Msp6

[gino]

Want one?

[crossbow]

No. 3630 lbs (fat pig), it plows far worse then the standard 6s (World Class Understeer), and its also slow (0-60 in mid 6.x seconds).

Looks nice though...but its not as if you couldn't get a standard 6i mtx, hook that baby up, and throw on MPS airdam's....and save yourself 14k-16k. And your car would weigh 600 lbs less. Go figure.

[Da 6]

just get a 6s MTX with I/H/E and put speed badges on. V8 RWD would have done it for me (hump)

[RHAGEL]

I think it is pretty damn ugly. The wheels, grill & hood especially. And the fact that it is not as fast as it should be. I say, get a 6s fully loaded for $26k spend $5-6 grand on wheels, exhaust, suspension, intake & so on, and there you go, that would be the cost of a MS6. Just my 2 cents.

[Super Matty P]

you can spend all that money but it wont be as fast as the MS6. I think you guys are forgetting a few things. The new 2.3L duratec motors are very boost friendly unlike the fs-de.

this isn't a sports car to compete with a vetter. It's a luxery sedan to compete with Audi, BMW etc....it does so very well.


p.s. if you want fast you should buy a 6i and get the new hiboost turbo kit coming out with 245whp.

[Da 6]

only thing good they did was making it a real JDM car with options ford won't give us...I say they were better off just using that money spend R&D for just MS parts for the i and s trim. MS turbo with badges if you choose to put them on. People assume you are a ricer cause there wasn't a speed and next thing they know the see taillights and flames shooting out the tips on up and downshifts :)

[Da 6]

this isn't a sports car to compete with a vetter. It's a luxery sedan to compete with Audi, BMW etc....it does so very well. Don't buy into the hype or sugar coat it...6 is a family sedan with nice suspention and looks(V6+FWD=:( )


p.s. if you want fast you should buy a 6i and get the new hiboost turbo kit coming out with 245whp. True...if you figure out how to kill vvt it will be even better! :)

[Super Matty P]

they wont see flames unless there is no emissions equipment on the vehicle....but i get what you're saying.

[Stormtrooper77]

No. 3630 lbs (fat pig), it plows far worse then the standard 6s (World Class Understeer), and its also slow (0-60 in mid 6.x seconds).

Looks nice though...but its not as if you couldn't get a standard 6i mtx, hook that baby up, and throw on MPS airdam's....and save yourself 14k-16k. And your car would weigh 600 lbs less. Go figure.
3630 lbs? Really? That's like 400 lbs more than the current 6! and isn't the current 6 already a mid 6 sec car?

[Necessity]

Yup. .1 second faster than a 6s manual. 50hp and awd don't seem to get you much with all that extra weight. Hopefully the driver stunk something fierce to begin with and we'll have more reviews out soon.

[Super Matty P]

AWD has weight associated with it...but it's ok because the 280hp/280lb/ft ms6 is a little bit stronger than the 220hp/200lb/ft 6S and the 160hp/155lb/ft 6i that it's engine comes from.

[Da 6]

you forgot the 175Hp 2.3...(JDM) and damn I didn't mean to make 2 posts back to back (doh)

AWD would be nice if it was functional...isn't the 3's gona be all the time?

[Super Matty P]

the 3S is FWD only....even the proposed as a turbo fwd

[Da 6]

wheel spin Pwns!

[Super Matty P]

srt4 does fine and it's 260hp. LSD fixes a lot of problems with FWD

[Da 6]

after 03 it does ;)

[crossbow]

Quick roundup of the 3 Mazda 6 sedan's (since its confusing)

Mazdaspeed MPS 6 (274/280)
3,589 lbs (3,630 lbs as tested)

Mazda 6s MTX (220/192)
3,243 lbs

Mazda 6i MTX (160/155)
3,042 lbs

Here's some competition...
Evo MR: 3,263 lbs
STi: 3,260 lbs
Legacy GT: 3,300 lbs
SRT-4: 2,900 lbs
Rx8: 3,029 lbs
G35 Coupe: 3,512
350Z Eth: 3,197
Mustang GT: 3,450 lbs

The specs and reviews of the MPS 6 put it at 0-60 of about 6.4-6.6 seconds. Just about the stock time from the 6s MTX. 1/4 mile estimates put it at mid 14's. (Stock 6s MTX's run high 14's). The MPS 6 rev's low, with all its grunt down at the bottom end of the power band, completely opposite of the other 6 models. Think VW's torque band, and thats about an MPS 6. Lots of pep off the line, quickly trailing off.

Obviously you can see why the Scca Pro World Challenge has annouced they will NOT be using the MPS as their racing platform, and will be sticking with the lightweight 6i mtx. (est 2700 race weight)

[Mazda3]

Quick roundup of the 3 Mazda 6 sedan's (since its confusing)

Mazdaspeed MPS 6 (274/280)
3,630 lbs

Mazda 6s MTX (220/192)
3,243 lbs

Mazda 6i MTX (160/155)
3,042 lbs

Here's some competition...
Evo MR: 3,263 lbs
STi: 3,260 lbs
Legacy GT: 3,300 lbs
SRT-4: 2,900 lbs
Rx8: 3,029 lbs
G35 Coupe: 3,512
350Z Eth: 3,197
Mustang GT: 3,450 lbs

The specs and reviews of the MPS 6 put it at 0-60 of about 6.4-6.6 seconds. Just about the stock time from the 6s MTX. 1/4 mile estimates put it at mid 14's. (Stock 6s MTX's run high 14's). The MPS 6 rev's low, with all its grunt down at the bottom end of the power band, completely opposite of the other 6 models. Think VW's torque band, and thats about an MPS 6. Lots of pep off the line, quickly trailing off.

Obviously you can see why the Scca Pro World Challenge has annouced they will NOT be using the MPS as their racing platform, and will be sticking with the lightweight 6i mtx. (est 2700 race weight)

Why are we using the GT weight from the MS6 and the base model weights from the other cars? (poke)

[Super Matty P]

I think it should be noted that Mazda has said "outloud" that it considers this a sole compitetor of the Subaru Legacy GT....when going head to head with that car it is very even.

[Da 6]

srt 2869 but yeah dodge dealers are asses and turned me away by their no testdrive approach!


*edit* Damn the speed 6 is a heavy weight! immagine if it did have a V6...

[crossbow]

Your right Mazda3, sorry. Changed the MPS weight to 3589 lbs. =/.

[Newf]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, here we go again.

People making all sorts of assumptions on a car not even released yet. Comparing performance from a shitty press release to cars that have been on the road for ages.

Just like the good ole days of when the MSP was announced. Good times :)

I will say one thing. The wheels SUCK. I say a spy shot on car and driver TV, they had rx-8 type wheels on it, and the car was white. Looked 155555 times better.

The normal 6 with the skirts/17"wheels/spoiler looks so much sexier, at least in pics.

[crossbow]

Its been reviewed by 5 mags. Performance already known. 0-60 in about 6.4 seconds +/- 0.2

[Mazda3]

Its been reviewed by 5 mags. Performance already known. 0-60 in about 6.4 seconds +/- 0.2
Those mags are all quoting the Mazda released times. No outside source has been allowed to time the car at this point.

FWIW I talked to my souces at Mazda. They indicated that the 0-60 in 6.4sec is indeed a conservative estimate to avoid any performance estimate contraversy (ala RX-8/Miata). Although they wouldn't give me any numbers they nodded when I said "It will be faster than that....right??"

I expect very low 14sec 1/4's, with high 13's possible if you want to pound the differential.

[crossbow]

I agree with low-mid 14's. Based on the curbweight and power, thats definitely possible. (As per S60R comparison, which is within 40-60 lbs, but extra 26 bhp and 15 ft/lbs).

Aka its faster then the average grocery getter, but not faster then other "sport" persay cars in and around its class. It's a good matchup vs the Legacy 2.5GT, which is more expensive if you get the full packaging.

The interesting scores are going to be the skidpad and salom times. The one major disappointing factor with the car is the choice of wheels and tires. They are really far to thin for a vehicle of that weight. 215/45/18's on a 18x7 is decent for a 3000 lb car...this baby really needs some 235's on an 8 inch wide rim.

[Mazda3]

I'm baffled by the tire choice too. This set-up sounds world class, but the tires are definately the weak link. The rims will go great with a set of Nokkian winter tires I guess.

[Newf]

I've always wondered if the 0-60 times were indeed conservative given the recent mistakes mazda has made in the past with releasing numbers before the final car was done.

Think of it this way. If they say the car does 0-60 in 5.5 sec, and then once it's released people are only getting 6.0 sec.....Mazda looks like a bunch of jackasses again and people shit on them and call the car crap because most people are childish jackasses.

Now, if they say it's a 6.6 sec run, and the car does it in 6.0 or lower, then Mazda is a hero and the car kicks ass.

I'll reserve my opinion of the entire car until it's released. I got my doubts I'll get be getting this car anyways as it might be a tad too pricey for me. I might wait for the mazdaspeed 3 if there is such a creature in 2006. Or, I'll wait until 2006, save more money for it, and get the updated msp6 with better wheels (hopefully) because I HATE the ones on it now.

[Newf]

oh, and good luck getting 18" winter wheels without spending a shitload of money.

[mazdaspeedpower]

wheel spin Pwns!
I'd be more worried about tirehop and/or tranny burnouts...

[mazdaspeedpower]

oh, and good luck getting 18" winter wheels without spending a shitload of money.
Yeah, ask RX-8 owners about that...very expensive indeed.

[Mazda3]

oh, and good luck getting 18" winter wheels without spending a shitload of money.
I have connections :)

[LASERBLUE135]

but this car probably wont be for me. I was looking for an Evo/sti fighter (even if it wasn't up to par with them out of the box) but this is more like an R32 fighter...aka slower than SRT, Wrx, evo etc. yet not horrible to look at, should sound good, and turn and accelerate ok.

Major problems...256 hp was the latest figure I've heard (and coming from Mazda you know that's probably pushing it a little). if wrx make 180 hp to the wheels this should make around 210 if that.

2nd it's 0-60 in 6.5ish is insulting compared to the 6S which would probably battle it pretty well through the quarter mile. Imagine a stock protege es competeing with a MSP...not even close.

biggest problem: the 6S sport package is a great looking car, and although the msp6 looks more agressive, I can't say it looks better.

I hope the car sells well so mazda continues to throw mazdaspeeds out there, but I'm worried about who is going to buy this thing...bring on the MSP3!

[Da 6]

yeah one of our mazda club meetings was bombarded by RX-8 club. shit they out did our croud. one guy said he paid $235 per corner!

[LASERBLUE135]

274hp and 280ft-lbs. Mazdas rating is 6.6 seconds to 62mph (the car was not tested in the US) and even though they didn't do a track test of the car those numbers sound correct. and they did mention UNDERSTEAR. the car has the RX8's traction controld system and like the rx8 it can be turned off. I really like this on the rear drive 8 as I've got extensive seat time in the 8, but it will most likely have little effect on the awd 6.

Mazda said its main competitor is the Legacy GT, 250 hp version of the STI's 2.5liter, so it's no Evo as expected. oh well, can't wait for MSP3.

[Da 6]

V6 6 comes standard with tcs..rumors of it being an option on 4 cyl...."Understeer" is all I needed to know

[LASERBLUE135]

DYNAMIC STABILITY MANAGEMENT...that's the system that i LOVE on the rx8, and is a must have if you buy one (it's an option)

clarification: DSM is an option on the RX8! and I'm almost possitive it has never been available on the 6. Traction control is DIFFERENT, it just slows down the front wheels when they spin. On the RX8 you can drive like a crazed lunatic on fire and with DSM turned on you will not crash and look like a hero coming out of corners (its awesome to see and fun to do!!!) DSM keeps the car from spinning out of control using braking on different wheels and slowing down different drive wheels, its a good thing on RWD cars.(although it is fun to turn it off when driving slower/burnouts/drifting etc.)

[Da 6]

what do you mean...it is stock...on the JDM 6/Atenza models!
(monkey)
don't mind me having a bad month...

[obender66]

No. 3630 lbs (fat pig), it plows far worse then the standard 6s (World Class Understeer), and its also slow (0-60 in mid 6.x seconds).

Looks nice though...but its not as if you couldn't get a standard 6i mtx, hook that baby up, and throw on MPS airdam's....and save yourself 14k-16k. And your car would weigh 600 lbs less. Go figure.

Since when stock V6 mazda 6 runs high 14 1/4 mile? With slicks?With few grand in mods?
Last time I checked it was 16.3 with auto, manual might be 0.5 sec less.
From data in this post
MSP6 13.24 lb/hp
M6 V6 14.74 lb/hp
Or 1.5 lb/hp more
Audi S4 11.47 lb/hp
or 1.77 lb/hp less than MPS6
Let's look at torque, lb/ft per lb of weight
MSP6 12.96
S4 12.82(almost the same!!)
M6 16.89(mush less!)
Without quoting any acceleration numbers, which are unknown, S4 has same(or less) advantage over MSP6 as MSP6 over 6. I smell bullshit-either V6 is not as fast as it was said, or MSP6 is underrated.

Now about understeer-how the hell do you know about that? Did you drive it?Same auto journalists said that it has "ford-sourced 2.3 liter". Even RWD car will understeer with moron behind the wheel.
It seems that 6 owners are pissed that they are stuck with V6, this is why MSP 6 is "ugly","slow" and "fat pig", although nobody drove or even saw one in person. Or is it just envy that you cannot fork out $30K USD for a car-like I will do in June when my Velocity Red arrives?

[dolphin]

We have a MAZDA 6s v6 automatic. We love it! No, it is not faster than a speeding bullet but it is quick enough for the family car. We prefer to look at it for what it can do. It carries four people, quickly from point A to B, gets >30 MPG if you hold it to 75-80 MPH and has enough truck space to go on a trip with four people. It is entertaining to drive on a two lane road. It looks nice and there are not a million of them every where you look.
A faster MazdaSpeed version of the 6 is fine with me. I think that if Mazda were going to go after the STi and EVO they would have started with the Mazda 3.

Of course these are just my two cents.

[Da 6]

in autoxing the 6i is beating evo sti and m3! rims coilovers and intake!

as for a V6 with a few grand in mods...wouldn't that still come out cheaper (msrp and insurance) than the base model speed 6?

[LASERBLUE135]

in autoxing the 6i is beating evo sti and m3! rims coilovers and intake!

as for a V6 with a few grand in mods...wouldn't that still come out cheaper (msrp and insurance) than the base model speed 6?

OK lets not get carried away... the modded 6i would get it's ass handed to it by all 3 of the above cars with the same person driving it all things even. It's a rediculous statement and you lost all credibility (it may have happened ONE time and will never happen again), moving on.

In a sedan comparison the 6S manual vs the altima
6S 7.8 to 60 and 16.1 1/4 mile vs
altima 7.3 and 15.6

so regaurdless of how it was driven those number should be close to what you would get...so 6.6 (mazda's claimed 0-60 is very respectable) is good, I don't think we are bashing the car as much as nit picking... I would really have liked to see a beautifully agressive exterior similar to the MSP protege and miata WHO'S LOOKS WERE NOT BASHED LIKE THE MSP 6!!! so that goes to show that the MSP 6 was not what MOST people where hoping for. Also the 6 is not as fast as a WRX or an EVO which people maybe should have expected, but come-on, us Mazdaphiles had dreams of sub 5 second 60mph dashes and world beater performance.

Mazda produced a great car, it just didn't produce the car we dreamed about.

[Da 6]

that wasn't 1 time...that was multiple events...he even entered a bmw autocross. Turboed cars don't perfom well when turbo doesn't have a chance to spool if you don't beleve me I won't lose sleep.

We'll see how it goes when they officlay come out. Once someone decides after breakin to try it out then we can confirm or deny that is a turboed luxury 4cyl sedan that in some form or another awd will comeint play other than dead weight. Anyone find out what the stock rubber was on those 18's

[Mikey444]

One more note, the altima may be fast in a straight line, but it has a fucking huge turning radius and even in 4 cyl. is a bloody monster with understeer, it is horrible. And you cant slap an altima into a curve as fast as a Mazda 6. One more note, if you like autocrossing, the Altima will not hold up to the wear and tear. I know all this for a fact. The Mazda 6 despite having less ponies which actually makes more sense because most of us have some mercy for our drivers license can go much faster on curves and is much more capable of handling rough driving.

[Da 6]

altima was faster than my car...I will not sugar coat that but yes he's right...that bastard had a 1 second delay in reaction when turning at high speeds. 6 would clear a lane and a half before the altima will respond to a jerk in steering! After that I really didn't drive that much cause here in D.C. you will use evasive steering to avoid the jackass cutting you off at half the speed limit.

[Mikey444]

The Altima has one of the worst steering one can dream of, the car rolls soo much on a turn and you cant do as swift manoeuvers as a 6 with a Altima. What is power if you cant slap it into a sharp bend? Straight line power means nothing to me, I just like to have something 0-60 in less than 7.5 seconds and I will still have a smile on my face.

[timba24]

wow man I leave for a week and we have all kinds of new experts this is great :)

[Da 6]

I wanna see what the car runs w/o 18's!

[Mikey444]

I bet it would split at least half a second off if it has 16's, less rolling weight. I can swear I feel my car doing better straight line acceleration with the 15'' winter steelies.

[Da 6]

also you have colder air and gas in winter untill they switch to the antifreezing winter gas.

[crossbow]

obender,

6s MTX's have run 14.8 stock. Heck I think that was even on stock tires. There is a big difference in performance between a 6s atx and mtx (sorry guys). The atx's weigh considerably more then the curb weight tells you, and push out about 15-20 whp less then the mtx's.

Modified 6s mtx's (less then 1k in mods) have hit mid to low 14's. Might want to check the dyno and slip sections.

Here's a 6s mtx with a single 500 USD mod.
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~greghess/cpe6shp.jpg

[obender66]

That's OK, I don't really care whether it is 14.8 or 12.8.
But I did notice your unjustified bias against car you haven't seen or driven, which persists on multiple Mazda6 boards and you not even trying to be original. (no)
You need to realize that this car is not about 0-60 or lateral g or 1/4 mile. It's about same thing as A4(or S4) and 330 AWD. (A4 V6 is one the best cars I've driven, I also drove E-spec Evo 7, so I know what I am talking about)
You are obviously not in the target buyer group for MSP 6, so they didn't(thanks God!) make another flimsy shitbox with boomy exhaust and teeth rattling ride.

[crossbow]

Biased? Yes, I'm biased because I don't get in line with the sheep to get my daily serving of conformity.

Feel free to use the forums ignore feature, so that you don't see anymore of my biased posts.

[Da 6]

thought we were having borderline friendly discussions not fuck you i'm right sessions...

All we(as a whole) are saying is from the reviews we already have the car still plows! That doesn't need dyno time nor comon sense to prove awd wasn't it's best trait. Then the added features to make the mazda 6(which mazda already claims a luxury) a real luxury car goes against the point of making this car fast. Everyone keeps complaining about how evo/STi/SRT-4 and MSP have bland interior. You can only do soo much before you start weighing the car down. lighter is better! less you carry translates into a better HP:weight ratio. I appologige if we come off as Bitter 6 owners but after all the hype and long wait just to hear it wasn't much faster than a V6...you would be bitter too.