Mazda does it! 274HP 2.3L

[Glenn3s]

Hi all. In the latest Car and Driver, there's a test of a Mazda 6 with a
2.3 liter turboed engine factory-rated at 274HP.

Now all we need is for them to offer it in a 3s, and get rid of the extra load
that it has to carry around in a 6. Anybody know what Mazda site to send
requests to?

Glenn

[I_Vtec]

Holy crap there's a turbo 2.3L

Guys come look at this. How did we miss it?

[cbcbd]

Holy crap there's a turbo 2.3L

Guys come look at this. How did we miss it?
:p

[Micah]

until I see a scan, I think he's confused with the MS6

[prlinding]

mazda does it half ass....thats what it should say....sorry

[briand805]

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=19&article_id=9022&page_number=1

this it?

[peepsalot]

top mount intercooler + "The design team scorned a hood scoop"

is anyone else disturbed by this?

[FrigginGLI]

Skip this car and wait for the mazda speed 3.

[txrxs]

i have a feeling it's not going to sell as well as was once believed.

[Badger Biker]

I want that engine in my car.

now.

[Glenn3s]

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=19&article_id=9022&page_number=1

this it?

Yup, that's it. And excuse me for not including the "Speed" between
Mazda and 6. 274 HP speaks for itself, call the car whatever you want.

[FrigginGLI]

i have a feeling it's not going to sell as well as was once believed.
I smell mazda speed miata part deux.

[goldwing2000]

I smell mazda speed miata part deux.

What a let-down that was, eh? It gained a whole... what? 36 hp? From a turbo?? For $1000? That's just sad.

A 114 hp jump is definitely going to make more waves. I'll keep my fingers crossed but I ain't gonna hold my breath.

[eting_pro5]

56 hp increase

[FrigginGLI]

And an added weight of about 300lbs.

[Micah]

plus the drivetrain loss in AWD

[goldwing2000]

56 hp increase

274-160=114 (scratch)

Even says so in the article:


The force-fed engine delivers its increased output (114 more horsepower than the naturally aspirated four, 54 more than the 6's optional 3.0-liter V-6) through a slick new Aisin six-speed manual gearbox to Mazda's equally new Active Torque Split All-Wheel Drive.

[goldwing2000]

Or did you mean the Miata? Cuz that's 142 hp on the LS and 178 hp on the MS.

178-142=36

[FrigginGLI]

274-160=114 (scratch)

Even says so in the article:
Was comparing v-6 mazda 6 to the 2.3 turbo. 220 hp vs 274, but the 274 hp has another 300lbs on it.

[Micah]

Yeah, I wonder the same thing FWD with 220HP n/a vs. AWD with 274HP. Even if the cars weighed the same, off the line, it might be close. Not to mention that launching with AWD is tricky (or so I'm told). Factor in the additional weight of the car, and things don't look too good.

Still, the suspension has been tightened as well, but it looks like the stock rubber is a major hinderance to the car's handling characteristics. It looks like this car will be sold to people that are going to be more informed than the dealer - i.e., the dealer will not be upselling the car from the lower models. The MSP had a nice bump in horsepower over stock and didn't weigh much more. Handling and braking are still going to be improved significantly. All the reviews I have seen mention that the car hasn't been tested in it's final state, but I doubt there will be any changes to HP/Torque. Perhaps the second year. Maybe they will opt to go for a wider tire? Again - I doubt it.

[jurgs01]

You guys are complaining about the downsides of this car. You guys know if you bought this you would mod it and it has much more potential than any of the mazdas out yet. In a few years we will be seeing one with 400whp to all four wheels!

[mp5jeff]

3500+ curb weight, no thanks!

[goldwing2000]

Was comparing v-6 mazda 6 to the 2.3 turbo. 220 hp vs 274, but the 274 hp has another 300lbs on it.

That's apples to oranges. You have to look at the same engine, not the whole car line. Besides, who gives a rat's ass what it's doing in the 6? I thought this whole thread was about the engine's potential in the 3. This IS a 3 forum, after all. (thumb)

Like Glenn3s said in the very first post:

Now all we need is for them to offer it in a 3s, and get rid of the extra load that it has to carry around in a 6.

[Micah]

So you are proposing a drivetrain swap for the 3?

With enough money anything can be done. Assuming it is the same block - it might not be too bad. Of course the rest of the parts on the 2.3l n/a probably won't hold the power even if everything simply mated up.

[peepsalot]

This IS a 3 forum, after all. (thumb)

Sorry, it's a protege forum... (laugh)

[FrigginGLI]

The mazda speed 3 is going to have this engine "Detuned". It's too heavy and not full time AWD.

[goldwing2000]

Sorry, it's a protege forum... (laugh)

Well, when I log in, I type www.mazdaiii.com. (2thumbs)

[goldwing2000]

So you are proposing a drivetrain swap for the 3?

With enough money anything can be done. Assuming it is the same block - it might not be too bad. Of course the rest of the parts on the 2.3l n/a probably won't hold the power even if everything simply mated up.

It's the exact same engine, just hopped up. Should be a direct swap.

I was more referring to Mazda corporate putting it in for a Mazdaspeed 3, though.

[peepsalot]

www.msprotege.com (stooges)(no)(laugh)

[Antoine]

Well, when I log in, I type www.mazdaiii.com (http://www.mazdaiii.com/). (2thumbs)

Someone knows what's up!

It's a MAZDA community...aka Mazda Forums ;)

Now back on topic...

[prlinding]

Now 274 hp in a 3 would be something I'd definitely look into. Either way the potential of the 3 is going to be significant. Even though the 6 is heavy so are the audi's and vw's and they have some hp crazy numbers for the right price. If the 6 can really get into the 400+ hp daily driver range it would be worth the gamble. too bad the 6 doesn't trickle over 300 out the box but I'm sure it would be well over 30k.

What's the boost pumping at on the 6's?

[Micah]

15psi I think

[Micah]

I figured I would just pull that out of my rear

[peepsalot]

it said 15.x somewhere in that article, too lazy to read it again

[CatD399]

15.6

besides, MS3 will have same engine/turbo package but downrated at 220hp.
Boost controller anyone?(naughty)

[CommieSpeed]

Screw AWD...it's parasitic. I would rather have that 2.3T in a FWD configuration and in the light-ass 3. That thing will be quuuuick.

[peepsalot]

If you had a choice, why fwd over rwd? you enjoy wheel hop?

[prlinding]

Can the 2.3 engine and tranny really hold the kinda power I'm talkin about? I know the protege trannies were suspect in the beginning. I haven't really looked into the 2.3 since I don't have one.

[prlinding]

Alrighty then.....how many times can I post one friggin comment.....sorry fellas.
I'm posting from my sidekick II and I'll get a browser time out and I won't know if it posts or not.

[Mazda3hatchback]

Hey guys I was over at my old car website FBODY.COM. They were talking about the new mazda6speed and were cracking up saying it will be quick but not as fast as their cars. Its ugly over their. The also were talking about the V6 camaros taking out the MAZDA6 V6 cars. I honestly think the Mazda6 would beat the camaro V6. I used to have a camaro and it was slow.

[AzMz3]

Hey guys I was over at my old car website FBODY.COM. They were talking about the new mazda6speed and were cracking up saying it will be quick but not as fast as their cars. Its ugly over their. The also were talking about the V6 camaros taking out the MAZDA6 V6 cars. I honestly think the Mazda6 would beat the camaro V6. I used to have a camaro and it was slow.

And the reason behind this post is "WHAT"!! (headshake (headshake (headshake (dunno) (headshake (headshake

[Badger Biker]

Alrighty then.....how many times can I post one friggin comment.....sorry fellas.
I'm posting from my sidekick II and I'll get a browser time out and I won't know if it posts or not.

no worries, prlinding. I fixed it up for ya.

I would love that engine in my 3 ...

Might have to put those NA or Boosting plans on hold for the time being ;)

[jared]

the motor in the MS6 is NOT the same motor that is in the 6i and the 3s. same "basic" block design, but that is about it.

[goldwing2000]

Power is supplied by a revised Mazda MZR 2.3-liter DOHC 16-valve four...

It'll bolt into the same holes. That's all that matters.

[mobomelter]

i'm disappointed in mazda for not making more horsepower out of the 2.3 liter engine. mitsubishi manages to make 276 out of a 2.0 liter and mazda can't make more than that with a 2.3? what gives?

[goldwing2000]

It's a trade-off. Fuel economy and engine longevity for horsepower. Since most people (and the government) are more concerned with fuel economy, the engines are not tweaked to their full potential.

The fact that you can plug a computer modification box into a diesel pickup and double the hp is testament to that fact. Even the Ferrari 3.0 liter Formula One engine is rumored to produce about 860 hp but it only gets about 3mpg and has to be rebuilt after every race.

[nate0123]

if you want to boost your 2.3, watch this thread

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91163

[ChopstickHero]

i think it's actually quite ugly looking....

[jared]

the MS6 uses direct injection. you will have to redo your intire fuel management systems and ECU and wiring harness.

[mobomelter]

yeah i'll just stick with the evo for a awd turbo car.

[Puckpimp71]

When I demo them, I'll be more than happy to post about it... The AWD won't hurt drivetrain losses as much as some of you think, either, since it's not full time AWD. It's really only used when accelerating froma dig or when too much power is going to the front. I don't think it'll be as parasitic while accelerating from a roll and $28,000 isn't a bad price for a nice car that'll put most sedans in the same price/size range to shame. The best part is that they'll be heavily discounted in a year, like the other Mazdaspeed products so far... Miata and Protege were $6000 under sticker after a year.

[Mikey444]

The Mazda speed 6 has already been track tested by enthusiasts in Europe, and they are all saying the same thing, It is a understeering BITCH. The front lets loose very easily on high speed bends.

[mobomelter]

Sport Compact Car just did a test-run for it in their march issue.

[Puckpimp71]

That's a let down.... On the plus side, the 6-speed automatic in the 6 V6 is really nice... except that the manual mode takes forever to shift gears.

[Da 6]

OK after taking a few week hiatus from just completely venting on every thread that has MS6 in the title to breathe, read the B.S. reviews and collect my thoughts...I'll say this...Car is heavy...wheels are too narrow for the weight increase...awd is a safety feature that kicks in way after you plow thru turns/damn near spin out and the car decides when it should use the 3 settings to turn it on. Oh and forgot to mention its heavy as fawk.

2.3 is still clasified as a MZR and shold bolt up...the tranny used is a 6 speed manual...not the stock 5 speed we Mz3s/Mz6i are sharing now. the awd is from the 2.0 european Mz6 wagon so thats why it's not all the time on the 2.3 turboed speed 6. Also due to the mods to the frame it won't "directly" bolt up to the 3 especialy with the length of the rear driveshaft. You really don't want your 3 to be as heavy as my 6 now do ya...
(doh)

So as for launches on awd setup... awd isn't a factor casue it's not active (100:0 ) and you trade the one spinning wheel launches for a heavier lsd'd car with restriced exhaust launching. If the speed 3 with just FWD had this engine it would handle way better than the speed 6. The 2.3 makes a real big difrence over the 3.0 in the Mz6 cause it is ligher on the nose(seing the engines sit soo far front of the car) making the Base model 6i out handle the 6s. Hell i'l even go farther in dept than that...the ligher weight of the 6i mtx makes is as fast as a 6s ATX! This is why we scream for a 4cyl its too heavy! another reason you don't need the awd setup of the speed 6 on your 3 cause think about it... Subaru all the time AWD>Mazda Experimental AWD. If you are the average joe blow who never ever "Spiritly driven" their car to the point to have lost the rear end or even spun out on the track or live where it never snows then you are paying for and carrying the extra weight of AWD that you will never use.

Later down the road when someone wrecks you could bolt it in using the stock (Mz3) mounts IIRC but not shure about tranny or front drive axles just yet. seing it is same block it "could" bolt to the other tranys but not shure how long it will take to rip 'em apart. make shure you have all the electricals(harnesses,pcm and misc items), radiator and a hood with scoop cause the speed 6 hood is taller than our stock one for clearance and to feed "ram air to george forman inter warmer". I really understand their "we don't wanna put a scoop on a mazda 6" additude but not lets make the lower grille 2X's the size than the last years 6 and not use a Humongo FMIC setup. I see the air being pulled thru the Honda accord grille but...what about the heat rising from behind the radiator and cooling fans in motion and stand still?

The speed 6 looks good from the inside out with all those features but at the same time all those features killed the Zoom-Zoom. I really hope mazda sits back and takes notes for when they toy around with the speed 3. reason most of us flame the speed 6 is it was held to a extremely high pedestal by saying it was gonna kill STi's and Evos. Who takes a ligher engine, turboes it, and tuns back around weigh it down? For having the speed badge it should be alot faster than a V6 with minimal bolt ons. As for sales..it's a limited production and alot of people(not majority of forum members) already reserved it cause they heard how much we love our cars and now this ones has speed badges on it. Who doesn't wanna walk around chead poked out ars on hips "superman style with wind blowing the cape" boasting I have a MAZDASPEED? Thats why it will sell. For the rest of us...I see alot of people trading their 6 for a Speed 3 if mazda doesn't ruin it...again!

If you buy a MAZDASPEED 6 and never drive it like a MAZDASPEED vehicle than I really don't think the enitre post above applies to you...enjoy your new vehicle! Take good care of it and come autocrossing with ous one day!

[runfromthecops]

uh you guys do know that most of the parts for the 2.3 liter focus fit on the mazda3 right? www.cosworth.com click on sales and go to d-power.

[runfromthecops]

oh yeah! I almost forgot www.focussport.com, these parts wont void your warranty, and please research this an correct me if i am wrong, cause I am just as curious.

[Airman Jack]

check the rest of the forum my friend, there are NUMEROUS posts about this very same topic, and the one common answer is NO! NEIN! NYET! NON! NEGATIVE! focus engine parts are NOT common to the mazda 2.3. The top ends are completely different from what I understand.

[AzMz3]

check the rest of the forum my friend, there are NUMEROUS posts about this very same topic, and the one common answer is NO! NEIN! NYET! NON! NEGATIVE! focus engine parts are NOT common to the mazda 2.3. The top ends are completely different from what I understand.

You also are wrong. The intake manifold will be a direct bolt on, out than that the only mod that has been confirmed to work is the Balance Shaft Delete.

[Mikey444]

I would screw buying a MS3 from the dealer. More fun, get a 2.3L sedan, turbo that bitch and customise a new layout to mkae it RWD. That would be more fun. And aim for 300 WHP

[Da 6]

What about the focus spin on assembly? seing mazda likes to change the damn part #'s for it every 5 seconds and scream we want Vins off 3i before we bother looking it up...

[Airman Jack]

You also are wrong. The intake manifold will be a direct bolt on, out than that the only mod that has been confirmed to work is the Balance Shaft Delete.

you sure? I thought the whole wait for a cosworth intake on our cars was due to a difference from the focus mani. Or are we just waiting for someone to take the plunge first? (bang)

[Da 6]

IIRC it bolts up but we have vilm :(

[RobMP5]

I just hope its not overrated like the RX-8 was

[KeyserSoze]

I'm a newb to posting, but not one to the site. Anyway thanks for having me. As I read through this thread, why are people bent on comparing the MS6 to sport compacts? IMO the MS6 is meant to be a performance tuned 6. It's not meant to compete against Evos, Sti and every other sport compact. Remember it is a mid-size sedan, not an econobox. None of MS's Mazda has put out were made to be performance monsters anyway. They were made to combine performance, handling, style and comfort. I for one like the MS6 because it'll have some go, AWD, and nice styling. It's going to start at $28k for the sport model, and $29k for the grand touring. Not bad at all.

[tgv121281]

Sorry for the ignorance....but there's been alot of confusion thrown around about these foucs parts on the 3...Are you saying that the stuff at focussport.com can be used on our cars w/ NO problems/modifications????

PS-Can somone also shed some light on the intake manifold??? I read on this forum that its supposed to be able to go onto our cars, BUT it isnt perfected yet so it has problems...heard something abou ta cel that wont go off and maybe some other stuff.....Please advise! TIA

[AzMz3]

Sorry for the ignorance....but there's been alot of confusion thrown around about these foucs parts on the 3...Are you saying that the stuff at focussport.com can be used on our cars w/ NO problems/modifications????

PS-Can somone also shed some light on the intake manifold??? I read on this forum that its supposed to be able to go onto our cars, BUT it isnt perfected yet so it has problems...heard something abou ta cel that wont go off and maybe some other stuff.....Please advise! TIA


Only focus parts confirmed to fit are the BSD kit and the Cossier intake manifold. There are no problems with the intake manifold, I think most like me are waiting for SCT so we can get better gain from it.

[runfromthecops]

The cosworth kits will bolt up on a mazda2.3, if you dont believe me then try it, same engine some parts, except the 2004 focus zx3 2.3 has a pzev air filter, plastic manifold, and is'nt variable valve timing. Ford owe'nes mazda and cosworth (for now), so it should'nt be a problem with the warrantee. and with all that its at least 200 whp. So technically it would be stock son.

[runfromthecops]

Sorry for being rude, but as soon as i get the chance I'm gonna take the plunge and it will work, I know. So just wait and see what happens.

[JOS3]

I'm a newb to posting, but not one to the site. Anyway thanks for having me. As I read through this thread, why are people bent on comparing the MS6 to sport compacts? IMO the MS6 is meant to be a performance tuned 6. It's not meant to compete against Evos, Sti and every other sport compact. Remember it is a mid-size sedan, not an econobox. None of MS's Mazda has put out were made to be performance monsters anyway. They were made to combine performance, handling, style and comfort. I for one like the MS6 because it'll have some go, AWD, and nice styling. It's going to start at $28k for the sport model, and $29k for the grand touring. Not bad at all.

holy shit!! somone who actually knows what they are talking about (rockon) !!! ive been trying to explain this to people for the longest time. welcome (hi) to the boards.

[Airman Jack]

The cosworth kits will bolt up on a mazda2.3, if you dont believe me then try it, same engine some parts, except the 2004 focus zx3 2.3 has a pzev air filter, plastic manifold, and is'nt variable valve timing. Ford owe'nes mazda and cosworth (for now), so it should'nt be a problem with the warrantee. and with all that its at least 200 whp. So technically it would be stock son.

so you're saying that I could take my Mazda to a Ford dealership and get Mazda parts installed or maintenance done under a Mazda warranty... just because Ford controlls 33% of Mazda? I can't wait to see SVT stickers on a 3 (stoned) (oo.. that was a little offside wasn't it! :p)

[Airman Jack]

Ok, so just to follow up, I called the local Ford delearship here in Moose Jaw. They CAN order Mazda parts, but they CAN NOT perform maintenance under any Mazda warranty. So if you wanna throw a Ford branded part in your Mazda engine, giv'er man!! BUT this does mean that you can't put a Cosworth (Ford) intake on your car, subsequently removing your VLIM, and expect a valid Mazda warranty.
Don't get me wrong, as soon as my warranty is up I plan on buying the HiBoost turbo!

But on line with the whole purpose of this thread, I kinda like the MS6, and I know of many people in Canada who will consider it more seriously now since with the 4WD it makes it a lilttle more driveable in the winter.

[tgv121281]

Ok, so it will work and its a direct bolt on. Now whats this about removing the VLIM??? And what exactly is that??? ISnt that like variable timing or something??? Kinda like a mazda vtec?? And how does that improve performance???

Also, there was a comment about waiting for "SCT"???? Whats that??

Also-any problems going turbo/super/n2o later on w/ this intake mani ?

Sorry to be a pain and I'm not doubting any of your comments/opinions....In fact I appreciate them very much and am looking for some more...I'm new to this but want to learn more and want to move forward w/ my car....TIA

[goldwing2000]

VLIM = Variable Length Intake Manifold
Basically, an air valve in the manifold that increases or decreases the length of the path the air travels before it goes into the combustion chamber. By changing the manifold, you lose this system. I have a feeling the CAN bus ECU won't like the fact that it's missing, either.

[tgv121281]

Thanks for the explanation....so this isnt like a "VTEC", so I'm guessing I wouldnt really miss it then. But now what you're saying sounds like a problem I was hearing somewhere else in the forum....so then the verdict is no good?

[goldwing2000]

so then the verdict is no good?

(shrug)

To early for a verdict. Can't have an opinion until somebody tries it. I'm not going to be the guinea pig, though.

As far as the "VTEC" goes, that's the variable valving system on a honda, which is somewhat similar to our VVT. The only way you would lose that is by changing the cylinder head or possibly the cam.

[tgv121281]

Well I used to have a prelude, and the VTEC was really felt....However I really dont feel that kind of difference w/ the VLIM on our cars. I guess I'm just picturing losing the VTEC in the Honda and that wouldve sucked...so I'm wondering if losing the VLIM is gonna suck too. But like I said I dont really feel anything...just smooth throughout...whereas the Prelude would be a little sluggish until the VTEC opened up around 5kRPM then you'd really feel the difference...I've taken this car to the rev limiter and dont feel any kind of bug diff....I'm NOT trying to compare a 3 to a prelude...just trying to get a better idea about this VLIM.....Thanks!

[AzMz3]

The cosworth kits will bolt up on a mazda2.3, if you dont believe me then try it, same engine some parts, except the 2004 focus zx3 2.3 has a pzev air filter, plastic manifold, and is'nt variable valve timing. Ford owe'nes mazda and cosworth (for now), so it should'nt be a problem with the warrantee. and with all that its at least 200 whp. So technically it would be stock son.

False information.
The Cossy kits contains Cold Air Intake, Header, Intake manifold, Throttle Body, and Reflashed ECU. They are a few other peices in there I'm sure. But out of the ones I listed only the Intake manifold will bolt up. And some have already been in contact with Cosworth and they have showed interest in making the kit for the Mazda3. So please search, read up or call Cosworth before you pass false information.

[runfromthecops]

False information.
The Cossy kits contains Cold Air Intake, Header, Intake manifold, Throttle Body, and Reflashed ECU. They are a few other peices in there I'm sure. But out of the ones I listed only the Intake manifold will bolt up. And some have already been in contact with Cosworth and they have showed interest in making the kit for the Mazda3. So please search, read up or call Cosworth before you pass false information.

Ok so tell me why the cosworth cold air intake and throttle body wont fit on the cosworth intake manifold. Look I am not trying to pick a fight, or post false information. i just want to know if it will fit, and from what i have seen and read most of it should bolt up. as far as the header is concerned, i dont know if the bolt patterns match up or not, but i dont think a car company would change the bolt patterns for an engine unless there is a really good reason(or they want to mak money off of it), and since the mazda3 is built on the focus platform i really doubt there was that big of a reason, and the sooner i buy the kit and attempt to put it on the sooner i will be in here letting everyone know if i was right or wrong. i was just trying to help out should anyone want to try it.

[Da 6]

we have etb and thats pcm monitered as well! Mazda made our cars so anti modable w/o knoledge of cars Vs a civic that a 14 yr old could work on(BASTARDS!). Try finding an aftermarket t-stat for the 2.3 ;) and as for the VVT and VTEC..I could go on all day but for some off reason I loose people after line 3 so I'll save the headache and say click linky Loo :)
http://www.mazda6tech.com/Articles/Drivetrain/Exploring-Mazdas-Intake-Technology-19.html

[SlowMazda]

274hp and how much does the car weigh?

[Da 6]

3500!

lil more than 6s(3.0 V6) and ahell of alot more than 6i(2.3 I4) Beleve the handeling is way better on GT4 than those reviews :)

[nate0123]

damn, it's a whale!


... so am I the only person on this forum without a copy of GT4??

[Da 6]

yes for the cars weight the 7inch wide rim is too narrow even with summer only tires(non michelins!). My ATX 6i is 3095 and if I had the hatch it would be lil heavier but not like the mps6! Once people here can actualy get #s to deny our claims i'd be a happeir person...
Sad thing is most people wouldn't by a stripped out 6 so all those packages are there to make the MSRP "worth wild". theyd didn't comare it directy to the Evo and STi But...they compared features to it. Even against the Legacy(actual competiton) the AWD setup is still too inferior to compare.

[Airman Jack]

Ok so tell me why the cosworth cold air intake and throttle body wont fit on the cosworth intake manifold.......
i dont think a car company would change the bolt patterns for an engine unless there is a really good reason(or they want to mak money off of it), and since the mazda3 is built on the focus platform i really doubt there was that big of a reason, and the sooner i buy the kit and attempt to put it on the sooner i will be in here letting everyone know if i was right or wrong.

it's a Duratec block and from there on up it's all Mazda baby!
Oh, and the platform engineering was lead by Mazda, and ended up so bloody good Volvo and Ford are using it for THEIR next gen vehicles!

read, learn, absorb! (http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jc/platform.htm)

[tgv121281]

great links airman & da6....I wish more people would do that.....I'm still pretty confused, but less than I was......

[Da 6]

Vis=Vilm and disregard VAD thats a 6 only thing. vad is a sensor that sends codes when unplugged All cai except CP-e) but won't send cels. It's something dealers look for on our cars when a cel for the fuel trim code pops up. It's there for sound purposes under vvt. When vad is closed the box is less than 40% efficient. Reason our hp increase over the 3 is difrent. we had more restrictions on intake air :(


... so am I the only person on this forum without a copy of GT4??... :( yep the protege is in there doode! get it just to say you have it cause after sunday cup it's obsolete next to the cars you won or can buy... frequently brouse the used car lots!

[nate0123]

I played it over at Amy's... but I don't own it

I was really impressed

[wraunch]

Anyone got a good deal on the CAI for a 2004 2.3L?
I believe this is the model # 69-6010TP



(uhm)

[nate0123]

Anyone got a good deal on the CAI for a 2004 2.3L?
I believe this is the model # 69-6010TP



(uhm)(wrong)

try:

1. search
2. start new thread