX spark plugs already installed, what do you guys think, would i be safe at 8psi? I dont want to blow my shit. and i think the autometer guages look kinda ghetto, so i dont really want to invest in one of those...i was also wondering if installing the mbc would automatically void my warrentee, like if i did blow my engine, and i took out the mbc would i be able to play it off like i never had it in there?

[traitorhound]

nope. . they can see vac lines changed

[jeffmsp]

you tell them they are garbage and cracked by themselves so you had them replaced since you were nowhere near a dealer..

[A.V.MSP]

just buy a 2nd set of vacuum lines from the dealer, or buy them from a bodyshop or somewhere where you can get factory parts.

[Blake]

well with a 2.5inch custom catless/resless exhaust injen cai and spark plugs @12psi im at 200+ whp on race gas, so like blkzoom said its diffrent for every car

[arlsmazdaspeed]

I've been running strong with my mods at 8.5 psi. for about 15000 + miles now. Runs like the day i got it but better, lol.

[mspHtown]

I've been running strong with my mods at 8.5 psi. for about 15000 + miles now. Runs like the day i got it but better, lol.

what is your total mileage on the speed?

[VA03Speed]

I have been running 10psi during the summer and 8psi during the winter, and since i have had it and thats been for about 2 years ago. Should be fine on 8psi daily put i wouldnt run much more if you can not afford to rebuild the motor if it decides go boom on you.

[Tito1]

DO IT...you'll be fine @ 8 psi.

[Omar MSP]

for some reason my gauge reasons in vacuum... like negative pressure... it says like -5 and then all the way to 5... i dunno, it came like that but im want to know more cuz i bought a controller and i want to make sure i don't pass my limits... im trying to get 8-9 psi too, so im kinda worried...

[MSPRO]

This thread is kinda old but I am going to post anyways lol I am a few hundred miles shy of hitting 90k miles on my MSP. I broke my LSD at 46k a little over a year ago. Durning warmer spring/fall days and summer I run between 10-12psi and it has been run at 15psi for a couple passes at the track. I would consider myself really lucky that I have made it this far with no prolems and I told my car that if it makes it to 100k then I will buy it forged goodies lol. I'm running between 7-9psi right now with the SMIC/Hardpipes, the MBC is off the car for winter. Anyways I agree that 8psi will be ok,

[RallyeRedSi]

i run 10psi with some spiking sometimes, my mods are

hi boost fmic
injen intake
dsm afc
copper plugs
mam mid pipe
thermal cat back
motor mounts

my down pipe wa sposed to go in tomorrow but since my car is at the dealer i have to postpone :(

[JBreed]

mine ran great at 8psi, 3" exhaust helped alot.

[ChopstickHero]

mods are listed in my sig. my boost is on low setting... spike to 10psi, holds strong at 8psi to redline.

advice: don't just throw a boost controller on your car and expect it to make RELIABLE and SAFE power. get the mods first (exhaust, intercooler, etc), then up the boost.

[toucci]

mods are listed in my sig. my boost is on low setting... spike to 10psi, holds strong at 8psi to redline.

advice: don't just throw a boost controller on your car and expect it to make RELIABLE and SAFE power. get the mods first (exhaust, intercooler, etc), then up the boost.
and maybe just stiffen the wastegate spring instead of using a mbc so there's no worry of spiking! (thumb)

[igdrasil]

for some reason my gauge reasons in vacuum... like negative pressure... it says like -5 and then all the way to 5... i dunno, it came like that but im want to know more cuz i bought a controller and i want to make sure i don't pass my limits... im trying to get 8-9 psi too, so im kinda worried...


vaccum pipe is damaged, maybe bent and broken, leaking boost and vacuum
been there...

[PlatinumMSP]

my stock boost is 7.54 psi, is this normal? i'm not sure if i should spring mod because of this...

[low_psi]

thats within the normal range of "stock" boost (5-8psi). please don't use the spring mod. you can buy a manual boost controller for just a few bucks www.joepmbc.com (http://www.joepmbc.com)

[PlatinumMSP]

the only reason i'm considering spring modding is because a mbc can spike and blow my engine while the most the spring can do is break or slip out and return me to stock boost