New FMIC

[UnNaturalinc]

We just finished our Supra intercooler kits which came out pretty nice and affordable. We are now considering building one for the Proteges. The question I have for everyone here is would this be of interest to anyone? I realize a few other companies are currently making them already.

Here's some pictures of our Supra kit compared to GReddy's kit.
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/images/products/HPF_FMIC_SUP4_LRG.jpg

We estimate the price to be right around $950. The Protege kit would come with everything just as our other kits do (any/all brackets, hardware, intercooler itself, piping). Piping will be available in black or silver powdercoat finish.

Any feedback would be appreciated.... thanks.

[Captain KRM P5]

looks great

[jeffmsp]

the supra kit looks great. if you were to do it would it require cutting stuff like the perrin kit, or be a bolt on like the BEGI FMIC? i already have a fmic, but im sure there are lots of others out there looking, and unless there has been 2000 fmics sold to MS owners, then you still have some market available.

[FSDET]

yeah alot of ppl including me dont have fmic yet..

[wicked]

judging by the one above he'll just buy someone elses,and copy it.

plagiarizing-to use and pass off(the idea's or writings of another)as ones own.

[wicked]

Any feedback would be appreciated.... thanks.
thats what you asked for.

[spacemonkey]

nice...thats sexy.

Well I would like one that is safe (meaning keeping the bumper support and rebar). Of course it gotta look nice...did a fantastic job on the supra IC.

A big turn off would be the routing...I like Perrin's routing of the pipes (doesnt go through stock IC location)! And I would like to use my Injen intake.

And finally minimal or no cutting.

Thats all I can think of for an intercooler to appeal to me.

of course price but I reall dont mind if its a good innercooler and slightly above average price. Got my eye on a perrin FMIC...but ddont know if I have the money till fall...(when school money starts flowign again)

[MoJoeTCM]

mmmmm look freakishly tall..... i am with the other guy, not cutting, no drilling, i am pretty sure you have a sale, but it will be hard to top MAMs new package...he even includes the fans............

[spacemonkey]

Its gonna be a challenge but im sure horsepowerfreaks is up to it... :)

[Colombianmvp7]

im also in the market for a FMIC and thats sexy...and i agree w/ the others minimal or no cuttin would definitly help.....and the price is....alriight (thumb)


GOOD STUFF !!!!!!

[FSDET]

judging by the one above he'll just buy someone elses,and copy it.

plagiarizing-to use and pass off(the idea's or writings of another)as ones own.
woow

[status50]

Take a look at the Mental Addiction FMIC.There is no metal body cutting,lets you run alarger radiator is you like and comes with ALOT of stuff.
Here is a link:

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91394

[wicked]

Take a look at the Mental Addiction FMIC.There is no metal body cutting,lets you run alarger radiator is you like and comes with ALOT of stuff.
Here is a link:

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91394

that is hard to beat,but remember you can't use the injen'CARB legal' intake on it.

but I routed my own FMIC,and there aren't many options for routing,unless you moved the A/C accumulator.

[FSDET]

injen is not carb legal. atleast it doesnt say on it

[wicked]

injen is not carb legal. atleast it doesnt say on it
all of there intakes are,or aleast pending.if you did not get a little metal sticker with it,then it's either pending(not legal yet),or they forgot to give you one.

but it may have been pending approval when you bought it,and is now,in that case you e-mail injen,they will contact you a few days later with further instuction.

[FSDET]

well i had injen i sold it for the perrin now im selling the perrin for the MAM fmic kit that comes with it. i always go back to stock smic when smog check time comes.. even if the intake was legal i dont think BOVs are

[wicked]

well i had injen i sold it for the perrin now im selling the perrin for the MAM fmic kit that comes with it. i always go back to stock smic when smog check time comes.. even if the intake was legal i dont think BOVs are
it is if it recerculates.

[Mental Addiction]

that is hard to beat,but remember you can't use the injen'CARB legal' intake on it.

but I routed my own FMIC,and there aren't many options for routing,unless you moved the A/C accumulator.Our kit comes with an intake.You don't have to move anything either.

[RyanJayG]

lol, thats funny, worring about a CARB legal intake when the rest of the system isn't CARB legal anyways.... kinda splitting hairs no?

[UnNaturalinc]

Our intention with routing will be efficiency and ease of installation. I'm not wanting to cut up the front end of my car by any means, but I want to create an intercooler that will be beneficial in most every way possible.

I'm undecided on the bumper support at this point. They're not a safety piece for high speed crashes in the first place.

[UnNaturalinc]

judging by the one above he'll just buy someone elses,and copy it.

plagiarizing-to use and pass off(the idea's or writings of another)as ones own.

GReddy had a good design for the pipe routing. There was no reason to re-route the pipes on that kit. If they were better routed elsewhere, we would have done so. We improved upon their design, yes. With the end user in mind, we were able to create an improved, higher efficient product with competitive pricing.

For the Proteges, we are not out to copy anyone's kit. It will be built from scratch to the specs we find most suitable for these cars.

[jeffmsp]

see if you can make it so that the entire mouth is covered by the IC, thats sexy.

[wicked]

lol, thats funny, worring about a CARB legal intake when the rest of the system isn't CARB legal anyways.... kinda splitting hairs no?
intercoolers and routing is legal by all means,it's just that open elaments,and atmospheric items aren't unless approved.

[RyanJayG]

intercoolers and routing is legal by all means,it's just that open elaments,and atmospheric items aren't unless approved.
not quite true my friend....



DEFINITIONS



Air Filter/Intake Modification - open element air filters, modifications to the air flow intake tract, heat risers/preheat ducts.

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/devices/aftermktdevice.php

^^^ is a list of intercooler kits that are apporoved by the C.A.R.B.

[sXe]

see if you can make it so that the entire mouth is covered by the IC, thats sexy.

for sure do that

make it so there is no cutting or replacing the bumper support.... a nice routing of pipes so that the air flows easily... make it come with a BOV... other fun stuff... make it like the MAM but covering the whole mouth..... plzplz :)

[Demonic-Speed]

Ummm all you did was copy the design of the greddy....What is the MSP kit going to look like ION? I am pretty sure there are laws against just copying someones design.

I am not knocking, I am stating what it looks like.

[UnNaturalinc]

Ummm all you did was copy the design of the greddy....What is the MSP kit going to look like ION? I am pretty sure there are laws against just copying someones design.

I am not knocking, I am stating what it looks like.

This was brought up and I addressed it already. Please read the 6th post down on the second page. Thank you :)

[Demonic-Speed]

LOL my bad....At least I was not the only one that saw it:)

[wicked]

not quite true my friend....

[/list] http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/devices/aftermktdevice.php

^^^ is a list of intercooler kits that are apporoved by the C.A.R.B.


thats how they are written,but according to the man how wrote those laws,Joe Casolary,it doesn't matter what has been done,if all factory emmisions components are still there,and in correct place.and must still pass 5 gas analysis.

[RyanJayG]

thats how they are written,but according to the man how wrote those laws,Joe Casolary,it doesn't matter what has been done,if all factory emmisions components are still there,and in correct place.and must still pass 5 gas analysis.
I understand that... my point was not to show a list of certified kits, but to show that there ARE certified kits. did that make sense?

I'm just trying to illistrate that there IS a CARB certification for IC kits, therefore changing an intercooler kit but retaining a CARB cert. intake is pointless.

[03MSPRO]

judging by the one above he'll just buy someone elses,and copy it.

plagiarizing-to use and pass off(the idea's or writings of another)as ones own.
there is noyhing wrong making it better and more affordable.

[Brian MP5T]

F-Ing Sweet. I was wonering if you could make a doublepass.

[noclue119]

there is noyhing wrong making it better and more affordable.
ya until u got sued for copy right infrigement.

[wicked]

there is noyhing wrong making it better and more affordable.
ther is something wrong with a company spending thousands of dollers to make a product top of the line,then have the guy next door see it and make it himself,so they never make thier money back.

when that kind of shit happens people stop putting in as much into thier work,then nothing new gets developed,then your stuck with a bunch of shitty companies who can't innovate,or produce new things.


(gtfo) if you start copying the companies on this forum you will push them out,and you don't want to do that since there are allready so few.

shmuck.

[UnNaturalinc]

Hey everyone... We are still interested creating these kits. And possibly a turbo header also.

We've created a couple turbo kits and IC kits in the past few months. Great response on them. I'd like to be able to offer more product for the Proteges.

[Riles]

I gotta say, your price range doesn't really appeal to me. We already have 3 or 4 kits in that range- how would yours be any different than the others? We've got intercoolers with huge cores, good routing, easy installation. There is even a good kit for $760 (although it has steel pipes). What are your pipes made of?

What's the point of competing with the other products if you really don't have anything that sets yourself apart? (Price, function, etc.) You're just taking minimal business away from the loyal vendors at our site that have been here long before.

Since I see no difference in your product, you are the equivalent of a generic medicine or bagged cereal, except you don't offer a price advantage like those products do.

There's only one good turbo header out there (Mental Addiction) and one cast one (HiBoost), so maybe there's room there. But at that price, I wouldn't do the fmic unless your fab costs are really low.

But, thats just my opinion and everybody gets one!

[Shadow102]

^^^^i agree unless you can tell me as a consumer y to buy from you over another company. as it stands i am looking into a hiboost FMIC since it is in the $800 range or possibly the MAM kit since it offers so much. As for the turbo manifold MAM has proven themselves with making an awesome manifold however their price is extremely steep for anyone pushing stock boost if you could do a tubular manifold and bring price down alot you would have alot of people banging at your door for one

[MSP #167]

I gotta say, your price range doesn't really appeal to me. We already have 3 or 4 kits in that range- how would yours be any different than the others? We've got intercoolers with huge cores, good routing, easy installation. There is even a good kit for $760 (although it has steel pipes). What are your pipes made of?

What's the point of competing with the other products if you really don't have anything that sets yourself apart? (Price, function, etc.) You're just taking minimal business away from the loyal vendors at our site that have been here long before.

Since I see no difference in your product, you are the equivalent of a generic medicine or bagged cereal, except you don't offer a price advantage like those products do.

There's only one good turbo header out there (Mental Addiction) and one cast one (HiBoost), so maybe there's room there. But at that price, I wouldn't do the fmic unless your fab costs are really low.

But, thats just my opinion and everybody gets one!


good point...but this site is not a monopoly...if he has interest let them make it Why are you trying to push products for our cars out.

we don't have that much support as it is...maybe down the road they will make something that more people need at a good price.

[CChris704]

alright i really don't want to read everyone elses threads because i'm lazy but anyways heres how it is for me at least. I plan on getting a FMIC for me and I know I am going to be trying to find the one with the best power and reliability for the least amount of money because I am poor. But, with a FMIC i'm going to want some rice abillity also so I can show it off to all my friends and be like "whats up i have the biggest." But anyways, from the price that you gave it looks like you're going to be in the same range as hiboost so if ya'll can make a product better than them and prove it. You have my business.

[jeffmsp]

lol bunch of crybabies.wadda you guys have stock in MAM and Hiboost or something, every other market in the world has competition like this. he can do whatever he wants. if i were him id just make it already and post up pics and prices, $30 less than every other company out there lol with free shipping and tacobell coupons.

[xtrememps]

Your supra intercooler looks great. I don't have a FMIC yet, and I would seriously consider this. The more products the better for proteges. I think it's funny how people say that there's already enough FMIC's, go look for a FMIC for something like a supra..or even an srt-4, there's way more available than we could ever hope for lol. If this looks financially agreeable to you guys, go for it. Good luck!

[UnNaturalinc]

You guys talk as if I'm some huge corporate guy trying to clean out the little guys. I've been working on Mazdas and only Mazdas for the past 6 years. I've helped develop, prototype, and test a large number of products that many of you have on your cars. This Mazda "community" is something I have been part of for that long also.

I've seen a few other kits out there now, but some of the companies don't even list them on their site. It's kind of hard for people to know about a product when you have read up on a message board to find out it's even available.

Instead of tearing down someone who wants to help create products, it would be more beneficial if you would offer help. Example... Posting a list of all the intercoolers already made, saying what you would like to see, etc.

I'm here to help create parts and offer product at good prices. I know there are a large number of people out there that want to see more parts made for these cars.

[xtrememps]

Good post, there is a thread about all the intercoolers available already FYI (I believe it's a sticky in the MSP section). I would like to see something along the lines of the MAM or Perrin FMIC - large core (to fill up grille opening), perhaps a choice of different flanges for different BPV/BOV's, routing of piping shouldn't go through stock location to allow for larger radiator, etc.

[Super Matty P]

wow. Someone tries to create something for our cars and gets bashed....go figure. I've not seen this happen 200 times on this forum.

[edaddeemsp]

There are quite a few options for the owners of evos, wrx's, and srt-4's, so why not add to the support of having another company that actually want's to put msp's in the game. As far as input input of making a new fmic for the msp, i'd have to agree with xtrememsp, cover the entire front opening with the intercooler itself, allow for choicing on the bov, bpv, bpv/bov combo, offer the piping in shiny, as well as powder coat, for the same price.
If everyone thinks about it, the more manufacturers that make products for our cars, the more each manuf. try's to beat out the others with price or options, so don't knock something if the end outcome will be benificial.

[low_psi]

I think most peope here focus on the price first. Then they look at what options they have with the kits: powder coat, flange choice, coupler color etc. If you make something that looks good, performs great and isn't insanely expensive, you'll have customers.

[Riles]

I wasn't bashing you from a loyal msprotege.com user's perspective, but from a consumer perspective. Look at the sticky on fmic's in this forum- at your price point, you will be settling right in the middle of all of the others.

I was serious when I asked what makes your product different from the others. It's the same price, same function... whats special?

I would definitely love to see another turbo header out there, though, and some other parts. But the FMIC is almost played out in the $900+ price range.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "Don't Make It", I'm pretty much just curious as to why you wouldn't try to do something special, like lower prices or have some defining feature in mind that caused you to want to hop in.

[UnNaturalinc]

My main concern with what is on the market is the lack of information. I've looked through that post and tried finding all the information I can. For instance, I do not see anything on Ion's website about an intercooler (most of their links are bad anyway). Protegegarage.com does not seem to be a valid website anymore, I also don't see a listing for HiBoost's intercooler on SPD's site (nor info on hiboost.com besides they have one).

Pann Auto has some information, but Perrin Performance is the only one I can find actual/good information on.

These intercoolers utilize the much sought after Spearco bar and plate design and are a complete bolt on system without cutting up your car. Our kits also come with T-Bolt clamps opposed to the cheaper worm style clamps found in other intercooler kits. Our piping is all powder coated and will be available in black or silver. Also included in the kit are silicone couplers, and everything needed for install (bolts, brackets, misc hardware). We would also offer a complete write up for our website and for this board with detailed pictures and installation guide.

In addition to creating our own kit, we also offer the Perrin Performance system. Our goal is to provide quality product at an affordable price with options and optimal performance gains to suite the customers needs. With the completion of the kit will we have dyno graphs available from our in-house DynoJet comparing before and after to show results.

Also, for those running the Unichip EMS, we will be creating new maps based on this Intercooler kit.

[Brian MP5T]

I PM'ed the link to a friend in search of a FMIC...

[FSDET]

i say u should make it. http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86698