New Vibrant Performance CatBack system

[Don Lockwood]

There is a new complete CatBack system for the Mazda3.
Here is the email i was sent by Vibrant about details and pricing. Enjoy!
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"Good Morning and Happy New Year to you as well.

We did build and test this system on the 2.3L model but we were informed by Mazda that the 2.0L and the 2.3L both share the same exhaust system. Once we get a few systems in stock (later this month) we will be getting a 2.0L model into our test center to confirm this but I am very confident that it will fit both engines and both the 4 door and 5 door models.

The suggested retail price for #1696 is $699.95 US for the complete system, including an ultra high flow metal monolith catalytic converter. However, our dealers are telling us that they plan to sell this system for between $599.95 US and $629.95, which I think is a very fair price point.

Dollar for Dollar, this is the best system on the market for this car. It's an easy bolt on system that will instantly cause your power output to shoot up (we made 10HP gain on the 2.3L model without doing any fine tuning and our guess is that the gain on the 2.0L will be in the range of 8 to 9 HP gain, which is huge for a cat-back system). It sounds great and it retains a very subtle "OEM" style look so as to avoid unwanted attention from the police, which is important in Quebec.

If you have any questions, please let us know.

Thanks

Dino Rossi
Vibrant Performance
www.vibrantperformance.com "

[MidnightSpeeder]

Pictures? Dyno Graphs?

The 2.3 you tested was the manual tranmission right? What gains are expected from the automatic transmission?

Thanks,
Geoff

[tgv121281]

What size piping are they using????




PS-you can see the pics AND dynos on the link he provided at the bottom of the thread

[MidnightSpeeder]

tgv - Crap, thanks! I didn't notice.

Edit - Adding Dyno Figures (for the lazy)

Before Exhaust (Stock 3)
131.96 whp
128.05 lb/ft

After Exhaust (Vibrant Exhaust)
142.37 whp
137.35 lb.ft

An increase of 10.41 whp and 9.3 lb/ft.

Pretty darned good! Add this with an CAI, then you've got quite the combo.

Do you guys have any sound clips?

[tgv121281]

Those are some good numbers. So here's a question, what do you guys think...Draxas or Vibrant?



PS-anyone know what size piping is used?

[Badger Biker]

What were the reported gains for the Draxas system?

Draxas /was/ cheaper if I remember. But if the gains are higher on this one ... well, it'll be a tough decision.

Sound clips would be great as well!

[MidnightSpeeder]

I believe Draxas is cheaper for the High Flow and the Race Pipe, I believe.

IMO, this Vibrant system has to be a high-quality system (one that rivals the Thermal R&D exhaust system that Draxas has) and it has to definately sound good.

The market craves good power (+1 for Vibrant) and good sound (nice and throaty..)

[Greenbread]

i cant find were to hear it can u post the link not just to the main website but to that specific part

[AzMz3]

I would say that the dyno was of an auto 2.3L Hatch. Like I said in another thread the Thermal R&D exhaust system usually is on the ass end when it comes to the most HP/TQ.
60mm = 2.36" diameter mandrel bent exhaust.
I'd say Vibrant looks the most promising, I'd rather use bolts and gaskets to bolt-up an exhaust than clamps. But I don't think, I'm actually pretty sure, the exhaust for the hatch will not fit the 4 door.

[Badger Biker]

I /really/ want to hear what this one sounds like. The more I look at it, the more I am impressed.

[briand805]

very interesting. I would like more information..

[redfyre]

I've visited the Vibrant factory and the staff is unbelievably great to deal with. (cool) I've bought parts for my car and my sisters car and they were cheap considering the quality you get.

[tgv121281]

Well, now I'm up in the air. Both seem good, but the point that Azmz made was pretty huge. I found directions on the draxas site confirming the clamps, but couldnt find anything on the vibrant showing whats used. Also, thanks for doing the math on the piping Azmz. SO here's what I did, I wrote a detailed email to Vibrant explaing that I ordered draxas, and want more info b/c I'm thinking about going w/ them, then I listed a few questions that I had as well as some that were asked by you guys and told them if they came through w/ solid info they would see some response from this forum(a little motivation for them). I'll keep you guys posted as soon as I hear anything.

PS-I also asked if the 5door fits on the 4, and if not did they have a system for the 4door....(look at me keeping the sedan freaks happy!)

[MidnightSpeeder]

TGV - Thanks! Make sure you post the reply! Good work!

[briand805]

I E-mailed vibrant late last night and they responded today before noon.. now thats what I call customer service..

here is the email.

Hi Brian

We have indeed developed a performance exhaust system for the Mazda 3. We developed it on the 5 door edition with the upgraded motor option but, from what we are told by our friends at Mazda, the exhaust system for the 5 door will fit the 4 door as well.

If you would like to learn more about our soon to be released Exhaust system for the Mazda3, please go to www.vibrantperformance.com and click on the news release on the home page for more details.

We will start shipping these systems to our dealers starting the 2nd week of February (about 4 weeks from now). We expect the first batch of systems to sell quickly so, if our system interests you, you might want to contact your local Vibrant dealer to pre-order one to make sure you get one of the first off the production line.

If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask.
Thanks

Dino

A response like this goes a long way in my book..

[Silver Bull3t]

Those are some good numbers. So here's a question, what do you guys think...Draxas or Vibrant?



PS-anyone know what size piping is used?


I'm going Draxas.....2.5inch. Vibrant is like 2.36inches. I may go turbo after warranty so I want atleast a 2.5 inch so I don't have to re-upgrade later.

[AzMz3]

I'm going Draxas.....2.5inch. Vibrant is like 2.36inches. I may go turbo after warranty so I want atleast a 2.5 inch so I don't have to re-upgrade later.


That is one advantage to the Draxas that 2.5" will be good for FI or if you plan to add a race header......But it is only 0.14" Hard decision, but reputation wise I'd pick Vibrate over Thermal anyday.

There will be another option coming, I don't have a date. But I have been talking to www.trubendz.com and they are making an exhaust kit for the Mazda3. Good thing about them is they usually offer 2.25", 2.50" & 3.0" exhaust piping with your choice of mufflers. All mandrel bent and at a more resonable price.

[tgv121281]

Also, theres a system just released by corksport as well. DOnt know any numbers tho.

PS-I asked Vibrant some specific questions...if they answer me vaguely, then I'm sticking to Draxas. I asked them for real deal numbers, if they dont give solid responses then I'm not buying, just my opinion

[AzMz3]

Also, theres a system just released by corksport as well. DOnt know any numbers tho.

PS-I asked Vibrant some specific questions...if they answer me vaguely, then I'm sticking to Draxas. I asked them for real deal numbers, if they dont give solid responses then I'm not buying, just my opinion

If you are referring to dyno numbers as real deal numbers, I don't think Draxas has them at all. I don't think they have dyno'd tested their exhaust.
Which system did you order?

[tgv121281]

I was referring to Vibrants numbers. But now that you mention it I'm gonna get on Draxas for numbers too. I ordered the Draxas system b/c they were on back order. Seems like a decent system compared to Borla & Magna, but I'm seriously considering cancelling-IF I get some answers from Vibrant.

PS-Still no response from them yet, and they did read my email b/c I have the receipt.....starting to PMO now! If I dont get a response form them by this afternoon I'm sending another email, less friendly this time.

[tgv121281]

PS-Briand805, can you tell me where you sent your email to? You got a response the next day, and I still havent heard anything since Sat.
I sent mine to info@vibrantperformance.com. Lemme know!

[briand805]

PS-Briand805, can you tell me where you sent your email to? You got a response the next day, and I still havent heard anything since Sat.
I sent mine to info@vibrantperformance.com. Lemme know!

I sent my email to the same place you did.at 12:14 am on the 8th recieved a response at 11:56 am on the 8th which was A Saturday.. pleasantly surprised to get such a fast response.

[tgv121281]

Ok, thanks....lets see!

[tgv121281]

This is the response I got when I pushed Draxas. I asked for numbers on the system w/ hi flow cat, and explained that Vibrant was posting some good numbers. I think he has a very good point, I dont know about the numbers being off by 10hp, but other than that I think what he's saying is pretty much right on. Lets see what Vibrant answers back with. SHould get interesting!

PS-Does anyone want to push Corksport for their info? Maybe we can get a 3-way battle going!

[tgv121281]

This was corksport's reply abou ttheir exhaust system. I replied for him to send me the numbers w/ the intake so we can have an idea. Lets see!





1-Gains, Dynos?

We can get a car on the dyno with the exhaust system and an Injen intake but I do not have a before and after dyno run. When you remove the old exhaust it has to be cut off unless you are into removing your rear sub frame.



2-Do you utilize clamps or bolts for installation?

Our system bolts on.



3-The price seems relatively low, any catches????

No catches, just a good product for a decent price.



4-Any Sound clips?

We have some but the sound quality is not so good. I will see about getting something up on the webpage.

[briand805]

This is the response I got when I pushed Draxas. I asked for numbers on the system w/ hi flow cat, and explained that Vibrant was posting some good numbers. I think he has a very good point, I dont know about the numbers being off by 10hp, but other than that I think what he's saying is pretty much right on. Lets see what Vibrant answers back with. SHould get interesting!

PS-Does anyone want to push Corksport for their info? Maybe we can get a 3-way battle going!


I dont see a Draxas response..

[tgv121281]

Ok guys, here's what they said. I replied 1 more time asking them what variables they used when they did the dyno since we thought the pulls were a little weak. I'll post that when I have it.----Hope this is helping, if its not please let me know not to waste my time...otherwise...enjoy

PS-Brian, thanks for the headsup...I forgot to paste the email from Draxas..will do now..




Hi Tony

Thanks for the email...I like guys who get right to the point.

We recognize that we have only really teased people with info about our soon to be released systems for the Mazda3. That was done for a few reasons. First, we did not want to get people too excited about the system before we were ready to start shipping them. We made that mistake in the past and we sort of got burned. This time, we decided to just throw a little info out to the forums and the magazines to get some interest perked up and then we would do a big press release with all the details, including audio, as soon as the product is physically boxed up, sitting on the shelf and ready to start shipping to dealers.

However, I will answer each an every one of your questions in detail because the systems are almost ready to start shipping (we have less than 4 more weeks before the first systems start to roll out) and it's time to start cranking up the PR machine for this system.

Please see my replies in BLUE text below each of your questions:


Best Regards,

Dino Rossi (Jr.)
Product Manager
Vibrant Performance
www.vibrantperformance.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Valenziano [mailto:tvalenziano@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 10:46 AM
To: Dino Jr. Rossi
Subject: 2004 2.3L MAZDA3, 5DOOR.........Draxas VS. Vibrant


Guys, I'm completely lost and I need some help QUICK. I've already ordered my exhaust through Draxas and I'm very close to cancelling and ordering one of yours due to some research that I've done. In fact there's about 12other people in the same exact situation as me, so this is on behalf of all of us. We need some more info. Your site just doesn't give us some of the info we need to know in order to switch over. Please help us out w/ the following questions so we can do what we all feel is the right move.

1-Need some instructions, or a list of parts. Draxas uses clamps, rumor is you guys don't, need proof of some sort.

Tony, here is a photo of the system. As you can clearly see, this is a complete BOLT ON system. Therefore, no need for clamps. All we include in this kit is 3 gaskets, 8 nuts, 8 bolts and 16 washers to connect the whole thing.

You will have to cut your stock mid-pipe in half to get it off the car but that's the only "messy" part of the install (and you would have to do that with anyone else's system anyways so it really is not a knock against our system...that's just the reality of the OE system).

We integrate an ultra high flow metal monolith catalytic converter into the mid pipe to make the install as easy and simple as possible. Our cat will flow between 2 and 3 times better than a traditional ceramic core cat (such as the one that Draxas uses).



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2-Need a sound clip, the exhaust looks great on the blue 3 on the site, but how about some audio?

- I'm working on this. I can promise you that the system sounds fantastic...nice low deep tone (not like bees in a can or anything like some systems sound on Civics). Our original test car has been very hard to book in for time to do a sound test but I have tentatively booked it for an hour on Jan. 14. If we get it done, I'll add it to the site and email you.

3-Need some kind of pricing idea. The list of authorized dealers on the site don't advertise price, or even talk about this system. That said, need the info of your best authorized dealer in the US..the one with the best shipping times, prices, and support. (FYI this is where you can seriously differ from Draxas, they wont have our orders in till 2/7/05....however we only have a few days left to cancel per their "policy")

- The suggested retail price is $699.95 US for the complete kit. However, our dealers are telling us that they will be offering introductory pricing on this system (likely between $599.95 and $609.95...somewhere in there). You will have to contact our dealers to get accurate "street" prices. If someone prefer to buy directly from us, we will be selling it at the full MSRP price....we prefer not to sell direct to the public but when we do, it's always at full MSRP...we don't discount.

- If you prefer to buy online, I would recommend the following dealers:

East Coast

www.driverfx.com

www.gscmotorsports.com

www.titanmotorsports.com


West Coast

www.shopcms.com

www.horsepowerfreaks.com


These are all very reputable mail order dealers who can handle your orders with no problem. They will all be selling the system at more or less the same price but you can feel free to shop around.

These companies by and large don't have anything posted on their sites for this exhaust system yet as we did not want our dealers prematurely accepting orders for this exhaust system until we could guarantee a relatively accurate shipping date. Now that we can assure people that the first batch of product will start shipping in 3-4 weeks, we are sending complete new product announcements to all of our dealers so they can start taking pre-orders this week or next week.

Of course, all of our "bricks and mortar" dealers will also be happy to accept orders for this system. If people on the boards want to find a dealer close to them, try our dealer locator on our website (click the distributor button) to find one near them. We don't have dealers in all 50 states but we have dealers in most.



4-Need to know what other products are seriously(no BS) in the works for our cars. Headers would be nice....!

- We are almost finished developing a Front Upper Strut Bar for the Mazda3. It's been a challenge but we are almost done.

- We'll be studying doing a header for this car later this winter. The soonest we would have a header prototype developed would be March.


5-Need this info assap, as mentioned above we have a few more days to cancel our orders before we're stuck with them. In case you think I'm bluffing about my claim of having at least 12other people in my situation, check out www.mazdaiii.com , just browse around and you'll probably see alot more than 12 people talking about this problem...however, there's 12 that I know of that are serious, there may be more-but I cant verify.

- I hope this info helps. If you need any more info, feel free to call me at 905-564-2808 x 238

[tgv121281]

Sorry for the cunfusion.....




Tony,

We posted dyno numbers from our system a couple months ago. The
numbers on our site are for our
base system that utilizes the stock cat. The day we dynoed the Mazda3,
we had trouble installing
the race pipe section of the exhaust, so we were unable to dyno that
portion.

When this next batch of exhausts come out, I am planning on having
another dyno session in Los
Angeles to test our Option #3 exhaust system.

In defense of our exhaust (and I have posted this on message boards and
our site).... It is not
fair to judge gains from one exhaust system to another exhaust system
when the two kits were
installed on two different cars and two different dynos were used,
often seperated by thousands of
miles. Who knows who the different cars are setup or how each dyno is
calibrated. It has been
tested in various magazines and websites, that the same car can on the
same day using different
dynos can dyno VERY differently from dyno to dyno. Sometimes the
numbers may be off by over 10hp.

Taking that into account, there is no sure/scientific/proven way to
dyno different cars on
different dynos and then accurately compare the horsepower numbers. I
have even stated that I am
more than happy to donate one of our exhaust systems for a Mazda3
Exhaust System shootout. That
way our kit can be installed onto a Mazda3 and tested on the same car
and same dyno that other
companies who donate kits for test have their system tested on. This is
the only fair way.

Our systems will soon be in stock and those people who have installed
our kits are very happy with
them. I have yet to see any dyno sheets from any of those customers,
but again, we couldnt
accurately compare their gains to our cars gains unless they were from
the same dyno. I mean, you
can compare them, but dont be surprised if the numbers are different.

Nikolas

[tgv121281]

Guys I wanted to get the info up asap, please DO NOT CALL THIS GUY, he requests plain & simplethat you email him instead. He's been helpful and nice enough to give me/us this info---lets not burn the contact. Thank In advance.

That said here's the deal about the low pulls on the dyno, apparently its attributed to larger rims and more weight from audio....lets compare comments and thoughts, b/c it seems as if the numbers are between Draxas & Vibrant are going to be very close....Lets get some good posts, good opinions, make up our minds and if enough people are serious maybe we can find a vendor and do a group buy....talk to me people....



Hi Tony

I am glad you are happy with the info.

Below, you will find the answers to the other questions you have.

Thanks

Dino Rossi
Vibrant Performance
www.vibrantperformance.com

P.S. The latest issue of Performance Auto and Sound has a feature tech install article for this exhaust system. It shows just how easy it is to install our system.




-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Valenziano [mailto:tvalenziano@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 3:21 PM
To: Dino Jr. Rossi
Subject: RE: 2004 2.3L MAZDA3, 5DOOR.........Draxas VS. Vibrant


Dino, all I can say is YOU ARE THE MAN. Great info and very detailed, just what we needed. I have 2 more questions that should be simple enough, so here goes.

1-I know you guys posted it on the site, but I want to verify, so can you please reply with the gain numbers for the system(remember, no BS-so please also list the variable factors that can affect dyno numbers: temp, any other tuning, other modifications or add ons, etc.... And if possible the actual dyno sheets would be great!

- We dyno tested our prototype sample at Splitfire Performance in Brampton, Ontario, Canada (home of one of North America's fastest FWD drag Civics)

- The baseline pulls (with the stock exhaust installed) showed that the car made about 132HP and 129 ft. lbs of torque to the wheels.

I know that there are some in the Mazda3 community that think that those baseline numbers are too low because Mazda says that the 2.3L model makes 160HP. I'll take Mazda's word and accept their claim that the 2.3L engine does make 160HP at the crank on an engine dyno but you must keep in mind that you need to deduct approx. 15% off the crank horsepower rating to get the wheel horsepower rating (WHP). Therefore, 15% off of 160HP is 136HP. That is pretty darn close to what we got.

The 4HP variation can be as a result of various factors (tire pressure, air temperature, engine temperature, quality of gas, extra weight added to the car, etc...). This car had a full audio set up in the trunk that likely added a decent amount of weight to the car and drew some power from the battery. It was also riding on much larger than stock wheels and tires (18's rather than the stock 16's). All of these things can be factors that would rob a few horsepower.

- With our cat-back system bolted onto the car that we used for testing (which happens to be owned by Performance Auto and Sound magazine), the dyno registered 142HP at the wheels and 137 ft. lbs of torque for a total gain of 10HP and 8 ft. lbs. of torque.

Please keep in mind that, other than a full audio system, larger wheels and tires and some interior dress up parts, this car was bone stock. I don't recall measuring air temperature variations between the various passes that we did but they were all done within 90 minutes so there could not have been too much difference from start to finish. We had a large fan blowing on the motor for all the passes to make each pass as equal as possible insofar as air temperature is concerned. We made sure to let the car cool down for at least 10 to 15 minutes after each pull so that heat soak would not be an issue

If you want the actual dyno sheets, they can be pulled off our website. I can't access the server that hosts those files right now.



2-I wanted to ask your permission to post the email you sent me at mazdaiii.com. There's a forum going on right now(as I mentioned to you) that is specifically for your product. Many people there are shopping for a cat-back and would really benefit from this info(besides the people that are about to cancel on Draxas as I also mentioned.) Please let me know, thanks!

I have no problem with having this info posted online. Please don't post my phone number....I really can't have my phone ringing off the hook. However, anyone with questions can definitely email me at info@vibrantperformance.com

[Greenbread]

nicely done

[tgv121281]

Thanks Green, but seems like you're the only one that noticed...Try to help everyone out an dwhat do you get (jerkit)! Oh well, at least I got the info for myself, and you got it too. So much for a group buy.....we're missing out big time b/c of lack of dedication.

[briand805]

Thanks Green, but seems like you're the only one that noticed...Try to help everyone out an dwhat do you get (jerkit)! Oh well, at least I got the info for myself, and you got it too. So much for a group buy.....we're missing out big time b/c of lack of dedication.

Maybe not everyone checks these forums every 15 minutes. I never saw any info on or suggestions regarding a group buy.. If i overlooked it please direct me. Thanks for the info.

As I posted above the rep from Vibrant stated that he was told by Mazda that the exhaust for the hatch would fit the sedan... Im not sure how that is going to work seeing how the sedan is 2.1 inches longer than the hatch I believe(correct me if im wrong).. Unless it has an adjustment some place..I am going to wait till the release date nears then contact them again.. I also have a dealer not to far from my home.

[goldwing2000]

How does extra weight in the rear of the car affect dyno results? (scratch)

Anyway, good job tgv. You're making everybody's decision harder. :D

This is also the first I've heard of a group buy.

[tgv121281]

Guys, dont take it to heart, I was just goofing about the dedication thing. I got the info for me, but posted it for anyone who wanted to read it...

As for the group buy thing...I mentioned it like 2 posts ago...I said:

"Lets get some good posts, good opinions, make up our minds and if enough people are serious maybe we can find a vendor and do a group buy....talk to me people...."


SInce no one knew which system (if any) they wanted I havent mentioned it to the vendors, nor did I lead anyone to believe I did, I simply figured since I made contact w/ these companies, if enough people were interested in 1 system I'd try and negotiate it w/ the company...just trying to help the team....

[badAzLava3]

The pictures are pretty.
How much does that bad boy weigh vs. the stock system?

[Greenbread]

wait so it does or does not fit on the sedan?

[Fobby_Monkey]

it should. but the tip might sit a little inside your bumper.

[Greenbread]

it should. but the tip might sit a little inside your bumper.
correct me if im wrong(probubly am) wouldnt that put suit on your car then?

[Fobby_Monkey]

i don't understand what you are asking.

[2004MZ3GT]

I think he means soot (as in the black stuff that gets on your bumper)

[tgv121281]

Couldnt you have a shop work something up to extend the tip so this wouldnt happen?

So anyway, has anyone thought of which system they're gonna go with?
Since I havent seen any significant diff. between the 2 and I already ordred w/ draxas, it looks like i'm sticking with them.

[speedolover]

Anyone think about the mazdaspeed exauhst?

[AzMz3]

Couldnt you have a shop work something up to extend the tip so this wouldnt happen?

So anyway, has anyone thought of which system they're gonna go with?
Since I havent seen any significant diff. between the 2 and I already ordred w/ draxas, it looks like i'm sticking with them.

Well if you really think about it, the exhaust could be the same for both the sedan and the hatch. With the sedan being less than a few inches longer, that could be from the front bumper of the car. It would only make sense to have them be the same. We will need someone to compare them stock for stock to really know for sure.

[goldwing2000]

You've got the sedan, right? Measure yours from the middle of the wheels to the ends of the bumper (front and rear) and I'll do the same. That should tell us where the difference lies, since the wheelbase is the same.

Although, I seem to remember some deal about the trailer hitch, so I think at least part of the difference is in the back.

[AzMz3]

You've got the sedan, right? Measure yours from the middle of the wheels to the ends of the bumper (front and rear) and I'll do the same. That should tell us where the difference lies, since the wheelbase is the same.

Although, I seem to remember some deal about the trailer hitch, so I think at least part of the difference is in the back.

The measurements are not truely accurate. But I eye-balled them to be 37" from the center of the wheel to the bumper for both the front and rear. There should be a 2.1" difference somewhere. Let me know if there is a more accurate way of getting the measurements and I will try that later. But I think they are pretty close.

[goldwing2000]

Other than backing it up to a wall or something, that should be close enough. I'll check mine when I get home.

[goldwing2000]

Looks like they split the difference. I get 36" front and rear.
I don't think 1" is going to make much difference on an exhaust system.

[AzMz3]

Looks like they split the difference. I get 36" front and rear.
I don't think 1" is going to make much difference on an exhaust system.


No 1" isn't that much at all. Could even be less if we were to take into consideration the opening where the exhaust exits. But with what we came up with I'd say the exhaust is the same.

[who's ur daddy?]

Any traction on this? There might be 2 more interested parties for this puppy... (blowup)

[ZippityZoomZoom]

Ugh, I looked at the dyno's but I can't tell where the gains are at. I don't care for a louder car but I want an exhaust system that gives me power where I want it: normal driving range. The Vibrant system looks great.

[chrisyoung10]

My computer cant read the pdf format of the dyno sheet on Vibrant's website if someone could post them on here as a picture i would really appreciate it thanks

[Badger Biker]

Ugh, I looked at the dyno's but I can't tell where the gains are at. I don't care for a louder car but I want an exhaust system that gives me power where I want it: normal driving range. The Vibrant system looks great.

I agree, with the way the dynos are setup it's hard to tell where the gains are and where they aren't :(

Is there anyone who can change the sales of the dyno and put them on the same graph?

[Mazda3hatchback]

Thats a weak hatch. I have an auto and I dynoed at 134.15 max power stock. No intake and no exhaust. These are my dyno charts from K&N themselves. It was cool because I was able to see all the action myself while it was on the dyno in there research department.They had another mazda3 hatch in there two and it was a manual. I had my chrome wheels on when I brought my car up to them. I probably would of had a litle bit higher of a gain if I had my stock rims on. K&N is a really cool company because they dont just give you an intake they give you some of their other products as well. I told my dad that I would get him a new K&N filter for his RV and when I came to pick up my car from K&N they had their filter in my car to surprise me. I could have asked for other stuff but I didnt want to be greedy. That intake alone would have cost me $300 or more.

[AzMz3]

Different dyno's sometimes vary. And you can also adjust some of the settings on the dyno veiwer to make it look like higher gains. If I change mine from STD I can get a 4whp/6wtq gain over my stock numbers. Even changing the smoothing feature can alter the gains. Thats way I always ask for the dynos to be sent email to me so I can open them up in the dynojet veiwer.

[who's ur daddy?]

If anyone is interested in a Vibrant, PM me. Trying to organize a group buy, but have only this week to do it. It's a Canadian vendor, so I don't know if it makes sense for U.S. peeps. I'm playing middle man but not taking any cut.

Nathan

[Airman Jack]

correct me if I'm wrong, but the second dyno chart contains an AFR chart, and starts somewhere around 16... I know the ideal is somewhere around 14... does this not mean that the engine was running LEAN?

[Airman Jack]

anyone......anyone....... Bueller.......Bueller..?