so what's the deal...

[prlinding]

How is the new mazda speed 6 going to hold up.....I was reading sport compact and they claim 6.6 sec 0-60 and 256 horse

Another mag said 270 hp and the same 0-60 is this this gonna hold up against any real tuner car? Because this really isn't impressing me....for 28k

I hope they aren't trying to go after evo's and sti's....with those numbers....

it looks like they're chasing galants, camrys, and accords does anyone care that they are going after guppies.....

I mean look at everyone else trying to take over the market....mazda is only trying to place......hemi's GTO's stangs all pushing 300 or better horse and weighing tons.....and blowing away everything in sight. And don't give me that handling crap because handling doesn't mean squat light to light.....

I've been waiting for mazda to do something with the six and this is what they give me? My hopes have been crushed. I hate domestics but I'm no dummy either....detroit is doing it. And its about time.....

[Dexter]

Maybe Mazda doesnt care about making a "light to light" car?

[prlinding]

I mean look at mazda and its msp dodge whips out a srt4 how does mazda respond??? They yank the car off production....I'm soooo pissed. I have owned two rx7's a rx3 and I had a parked mp5 I gave to my brother because I'm bored with it...I tried the whole handling bit but it just doesn't fly....its like saying its not the size its the motion....BS! You have a little pecker homie...I hate hondas and have had only one mustang 5.0...which I hated....and bought a bike gixxer 750....to qwell my addiction to speed. I was a signature away from buying an sti....and I didn't cuz I just wasn't a sube fan....mazda's forcing my hand....and its gonna kill me to buy a goat...but 400 horse is hard to pass....not to mention rwd.....

[Micah]

Look for the Mazdaspeed 3 (rumored early 4q 05) for your light to light fix.

The RX7 is also rumored to be returning. This would possibly be the faster car offerred by Mazda.

Mazdaspeed 6 is up against the Legacy GT, BMW 330xi, etc.

The Mazdaspeed rx8 is rumored to have no engine changes - only design and handling improvements.

Oh, and I completely agree about the GTO with the LS2 - great car.

[03.5MSP]

The Mazdaspeed 6 will do 5.5 from 0-60.

[prlinding]

I mean look at mazda and its msp, dodge whips out a srt4... how does mazda respond??? They yank the car off production....I am still soooo pissed about that one. I have owned one rx7 and one turbo II a rx3 and I had a parked mp5 I gave to my brother because I was bored with it...I tried explaining the whole handling bit but to people.....it just doesn't fly....its like saying its not the size its the motion....BS! You have a little pecker homie...
I mean it seems like a great platform to work off of....AWD and turbo.....but I feel they needed to come stronger than that. We would still need to drop serious cash to to come up against a stock evo or sti.....god forbid they take any emissions off....and add a silly CAI....
I was a signature away from buying an sti....and I didn't cuz I just wasn't a sube fan....same goes with the rx8 all mazdaspeed could give us was a tweeked suspension???

[Dexter]

Mazda never intented to keep the MSP as a full time production vehicle. It was the Protege's last year anyways, its not like they yanked it off the market, it was replaced by the Mazda3.

I guess i have a small dick. or something. Mazda doesnt offer what you want so go buy a Hemi or something...

[prlinding]

Hey dexter.....your kidding right? You must joking....why would they call their aftermarket team....mazdaSPEED? If that's not the case then they need to call themselves....mazdaHANDLING

[Dexter]

Dude i dont know , i didnt make the company, get off my nuts.

[Micah]

The Mazdaspeed 6 will do 5.5 from 0-60.


Source???

[prlinding]

I mean sure they aren't going after ferrari.....but why not? Look at what toyota and nissan are doing.....the 444f and the skyline......honda tried but they couldn't do it with the nsx....mazdas afraid to whip it out but limit themselves....I'm mean come on...who here has ever driven a wankel and tell me a three rotor couldn't keep up with any lambo or ferrari and porsche....mazda needs to throw a turbo rotary in a miata and let that puppy fly.....it would smoke every roadster out there....twin turbo the rx8 and whip up on the posers....this isn't the 80's and 90's anymore people want HP again....number like this haven't been around since the late 60's and 70's and emissions and gas killed it for everybody....manufactures are able to reproduce those numbers and still keep it legal... Mazda needs to take advantage while the getting is good.....

[Micah]

I mean look at mazda and its msp, dodge whips out a srt4... how does mazda respond??? They yank the car off production....I am still soooo pissed about that one. I have owned one rx7 and one turbo II a rx3 and I had a parked mp5 I gave to my brother because I was bored with it...I tried explaining the whole handling bit but to people.....it just doesn't fly....its like saying its not the size its the motion....BS! You have a little pecker homie...
I mean it seems like a great platform to work off of....AWD and turbo.....but I feel they needed to come stronger than that. We would still need to drop serious cash to to come up against a stock evo or sti.....god forbid they take any emissions off....and add a silly CAI....
I was a signature away from buying an sti....and I didn't cuz I just wasn't a sube fan....same goes with the rx8 all mazdaspeed could give us was a tweeked suspension???

Mazda's consistantly get good reviews for being fun to drive. Ford is trying to build the brand into something resembling toyota (good luck on the reliability - but it would be nice to see our Pro's last 150,000 before major problems) and their acceptance as a nice reliable car. My parents and one of my brothers have the MPV - and considering it's a minivan - it handles and drives pretty nice.

About the pecker comment - I find the best thing to do in that situation is just whip it out and go with what god gave you. If you need an example ( http://hometown.aol.com/turbomicah/blank.txt -don't click unless you want to see my manh00d ) just hit the link that everyone on the forum has seen me post many times.

Devils Advocate time - nobody I know has ever blown their engine from adding suspension mods. I've never seen anyone unable to start their car in the cold because of a problem with coil-overs. The SRT-4 - while it may not handle the same as the MSP, can be upgraded - heck - even with Mopar parts which while the warranty support is grey area - it's still factory.

Back to the point though. Mazda does not have a competing product for the STI and EVO type cars. I personally like the Mazdaspeed 6 better. The mazdaspeed 6 does not have the boy ricer/racer look that cops love pulling over. With a more subdued look you are less likely to have all sorts of problems such as: car theft, car breakins, cops following, disapproving looks from parents - peers - co-workers - and others. You're also less likely to be chased for stop light races by every kid with a CAI/Exhaust.

What the Mazdaspeed 6 does have going for it is features - this alone should tell you it's not an EVO killer, it's trying to compete with a more upscale selection of vehicles. Look at the available features : heated mirrors, heated seats, 8-way power adjust seats, wheel mounted audio/cruise controls, bose sound, air filtration system (pollen filter - hepa), automatic climate control, front side window demisters, keyless entry system, delayed courtesy lamps and headlights, and other stuff.

I'm personally hoping the car doesn't sell well. I think the asking price is about 3k too high - well, from what I would like to pay. So - tell your friends - tell everyone you know - desparage the car on all fronts. Lay down in front of the dealership entrance. Chain yourself to the tires. Don't let them sell these cars. If sales can be stunted for the first 9 months the car is available, the dealerships will likely be begging us to take them off the lot for under MSRP.

But that's not likely to happen is it? Why not?

[Dexter]

You know why not.

[Micah]

Yep, as do most on the forum - but I figured the above post would lead that pissant to the same reasoning.

[crossbow]

The source for the 0-60 5.5 is from a misquoted magazine. Either R&T or Motortrend...both of their previews have incorrect quoted information in them.

The other mags quote (Offical Mazda Release)
0-100 kmh of 6.6 seconds
0-60 mph of 6.2 seconds.

What probably happened was R&T was buddy buddying some Mazda employee and did a little elbow in the side and asked "So how fast do you really think it will go?" and the employee probably said "Well I've heard they've gotten it as fast as 5.5 on the pre-production model" and so they just printed that...failing to mention that it was not a production vehicle, not an offical mazda performance release, nor that the 5.5 was probably due to a complete and total clutch dump.

Remember all mag reviews are PREVIEWS and are on a NON PRODUCTION VEHICLE. We won't see any actual reviews till late spring/early summer when the production models get handled to the various magazines. This of course means that the bad comments could be revised, or the positive comments could become bad. Only time will tell.

[Micah]

Interesting and well fleshed out theory.

I'll be looking forward to your future posts.

[Autox MSP]

well dealers have over 180days of msm on the lots the mz6 isn't gonna be much different,.

[Gbourdon]

Somebody's grouchy.

[Micah]

I think the problem with the MSM is it's just a day late and a dollar short. There are turbo'd miata's ala flyinmiata.com making lots of horsepower - and quite a few with over 40,000 miles under their belt.

The Miata hasn't changed much. For the price of the MSM you can buy the RX8 - which I believe actually is a bit less to insure. The difference of .1 second in 0-60 and a skidpad of .90 for the MSM vs. .88 on the RX8 makes them a close call. Looking at the RX8's new design vs. the MSM's mostly unchanged design.... yeah - I can see why quite a few are still on the lot.

http://www.modernracer.com/mazdaspeedmiata.html

http://www.modernracer.com/mazdarx8.html

[prlinding]

I mean sure they aren't going after ferrari.....but why not? Look at what toyota and nissan are doing.....the 444f and the skyline......honda tried but they couldn't do it with the nsx....mazdas afraid to whip it out but limit themselves....I'm mean come on...who here has ever driven a wankel and tell me a three rotor couldn't keep up with any lambo or ferrari and porsche....mazda needs to throw a turbo rotary in a miata and let that puppy fly.....it would smoke every roadster out there....twin turbo the rx8 and whip up on the posers....this isn't the 80's and 90's anymore people want HP again....number like this haven't been around since the late 60's and 70's and emissions and gas killed it for everybody....manufactures are able to reproduce those numbers and still keep it legal... Mazda needs to take advantage while the getting is good.....

[Dexter]

are you a fucking bot or something?

[prlinding]

Don't know what a bot is so I won't get offended...lucky for you. But I see that you are an authorized vendor dexter....what do you sell?

Btw in terms of reliability my convertable rx7 went 127k before I had it rebuilt and bridge ported....that to me is pretty good. The 12a to me was even stronger and easier to work on due to the lack of fuel injection...and plenty people argue that point with a 13b from a gsl-se.....I love rotaries...I think they for their size lack of moving parts and output are phenomal engines...who cares about the environment when you are in the car instead of behind it.....

[Dexter]

you keep posting the same posts over...i swear that i saw you post the same paragraph like 4 posts ago. unless i am going insane...which i may...

nope...
right now i dont sell much of anything.

[Gbourdon]

(confused) I thought my retardism was kicking in.
I came back here saw my post. Looked a couple posts later and saw a post that I had already read once before. I thought maybe settings were changed and newest post was at the top now.... nope, not my retardism.

I hate this thread like I hate Dr. Phil.

[Dexter]

lol exactly. i like the boldness also.

[Gbourdon]

Def. fembot.

[Mikey444]

Don't know what a bot is so I won't get offended...lucky for you. But I see that you are an authorized vendor dexter....what do you sell?

Btw in terms of reliability my convertable rx7 went 127k before I had it rebuilt and bridge ported....that to me is pretty good. The 12a to me was even stronger and easier to work on due to the lack of fuel injection...and plenty people argue that point with a 13b from a gsl-se.....I love rotaries...I think they for their size lack of moving parts and output are phenomal engines...who cares about the environment when you are in the car instead of behind it.....

You're such a fucking tool, get lost, no one wants you here. If you are not happy with Mazda than just keep your fucking mouth shut because no one cares to hear your bull shit.

[Micah]

FWIW - I've driven the RX8, I've driven a Twin Turbo RX7 also. Fun cars - yes.

I've driven Lambo's and Ferrari's from the classic dealership on Route 35 in Wall. I know the kid who's father owns Body Motion (porsche tuner) - there's a world of difference between the rotary Mazda's and those cars. Price difference is the most glaring though.

[Mazda3]

You're such a fucking tool, get lost, no one wants you here. If you are not happy with Mazda than just keep your fucking mouth shut because no one cares to hear your bull shit.


You go girl!!!

[ChiMSP]

I mean look at mazda and its msp dodge whips out a srt4 how does mazda respond??? They yank the car off production....I'm soooo pissed. I have owned two rx7's a rx3 and I had a parked mp5 I gave to my brother because I'm bored with it...I tried the whole handling bit but it just doesn't fly....its like saying its not the size its the motion....BS! You have a little pecker homie...I hate hondas and have had only one mustang 5.0...which I hated....and bought a bike gixxer 750....to qwell my addiction to speed. I was a signature away from buying an sti....and I didn't cuz I just wasn't a sube fan....mazda's forcing my hand....and its gonna kill me to buy a goat...but 400 horse is hard to pass....not to mention rwd.....
21 M Chicago here with pics and web cam. Looking for a hot chick. Cum to my chat room. A/S/L

[Dexter]

^^ lmao

[SpeedBeaver]

the 6.6s for the 0-100kmph is because of the car's weight... 3600 lbs that slows the car a lot.

[Captain KRM P5]

it looks like they're chasing galants, camrys, and accords does anyone care that they are going after guppies.....

guppies. yep, mazda is chasing FISH with thier cars now.

I mean look at everyone else trying to take over the market....mazda is only trying to place......hemi's GTO's stangs all pushing 300 or better horse and weighing tons.....and blowing away everything in sight. And don't give me that handling crap because handling doesn't mean squat light to light.....

a 400 horsepower GTO takes nearly 6 seconds to hit 60 and costs almost $40,000 and is made in Australia. Yeah, Detroit is "doing it" alright. a v8 300C is easily $30,000 and a v8 mustang goes for no cheaper than $25,000 with no options. but $28,000 for a mazdaspeed six with two extra wheels driving the car is too much money?

light to light racing is stupid.

I mean look at mazda and its msp, dodge whips out a srt4... how does mazda respond??? They yank the car off production....I am still soooo pissed about that one.

the msp was taken out of production because the protege as a platform was taken out of production and replaced with the 3. I'm pretty sure mazda didn't say "oh shit a fast neon, better quit while we're ahead." that's like saying they took the protege5 out of production because the Rio Cinco showed up.

Don't know what a bot is so I won't get offended...lucky for you. But I see that you are an authorized vendor dexter....what do you sell?

Btw in terms of reliability my convertable rx7 went 127k before I had it rebuilt and bridge ported....that to me is pretty good. The 12a to me was even stronger and easier to work on due to the lack of fuel injection...and plenty people argue that point with a 13b from a gsl-se.....I love rotaries...I think they for their size lack of moving parts and output are phenomal engines...who cares about the environment when you are in the car instead of behind it.....

what the fuck does it matter what he sells? it doesn't make his posts any less valid? I own a carbureted 12A and personally think its garbage compared to the Turbo II setup I am putting into the car. But thats just me perhaps.

[RODSCALIP5]

Mazda's consistantly get good reviews for being fun to drive. Ford is trying to build the brand into something resembling toyota (good luck on the reliability - but it would be nice to see our Pro's last 150,000 before major problems) and their acceptance as a nice reliable car. My parents and one of my brothers have the MPV - and considering it's a minivan - it handles and drives pretty nice.

About the pecker comment - I find the best thing to do in that situation is just whip it out and go with what god gave you. If you need an example ( http://hometown.aol.com/turbomicah/blank.txt -don't click unless you want to see my manh00d ) just hit the link that everyone on the forum has seen me post many times.

Devils Advocate time - nobody I know has ever blown their engine from adding suspension mods. I've never seen anyone unable to start their car in the cold because of a problem with coil-overs. The SRT-4 - while it may not handle the same as the MSP, can be upgraded - heck - even with Mopar parts which while the warranty support is grey area - it's still factory.

Back to the point though. Mazda does not have a competing product for the STI and EVO type cars. I personally like the Mazdaspeed 6 better. The mazdaspeed 6 does not have the boy ricer/racer look that cops love pulling over. With a more subdued look you are less likely to have all sorts of problems such as: car theft, car breakins, cops following, disapproving looks from parents - peers - co-workers - and others. You're also less likely to be chased for stop light races by every kid with a CAI/Exhaust.

What the Mazdaspeed 6 does have going for it is features - this alone should tell you it's not an EVO killer, it's trying to compete with a more upscale selection of vehicles. Look at the available features : heated mirrors, heated seats, 8-way power adjust seats, wheel mounted audio/cruise controls, bose sound, air filtration system (pollen filter - hepa), automatic climate control, front side window demisters, keyless entry system, delayed courtesy lamps and headlights, and other stuff.

I'm personally hoping the car doesn't sell well. I think the asking price is about 3k too high - well, from what I would like to pay. So - tell your friends - tell everyone you know - desparage the car on all fronts. Lay down in front of the dealership entrance. Chain yourself to the tires. Don't let them sell these cars. If sales can be stunted for the first 9 months the car is available, the dealerships will likely be begging us to take them off the lot for under MSRP.

But that's not likely to happen is it? Why not?


I like your thinking :D, just like the MSM it will be $6000 off MSRP at the end of the year. Mazdaspeed 6 for 21K :D...........................I can dream cant I

[crossbow]

Btw, 04 GTO's are selling for 22k new. The 05's have left tons of 04's on the lot...so at 22k the 04 GTO is kinda of a steal for what you get...especially considering the literal books of mods available for that engine.

And ya, I'm sure the MPS will drop in price...its already being price gouged by most dealerships at MSRP or MSRP +2-4k. Give it 6-8 months when S-plan becomes available for use with it, and incentives start piling on. Or maybe we'll see a 2006.5 version with front mounted intercooler, 300 lbs less weight, and 8 inch wide rims with 245/40/17 tires.

[prlinding]

Hey captain...so is it the concept of analogies too much for your pathetic mind to relate too? And by the way stupid....a lot of hondas and toyotas are made in the good ole USA....DOES THAT MAKE HONDAS AND TOYOTAS DOMESTIC? What a fuckin stupid thing to say.....built in australia...who cares.... that almost replaced any stupid comment dexter made....

And my question as to what he sells? Well if it had anything to do with performance enhancements to a car he'd be a hypocrate for trying to argue any point regarding cars going faster....in any direction be it straight or on a circuit.
Last time I checked the first person across any finish line.....WINS....not the slowest....I don't even know why I'm trying to even discuss this with you all
Cuz deep down.....you know I'm right....you are just in denial....

Also....why would mazda wait so long to replace a speed protege with another one....lack of a contigency....can be the only reason.....poor planning.....regardless of mazda's overhaul of a platform... why, when dodge effectively blew the mazda out of every competition wouldn't mazda have something to come back at them? That could have been a perfect excuse to make something completely different to compete and possibly beat out a competitor....if plan A doesn't work bust out B....I feel it was just another missed opportunity to really make a name for themselves.....if they really want to be the BMW of the east then they need to act like it....m series cars are some of the best cars ever built....can this be said about mazdaspeed?
Reliability is an issue with m cars too...but the owners don't complain because they know what they bought and its purpose built.....

Okay so mazda doesn't build a car the goes hella fast straight.....what kinda cars pay the bills.....regular 3's and 6's that's fine....I understand....but if they want to make a car go fast then it needs to be done the right way....I know they meant well..... but straight line fast cars pay the bills too some pretty big ones....especially in the aftermarket world...the SCCA has been around for a long time.....but it wasn't until NIRA came along aftermarkets started to pay attention to imports.....and they do what in which direction? Come on everybody......repeat after me.....they go fast straight.....

And like I said about rotaries....12a is just a lot easier to through into anything because they don't needs computers. I realize the 12a isn't the best rotary....but if I have a 1977 toyota corolla and I want quick power a 12a and the biggest port job I can put on it with a holley off of a space shuttle will do the trick.....

I don't want to make enemies here. Lets be friends all I wanted to do is discuss my disappointment with a vehicle which isn't shared and I can understand....but when I get bashed I tend to get pissed. This wasn't to flame anything or anybody. But there are flaws in everything....I just wanted to point a few out....so go fuck yourselves if you want to be babies about it....those who don't then thank you for reading and posting objectively. Until we meet again.

[Dexter]

Everyone always complains about the Mazdaspeed cars. Its getting so fucking old. They never have enough power for anyone. If thats the case, buy a regular 6 and turbo it yourself, and of story. Or buy a different car. If you dont like the car, dont buy it. Its not for you. Its not for the uber enthusiast. None of the Mazdaspeed cars are, if you think about it. A car company creates a car, weather Mazdaspeed or regualr edition, to be driven as stock. It doesnt predict that you will want to up the boost or do any other crazy shit. They do R&D and testing and determine what their target demographic will like. Car modders are only a small percentage of car owners. So Mazdaspeed still needs to cater to those who don't mod and don't care. No one is forcing you to buy this car, or any Mazdaspeed car. If Mazdaspeed wants to make a car with upgraded handling, thats thier fucking choice. The cars will sell anyways. I'm going to go fuck myself right now.

[Captain KRM P5]

Hey captain...so is it the concept of analogies too much for your pathetic mind to relate too? And by the way stupid....a lot of hondas and toyotas are made in the good ole USA....DOES THAT MAKE HONDAS AND TOYOTAS DOMESTIC? What a fuckin stupid thing to say.....built in australia...who cares.... that almost replaced any stupid comment dexter made....

excess use of periods doesn't make you look smart, chump. You are the one throwing "Detroit" out there, as though the big three are somehow getting in the act. No one in the USA had so much as a hand in designing the modern Goat.

spelling and punctuation are two things you should add to your seemingly vast repitoire before you start throwing around faux intellectual remarks.


And my question as to what he sells? Well if it had anything to do with performance enhancements to a car he'd be a hypocrate for trying to argue any point regarding cars going faster....in any direction be it straight or on a circuit.
Last time I checked the first person across any finish line.....WINS....not the slowest....I don't even know why I'm trying to even discuss this with you all
Cuz deep down.....you know I'm right....you are just in denial....

The fastest car doesn't always cross the finish line first. Fact. Performance modifications that vendor sells are not always geared towards increase of speed. Fact. You're making empty arguments about top speed. Not even in redneck NASCAR does the fastest car cross the line. They may only turn left but they still have to turn left well. Fact of the matter is, there is alot more than top speed to a real race. Fact of the matter is, you are locked into some tunnel vision about stoplight drag races. You know I'm right....you're just in denial


Also....why would mazda wait so long to replace a speed protege with another one....lack of a contigency....can be the only reason.....poor planning.....regardless of mazda's overhaul of a platform... why, when dodge effectively blew the mazda out of every competition wouldn't mazda have something to come back at them? That could have been a perfect excuse to make something completely different to compete and possibly beat out a competitor....if plan A doesn't work bust out B....I feel it was just another missed opportunity to really make a name for themselves.....if they really want to be the BMW of the east then they need to act like it....m series cars are some of the best cars ever built....can this be said about mazdaspeed?

whoever said they wanted to be the BMW of the east? Simply put, Ford owns Mazda and ultimately Mazda will be whatever type of marque Ford wants it to be. Mazda didn't level a gun at any platform or manufacturer saying "we're out to beat that company with this certain car." They didn't really give a shit about the competition when they designed the mp3 and the msp. I have stacks of marketing materials from racing beat, mazda motorsports and their corporate magazines on these cars. Never once does Mazda so much as claim to have the fastest car, the most powerful car or the highest horsepower numbers. Every single interview and statement made on these cars is about BALANCE. That has been thier goal from day one.

Okay so mazda doesn't build a car the goes hella fast straight

only intelligent thing you've said today and one I wholeheartedly agree with. all you seem to talk about is light to light races and going fast in a straight so perhaps what you need is a gas guzzling dual exhaust hemi rather than anything in Mazda's current line up. if it doesn't make you happy for what you want from a car, don't buy one or trade it away.

[Captain KRM P5]

The cars will sell anyways.

Thats really the bottom fucking line. Mazda sold all of thier Mazdaspeed Proteges, most of them for over MSRP, more than what an SRT4 cost without a problem. If people didn't like the cars, they wouldn't sell - shit they wouldn't pay more for a slower car if they didn't think the overall package was better. If they didn't sell, Mazda would see a problem with thier design philosophy and change it. Mazda's double digit sales growth in the last two years, in thier eyes, that justifies thier design path.

[JOS3]

Okay so mazda doesn't build a car the goes hella fast straight.....what kinda cars pay the bills.....regular 3's and 6's that's fine....I understand....but if they want to make a car go fast then it needs to be done the right way....I know they meant well..... but straight line fast cars pay the bills too some pretty big ones....especially in the aftermarket world...the SCCA has been around for a long time.....but it wasn't until NIRA came along aftermarkets started to pay attention to imports.....and they do what in which direction? Come on everybody......repeat after me.....they go fast straight.....

I don't want to make enemies here. Lets be friends all I wanted to do is discuss my disappointment with a vehicle which isn't shared and I can understand....but when I get bashed I tend to get pissed. This wasn't to flame anything or anybody. But there are flaws in everything....I just wanted to point a few out....so go fuck yourselves if you want to be babies about it....those who don't then thank you for reading and posting objectively. Until we meet again.


i would just like to point out how ignorant you sound implying that the only thing that matters is straight-line speed. honestly, who gives a fuck about stoplight-to-stoplight speed unless you are 16 years old? you know what the difference between a street ricer like you and a car enthusiast is? a car enthusiast cares about the overall level of fun a car has to offer. having said that, overall fun includes responsive steering, sharp handling, decent power, among many other variables. a ricer like yourself only cares about 1/4 mile times and racing between stoplights.

as dexter said earlier, if you dont like it, dont buy it. its as simple as that. also, to reiterate what the captain said, mazda has never set out to 'take-on' cars being offered by other companies. perhaps you misunderstand the concept of the 'zoom-zoom.' it doesnt mean that mazda thinks their cars are faster than everything else on the road. 'zoom-zoom' refers to fun factor that mazda automobiles offer. they may not be the fastest, but in terms of an overall package you would be hard-pressed to find a better value. go take a look at what a $20K mazda3 has to offer compared to a $20K toyota, honda, dodge or whatever. sure the srt-4 is fast, no one doubts that. but in terms of overall fun, it falls well short on my peoples lists' of desireable cars.

i would also like to point out your hypocritical statement by saying that you dont want to make enemies and lets all be friends, then telling everyone who disagrees to go fuck themselves. if you consider us friends, then i would hate to see what you consider an enemy.

[Mikey444]

You go girl!!!

Last I checked, I am still a man (chair)

[Mazda3]

Everyone always complains about the Mazdaspeed cars. Its getting so fucking old. They never have enough power for anyone. If thats the case, buy a regular 6 and turbo it yourself, and of story. Or buy a different car. If you dont like the car, dont buy it. Its not for you. Its not for the uber enthusiast. None of the Mazdaspeed cars are, if you think about it. A car company creates a car, weather Mazdaspeed or regualr edition, to be driven as stock. It doesnt predict that you will want to up the boost or do any other crazy shit. They do R&D and testing and determine what their target demographic will like. Car modders are only a small percentage of car owners. So Mazdaspeed still needs to cater to those who don't mod and don't care. No one is forcing you to buy this car, or any Mazdaspeed car. If Mazdaspeed wants to make a car with upgraded handling, thats thier fucking choice. The cars will sell anyways. I'm going to go fuck myself right now.


(rofl) (flame)

[prlinding]

Last I checked, I am still a man (chair)

maybe he said it cuz you are a bitch.(321fu)

[crossbow]

Not to ruin this wonderful flame fest...but the problem with the MPS 6 doesn't really seem to be straightline speed...it seems to be in the handling department. All the reviews are pointing out excessive understeer is the primary characteristic of the MPS 6...and the latest review from MPH magazine points out the car has "a comical level of grip" and an almost completely useless AWD system.

I hope mazda revises it to have some wider rubber in a refresh, as that might enable the AWD system to stop randomly transfering power constantly and completely unsettling the car in a turn. (2006.5 MPS maybe?).

[Mazda3]

Not to ruin this wonderful flame fest...but the problem with the MPS 6 doesn't really seem to be straightline speed...it seems to be in the handling department. All the reviews are pointing out excessive understeer is the primary characteristic of the MPS 6...and the latest review from MPH magazine points out the car has "a comical level of grip" and an almost completely useless AWD system.

I hope mazda revises it to have some wider rubber in a refresh, as that might enable the AWD system to stop randomly transfering power constantly and completely unsettling the car in a turn. (2006.5 MPS maybe?).

I haven't read the MPH review is there a copy online somewhere?

[Mazda3]

I haven't read the MPH review is there a copy online somewhere?

Nevermind, I read it on the 6tech sight. The review is a complete joke by a completely unreliable source.

[crossbow]

Of course if it was positive, everyone would be posting it everywhere, pointing out what a great review it is.

Its a review of a pre-production car...which mimics reviews by other more reputable magazines in its discussion of the lack of nimbleness in the vehicle. Its not out of wack, or off key, it fits, its just far more direct then the higher reader count mags.

[Mazda3]

It also forgets to mention the track was wet when they drove it and they don't know how to drive.(doh)

[prlinding]

arent awd platforms supposed to improve handling on wet courses? What makes you think they dont know how to drive?

[crossbow]

Because its a negative review, so they must obviously not know what they are doing. Even though it mirrors some of the comments in the C&D review...

Then of course I'm mr evil anti MPS man, with a hateful biased towards the current MPS 6 design. Hoping that with my pure hatred, I'll be able to will mazda to redo it with a 2006.5 MPS 6.

Mazda3 just balances me out :).

[prlinding]

i have to agree with crossbow. this is an extremely biased forum. no one can have an oppinion unless it conforms to the mainstream.

[Mazda3]

Because its a negative review, so they must obviously not know what they are doing. Even though it mirrors some of the comments in the C&D review...

Then of course I'm mr evil anti MPS man, with a hateful biased towards the current MPS 6 design. Hoping that with my pure hatred, I'll be able to will mazda to redo it with a 2006.5 MPS 6.

Mazda3 just balances me out :).


(enguard)

[JOS3]

i have to agree with crossbow. this is an extremely biased forum. no one can have an oppinion unless it conforms to the mainstream.



you guys are idiots. its has nothing to do with having your own opinion, or conforming to mainstream. you want the mazdaspeed6 to compete with the evo and the sti. what i am trying to explain to you is that mazda never set out to do that. if that were the case, they would have made a 270 hp, awd, mazda3. mazda wanted the ms6 to be a practical and refined car with nice performance. they did not build the ms6 for the fast and furious crowd. hence the lack of huge roof scoop (which it could have since it has a top-mount intercooler), huge wing, and wild/aggresive body kit. my response is not biased. i havent driven the ms6 or even a regular 6 for that matter. i do however, understand what the purpose of the car is and who it was built for.

[obender66]

you guys are idiots. its has nothing to do with having your own opinion, or conforming to mainstream. you want the mazdaspeed6 to compete with the evo and the sti. what i am trying to explain to you is that mazda never set out to do that. if that were the case, they would have made a 270 hp, awd, mazda3. mazda wanted the ms6 to be a practical and refined car with nice performance. they did not build the ms6 for the fast and furious crowd. hence the lack of huge roof scoop (which it could have since it has a top-mount intercooler), huge wing, and wild/aggresive body kit. my response is not biased. i havent driven the ms6 or even a regular 6 for that matter. i do however, understand what the purpose of the car is and who it was built for.

And I must ask-why nobody's complaining about A4 3.0-"Only 220 hp for $33,000..." Grow the fuck up!

[JOS3]

(mswerd)

[crossbow]

(gossip)

[JOS3]

(peep)

[colin949]

(flame2) (flame2) [:flip: (flame2) (birthday) :mad: yeah i thought i would had to the faces add to conclude with a : ) haha the mazdaspeed 6 is great car even if it understeers or oversteers or goes 0-60 in 6 second or if someone complains about someone else complaing about someone complains, or anything like that, soo yeah my input take it or leave it oh yeah : ) ( :

[madmerv]

(flame2) (flame2) [:flip: (flame2) (birthday) :mad: yeah i thought i would had to the faces add to conclude with a : ) haha the mazdaspeed 6 is great car even if it understeers or oversteers or goes 0-60 in 6 second or if someone complains about someone else complaing about someone complains, or anything like that, soo yeah my input take it or leave it oh yeah : ) ( :

Yeah! What he said!!!!!!

What the heck did he say anyway? (wrc)

[prlinding]

if you say so, but one tends to wonder if below your own name it says flippin idiot, how much credibility you can have when trying to make a statement. it'll sell no question. but when editors of reputable magazines and who know how to drive like the ones over at motor trend and car and driver and road and track all wonder if all of the bells and whistles are worth it, i will agree. one editor even said maybe Zoom-Zoom should be spelled with a lower case "z" but theyre idiots too right?

[prlinding]

a4 3.0? apples to oranges....
audi's muscle comes in the form of an S4 and it sells at the 50 mark. and audi is the volkies upper class car. talk about the jetta gli and maybe we'll have a conversation about whether spending that kind of money for that little power is worth it.

[JOS3]

if you say so, but one tends to wonder if below your own name it says flippin idiot, how much credibility you can have when trying to make a statement.

obviously you're the idiot without a sense of humor if you honestly think that its a reference to my own intelligence.

it'll sell no question. but when editors of reputable magazines and who know how to drive like the ones over at motor trend and car and driver and road and track all wonder if all of the bells and whistles are worth it, i will agree. one editor even said maybe Zoom-Zoom should be spelled with a lower case "z" but theyre idiots too right?

allow me to post parts of that same article from car and driver magazine to help your feeble mind grasp what ive been trying to explain to you for the last 2 pages of this thread. this is the very first 2 paragraphs of the article:

"The specs-274 horsepower, 280 pound-feet of torque, all-wheel drive, 3500 pounds-suggest that the bad boy sedan class will soon be a trio: Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, Subaru Impreza WRX STi, and Mazdaspeed6. Not so fast, says Mazda, a caution that may be quite literal. This warmed-up mid-size sedan figures to be the hottest four door the company has ever offered, but its creators are quick to point out that the program objectives are broader than mere hard-edged performance. Think Subaru Legacy GT, or Acura TL.

'We didnt want to do one of those off-the-rally-route-and-onto-the-street type of cars,' said Peter Birtwhistle, a man who helped write the mission statement. He's chief of Mazda's advanced design studio in germany..."

so again, when you compare it to the evo or sti, it doesnt seem worth it. compare it to the TL or Legacy and its a different story when you consider the TL is $6,000 more. also consider that the mazdaspeed 6 is only about $3,000 more than a well equiped 6s. i would also like to point out (and it states it in the article) that they only drove a prototype ms6 for 6 laps for that article. they say a full review will come later when they test a production ms6 in the spring.

[JOS3]

a4 3.0? apples to oranges....
audi's muscle comes in the form of an S4 and it sells at the 50 mark. and audi is the volkies upper class car. talk about the jetta gli and maybe we'll have a conversation about whether spending that kind of money for that little power is worth it.

little power?!?! its 276 hp!! you drive a fucking p5 with 130hp (as do i)!?! how can you say its little power? you still have yet to make a valid point becasue you have none. so until you do i suggest you fuck off and go bitch about something else. like maybe how the stock p5 tires suck in the snow. :rolleyes:

[prlinding]

i didnt buy a 130 p5 thinking i was going to blow everything away.i bought a motorcycle for that. i bought a p5 because i was going to have kid. i did a little dressing up to make it look nice because its a sharp looking car. oh, and the stock tires on a p5 really do suck in the winter. and i did buy it cuz i felt it was the best 130 hp car on the market. UNLIKE a 274 hp mps. which is a slug compared to other 270+hp cars. what is a better 130hp car that the p5? corolla? no. focus? no. civic? i just dont like civics. its the best thing mazdaspeed has come up with at this point, but it has still fallen short IN MY OPPINION, in its stock form, and hopefully the mz3speed will fair a million times better. 300c auto....faster, same price maybe not with all the options but better looking and rear wheel drive. they brought a knife to a gun fight. it does look better than a legacy. and its cheaper than an acura. but acura owners are fiercely loyal. there are too many cars available in the 25k-30k market to show up better than half. thats what the 6i and 6s are for, not the mps. mitsubishi is fucking up too with their galant its coming out with a 260hp version and it sucks, the altima se-r? just as stupid @ 260hp. so in this case against THOSE cars it fairs a lot better than who they (mazda) claim they're going after. mitsu 10yr warr. kinda hard to pass up providing its still in business 2015.

[madmerv]

Say what you want, but it's the car that I want. Being older than most of you guys, I don't need to prove anything to anyone, and I want a nice comfy family car that handles almost as well as a Miata or RX. I bet I get less tickets in this sleeper, too! As I said before, our MSP and Mazda6 are both great cars, albeit in a different light. This one is gonna be the best of both. I will give you a first-hand evaluation when mine arrives. Probably biased, but "real world" and even some time on the track :)

We still have no build date or serial number, but I bug my daeler weekly, just to keep them looking for it.....

"Mad" Merv

[seanmcsean]

yeesh.. this thread got evil really fast.. (flame2)
lets take it easy here!!

until one of us test drives an ms6, its all just blind speculation. I'm looking forward to my test drive. (rockon)

[crossbow]

Just make sure to budget about 1200-1400 USD for better wheels/tires for the MPS 6, and it'll be fine.

Photos confirm it was just mazda's stupidity that made them put stupidly thin wheels/tires on the car...and if you roll the fenders, you will be able to fit rather wide tires/wheels on the car. 17x8's with 235/45/17's would be a nice start.

I would really reconsider preordering one though...average loss on mazdaspeeds is 6-7k in the first 6 months. Just waiting saves you an absolute shitload in mod money!

6 months after the car comes out, the rebates and incentives will hit, and everyone who preordered or bought one before test driving will sit there and cry, realizing they wasted a good 8000 USD they could have been spending on mods for the car.

[JOS3]

i didnt buy a 130 p5 thinking i was going to blow everything away.i bought a motorcycle for that. i bought a p5 because i was going to have kid. i did a little dressing up to make it look nice because its a sharp looking car. oh, and the stock tires on a p5 really do suck in the winter. and i did buy it cuz i felt it was the best 130 hp car on the market. UNLIKE a 274 hp mps. which is a slug compared to other 270+hp cars. what is a better 130hp car that the p5? corolla? no. focus? no. civic? i just dont like civics. its the best thing mazdaspeed has come up with at this point, but it has still fallen short IN MY OPPINION, in its stock form, and hopefully the mz3speed will fair a million times better. 300c auto....faster, same price maybe not with all the options but better looking and rear wheel drive. they brought a knife to a gun fight. it does look better than a legacy. and its cheaper than an acura. but acura owners are fiercely loyal. there are too many cars available in the 25k-30k market to show up better than half. thats what the 6i and 6s are for, not the mps. mitsubishi is fucking up too with their galant its coming out with a 260hp version and it sucks, the altima se-r? just as stupid @ 260hp. so in this case against THOSE cars it fairs a lot better than who they (mazda) claim they're going after. mitsu 10yr warr. kinda hard to pass up providing its still in business 2015.


ok, im done. obviously you are moron because you are still trying to compare the ms6 to other cars that are aimed at younger buyers (evo, sti, ralliart, altima se-r, etc). THE MS6 IS NOT AIMED AT YOUNG BUYERS. wtf is wrong with you that you cant comprehend that?

btw, the 300C, better looking? i hardly think so.


Say what you want, but it's the car that I want. Being older than most of you guys, I don't need to prove anything to anyone, and I want a nice comfy family car that handles almost as well as a Miata or RX. I bet I get less tickets in this sleeper, too! As I said before, our MSP and Mazda6 are both great cars, albeit in a different light. This one is gonna be the best of both. I will give you a first-hand evaluation when mine arrives. Probably biased, but "real world" and even some time on the track :)

finally, someone who gets it.

[JOS3]

Just make sure to budget about 1200-1400 USD for better wheels/tires for the MPS 6, and it'll be fine.

Photos confirm it was just mazda's stupidity that made them put stupidly thin wheels/tires on the car...and if you roll the fenders, you will be able to fit rather wide tires/wheels on the car. 17x8's with 235/45/17's would be a nice start.

I would really reconsider preordering one though...average loss on mazdaspeeds is 6-7k in the first 6 months. Just waiting saves you an absolute shitload in mod money!

6 months after the car comes out, the rebates and incentives will hit, and everyone who preordered or bought one before test driving will sit there and cry, realizing they wasted a good 8000 USD they could have been spending on mods for the car.

i totally agree. i hate the wheels and it would be better to wait a few months than to preorder it.

[madmerv]

i totally agree. i hate the wheels and it would be better to wait a few months than to preorder it.

Too late...mine is "in the queue", and I'm glad.... (k) and ready to (drive)

:mad: Merv

[prlinding]

Quote:
Originally Posted by madmerv
Say what you want, but it's the car that I want. Being older than most of you guys, I don't need to prove anything to anyone, and I want a nice comfy family car that handles almost as well as a Miata or RX. I bet I get less tickets in this sleeper, too! As I said before, our MSP and Mazda6 are both great cars, albeit in a different light. This one is gonna be the best of both. I will give you a first-hand evaluation when mine arrives. Probably biased, but "real world" and even some time on the track :)

protejay5 says

finally, someone who gets it.

wrong again....

so the miata and rx handle badly? can you say understeer? you agree with someone who agrees with you...

im not by myself in this argument a lot of people are dissapointed with the outcome thats why you feel like you have to defend it. when i read earlier in this thread that people are sick and tired of people bashing mazdaspeed its because YOU dont get it. people buy what they want. i wont say your dumb because you bought it. you can do what you want with your money. if you think that the mps is better than a 300c you must be joking, because i can put money on the mps never making a car of the year on any magazine.

[Captain KRM P5]

if you think that the mps is better than a 300c you must be joking, because i can put money on the mps never making a car of the year on any magazine.

the chevy vega and ford thunderbird made Car of the Year in the same magazine that called the ghetto brick on dub wheels 300c Car of the Year. The retro-new thunderbird was a worthless car that will fade from production this year and the Vega's body and aluminum engine fell apart at 20,000 miles. I can put money on Chrysler's infamous lack of quality getting the 300 back in the shop early and often after 50,000 miles having owned plenty of them. Every magazine on earth could call that Car of Year and i wouldn't so much as test drive one. the "magazine car of the year" argument is the weakest you've yet made.

as for all those "stupid cars" that don't make car of the year? they will probably sell, and sell plenty, regardless of your disappointment and opinion. in your educated expert mind, what exactly is the problem with the altima se-R?

[prlinding]

the ugliest 18 wheels ive ever seen, 10hp, and a six speed tranny why bother calling it se-r? just make them options.

[Dexter]

fuck off.

[prlinding]

suck my dick

[Dexter]

watch out, i bite.

[prlinding]

i wouldnt doubt it, fag.

[Dexter]

Haha, your car is slow.

[ChiMSP]

---> other dude(fight)<--- Dex

[prlinding]

yup it sure is, but you arent quicker than my bike.

[Dexter]

i dont care about your bike. this is a car forum and you drive a nice-n-slow protege5.

[prlinding]

well if your momma would run faster maybe id think about hooking it up so i wouldnt have to go so slow for her to get in.

[prlinding]

she only nibbles though. she aint a biter like you

[Dexter]

haha what if my mom was jackie joyner kersey, wsup now

[prlinding]

lucky for the both of you there's plenty of dick down there to suck on

[Captain KRM P5]

i just read the sport compact car magazine test drive preview of the mazdaspeed6 and they gave it glowing marks. they said dry pavement handling was great and the wet traction issues and understeer on the preproduction car was being corrected for the US launch. i thought since our friend from Aurora/Around put so much faith in magazines/car of the year type shit he might like that, but I then I remembered that he bought the wrong car and that if the car didn't have 3000 horsepower and do warp five in a straight line it wouldn't impress his friends and give him the validation he needs in his life from others since the handling argument just didnt work on them.

[madmerv]

Will someone please close this thread? It's so far in the gutter now they won't ever shovel themselvs out!

[seanmcsean]

Will someone please close this thread? It's so far in the gutter now they won't ever shovel themselvs out!

I can't lock it.. but I agree

[Antoine]

Don't waste community time and posts by flaming up threads just because you got your panties in a bunch...GROW the HELL UP!...Seriously...do you realize how some of you sound?...Thread Closed