Debating trading for SRT-4

[I'm Allen]

As the title states, I'm debating trading mine in for an SRT-4. Went to the dealership today to see one up close. Honestly I think it is a pretty nice looking vehicle. Don't know what I'm going to do though.

Allen-

[1sty]

if thats the car you want and its within your means then get it

[BlkZoomZoom]

Yeah do it.

[BlkZoomZoom]

Be a sheep. lol

[mazpro]

Like they said, if it's the car that you want and can afford it get it. it's a good car for the price, lots of power.

[Mr. 4500 RPM]

i dont mean to knock on the srt-4 but its a neon with a turbo....enough said...
you could say the same about the msp but idk i just think dodge is trying to get back into a market they really werent doing that good in. i dont like neons too much i dont know much about them but then again i dont like us cars that much so im biased i guess. ive read good things but idk not really hooked on them

[Speed Vision]

Dude, are you serious. LOL, nah, just messing with you Allen. If I were you. I would do it. I like my Speed, but I think I would have been much more happier with the SRT-4. Either way you go, good luck and Hopefully I can buy a few parts off your car, if you decide to part it out. :D

[vindication]

if you do sell, wanna trade my stock guage bezel for yours? Seeing as you might need to switch out and make things stock to get the most bang for the buck.

[wicked]

dude,I owned a 2002 neon,pushing 200 something WHP N/A,and I have a good friend of mine with a SRT-4 W/ a stage 2.and I got to say I wouldn't trade my MSP for the both of them. the MSP is a black sheep,unique,and well deserving of modifacation.

if you trade,you will (most likey) regreat it,the SRT cant handle for shit,and it drives like it has all it's wieght in the front.
you cant lower it very far or but very wide wheels on it due to the rear traling arms WILL rub.
the interior is cheap as all hell,the seats defenatly all they were craked up to be.(you can feel the tubular frameing in them in your back).


and this is coming from someone who loves neons,and knows the potentiol in them,but if it's power you want hten you will get a lot more respect for modding a MSP then you would from a SRT.they are like the new honda,everything is bolt on,and made so a monkey could tune.you would get no respect from me.



put it this way,I could have gotten a 2004 for 14000 brand new out the door,but I turned it down,so I could own something worth owning.

[daedalus]

dude,I owned a 2002 neon,pushing 200 something WHP N/A,and I have a good friend of mine with a SRT-4 W/ a stage 2.and I got to say I wouldn't trade my MSP for the both of them. the MSP is a black sheep,unique,and well deserving of modifacation.

if you trade,you will (most likey) regreat it,the SRT cant handle for shit,and it drives like it has all it's wieght in the front.
you cant lower it very far or but very wide wheels on it due to the rear traling arms WILL rub.
the interior is cheap as all hell,the seats defenatly all they were craked up to be.(you can feel the tubular frameing in them in your back).


and this is coming from someone who loves neons,and knows the potentiol in them,but if it's power you want hten you will get a lot more respect for modding a MSP then you would from a SRT.they are like the new honda,everything is bolt on,and made so a monkey could tune.you would get no respect from me.



put it this way,I could have gotten a 2004 for 14000 brand new out the door,but I turned it down,so I could own something worth owning.

That was *tear* so beautiful. I feel so damn patriotic right now. Deep shit man... AND I COMPLETLY AGREE!!!

[I'm Allen]

It was just a thought. I guess I kinda needed to "vent" a little. Get this idea out of my head. I am leaning toward keeping the MSP. I just read a thread on the reviews from ex-MSP owners now SRT owners, and it's just not for me. I love to autocross.

[BoOsTiN]

Did your new iON parts not give you the extra kick you were wanting?

[122 Vega]

Well, I can speak from experience, I owned both. And at the same time. So my veiws of one or the other are not biased by over-romanticized nostalgia or grass-is-greener type of thoughts. Both cars are decent, however I chose to sell one to get my new Dakota Quad Cab, guess which one I sold? That's right, the SRT. The car simply was not as fun as paople inflate it to be. I thought the handling was horrible, and it still was sub-par after my Hotchkis swaybars. The struts were far from even near enought for the weight of the car. The stereo sucked compared to 90% of the cars I have owned, even the Dakota sounds way better. I can only imagine that you are into straight line performance becuse the SRT is not a comfortable autocrosser or even twitsy road performer. I have sutocrossed for 8 years, and have done open track days and some solo racing, so I have a fair understanding of a car's capabilities. Now, with thousands of dollars into the suspension of the SRT, it would do alright. But I think the MSP is a far more capable car. It is also more comfortable and predicatble. As far as power goes, there are plenty of new parts coming out for the MSP that could put it on par with the SRT. IF that is what you are looking for. If you want a unique ride with a great balance of power, handling, comfort, brakes and did I mention handling? The MSP wins hands down.


Britt

[jred321]

i was in the same position as you a few months ago. on paper and in the parking lot even the srt seems better. i test drove it though and was unimpressed, so i'm still driving the msp through winter, then i'll shop around again

[lasermp5]

This past weekend went to a little get together ppl in Orlando have every saturday night. There are a lot of ricers and shit there, but there are also a lot of nice cars. There were about 12 SRTs there all parked together with ppl just hanging around. I only saw one 3.5 titanium MSP. There were 6 or 7 ppl just around the MSP. It's a cool car, and you won't see 50 of them around town... unless you live in Orlando :D Be unique. Keep the MSP.

[I'm Allen]

Debate is over...keeping the MSP! (thumb)

[VegasMSP]

Hey I'm Allen,
I just went through the switch. I traded my yellow 03.5 MSP (stripped off all my aftermarket parts) for an SRT-4 last week. The main reason I did it was because I was having some weird electical problems with it. When I lauched it my whole car would almost die and the dealer wasn't going to touch it w/ all the aftermarket parts on the car. I miss the handling and the stereo of the MSP. I do have to admit, after putting all that stuff on my MSP to get it fast the SRT-4 stock is still faster then what my MSP was fixed up. When I get on second and third gear on the SRT-4 I can't wipe the grin off of my face(evil) it just keeps pulling. I'm planning to hit the suspension first on this car, Mopar stage one springs and swaybars. Then its going to be Mopar stage 2 performance w/ the toys for the performance department. :)
It's all up you to on what your looking for. Like I said I do missing the stereo and handling ( but I can change that). But I can't change the looks inside (fells like a rent a car), but the seats are comfortable!! (I almost fall asleep in them) They wrap around you like race seats.

[FSDET]

wow vegasmsp hasnt posted in a long time

[FSDET]

dude,I owned a 2002 neon,pushing 200 something WHP N/A,and I have a good friend of mine with a SRT-4 W/ a stage 2.and I got to say I wouldn't trade my MSP for the both of them. the MSP is a black sheep,unique,and well deserving of modifacation.

if you trade,you will (most likey) regreat it,the SRT cant handle for shit,and it drives like it has all it's wieght in the front.
you cant lower it very far or but very wide wheels on it due to the rear traling arms WILL rub.
the interior is cheap as all hell,the seats defenatly all they were craked up to be.(you can feel the tubular frameing in them in your back).


and this is coming from someone who loves neons,and knows the potentiol in them,but if it's power you want hten you will get a lot more respect for modding a MSP then you would from a SRT.they are like the new honda,everything is bolt on,and made so a monkey could tune.you would get no respect from me.



put it this way,I could have gotten a 2004 for 14000 brand new out the door,but I turned it down,so I could own something worth owning.how did u manage to get over 200whp with the N/A neon ? nos ?

[VegasMSP]

wow vegasmsp hasnt posted in a long time
Hey mazdaspdprotege! Yeah I've been hiding out for a while.(glare) I still came and read the forums here and there. I just needed a little break from here, just seeing the same subjects being posted over and over and over and over got old after a while. I got rid of my mazdaspeed last week for a SRT-4 and have a couple of parts left to sell. But I'll be around post here and there again.:)

[girth]

Wow Allen I can't believe you're even considering it after just dropping all of that coin on those iON parts! Good luck if you do though - the SRT is a nice vehicle.

[mp5jeff]

nos ?
nitrous, not "nos", n.o.s is a company...

[Speed Vision]

Congrats on the decision. But "IF" it were "ME", I would easily go with the Dodge. The main reason for me would be, that it's a car that I can trust. Yeah it's not as agile as the MSP in the twisties stock, but get yourself a set of Mopar coilovers or Progress coilovers and your set. The car handles 100% better.

I have a buddy with an SRT-4, stage II and he beat's the living hell outta his car on a daily basis. 35k miles of hard driving, and it still drives like a champ, from start up all the way to redline. On the same note, I have driven my Speed, like a beast for the last 20k miles, and it's doing just fine. But man, do I worry about what will happen when that warranty goes out. ( I guess I should have thought about this before I got rid of that GSR)..

just my $.02 I'll support you in whatever you decide, I'm a Sports Compact car lover, and as long as it's a performance car oriented ride, I'll like it..

[mspdfreak]

Congrats on the decision. But "IF" it were "ME", I would easily go with the Dodge. The main reason for me would be, that it's a car that I can trust. Yeah it's not as agile as the MSP in the twisties stock, but get yourself a set of Mopar coilovers or Progress coilovers and your set. The car handles 100% better.

I have a buddy with an SRT-4, stage II and he beat's the living hell outta his car on a daily basis. 35k miles of hard driving, and it still drives like a champ, from start up all the way to redline. On the same note, I have driven my Speed, like a beast for the last 20k miles, and it's doing just fine. But man, do I worry about what will happen when that warranty goes out. ( I guess I should have thought about this before I got rid of that GSR)..

just my $.02 I'll support you in whatever you decide, I'm a Sports Compact car lover, and as long as it's a performance car oriented ride, I'll like it..Hell, don't worry about the warranty running out. Just trade it in on something else before then.

[CChris704]

well from personal experience, we have our ricer meetings down back home where we all meet up at wendy's or something occastionally and we just rip on the srt-4 guy...just personal experience. where i live, i would never be able to live it down that my car is faster....to anyone that knows cars its still a neon (no offense to anyone that has the srt-5 on these boards, just giving personal exp.)

[mp5jeff]

....to anyone that knows cars its still a neon .)
well if you are being serious, obviously you don't know much about it...the only thing that is really the same is the body, sus., engine, tranny, turbo, seats, all of that shit is completely different, so if you can make a REAL arguement on how it is "still" a neon i would love to hear it, but unfortunately i doubt anyone on here will bring a valid arguement.

[mspdfreak]

well if you are being serious, obviously you don't know much about it...the only thing that is really the same is the body, sus., engine, tranny, turbo, seats, all of that shit is completely different, so if you can make a REAL arguement on how it is "still" a neon i would love to hear it, but unfortunately i doubt anyone on here will bring a valid arguement.Okay, I'll give it a shot...
"It's still a Neon" because it still LOOKS like a neon, with that smiley face front end, poor craftsmanship, and plastic, cheap interior (except the seats). Let's not forget the crappy stereo.
I've always thought of them as something pretty girls get for graduation. The SRT-4 is something dykes get for getting their GED.

[122 Vega]

Also, the Title, Registration and VIN denote that it is in fact a Neon.

BRitt

[Demonic-Speed]

I test drove the SRT, not really impressed. The seats where nice, but the shifting was not, plus it look kinda funny..

[gboromsp]

Its not as hard as you think. When I had mine, I had lots of headwork done, running 12:1 compression, and a bunch of other goodies!! I never had it dynoed but I would be willing to bet that I was about 180 or 190 whp with no nitrous. I was running 14.3's at 99 consistently.




how did u manage to get over 200whp with the N/A neon ? nos ?

[gboromsp]

Just like a MSP is still a Protege. Its as simple as this, one car gives you handling the other gives you straight line performance. With money you can do both to either cars. Neither car is anything great, in the scheme of things they are both cheap cars. I don't hate on either car, I appreciate both for what they can do.




Okay, I'll give it a shot...
"It's still a Neon" because it still LOOKS like a neon, with that smiley face front end, poor craftsmanship, and plastic, cheap interior (except the seats). Let's not forget the crappy stereo.
I've always thought of them as something pretty girls get for graduation. The SRT-4 is something dykes get for getting their GED.

[Antoine]

I like to read people’s personal experiences and comparisons...quality thread (thumb)

I think the srt is important as a symbol of basics...cheap...powerful and for some a lot of fun...anything that shows car manufacturers are paying attention to the needs of enthusiasts more instead of soccer moms and rap stars is a plus in my book :)

The MSP is a more refined example of this trend and the right choice for those with more refined taste...

[CChris704]

well if you are being serious, obviously you don't know much about it...the only thing that is really the same is the body, sus., engine, tranny, turbo, seats, all of that shit is completely different, so if you can make a REAL arguement on how it is "still" a neon i would love to hear it, but unfortunately i doubt anyone on here will bring a valid arguement.

well it appears some people did make a valid argument but as i said "this is just from personal experience and no offense to owners of them" and i have friends driving cars w/ more hp then our cars could imagine having (don't get me wrong, i'd still rather have my msp then there pos) so they know their shit and there is no way they would give an srt-4 the time of day because its based off of and still looks like a neon. so don't flame me for giving my opinion to someone who asked for it.

anyways... peace dude (hippy)

[mp5jeff]

Also, the Title, Registration and VIN denote that it is in fact a Neon.

BRitt
wait, this means you can have a faster car and cheaper insurance at the same time too!?!? ohs nos!

[mp5jeff]

i haven't seen a true valid arguement on why it is still a "neon" just because it LOOKS like one? ok then a msp = protege then right?

[Cellerator]

Don't get an SRT-4! Saw 1 drive past me doing 80 and then getting hydrolocked in pretty shallow water. IMO, keep the MSP, handles better and doesn't look goofy.

[FSDET]

nitrous, not "nos", n.o.s is a company...thanks for the info. ive seen nos stickers on ricey civics so i thought it ment nitrous. so nx is another company ?

[wicked]

how did u manage to get over 200whp with the N/A neon ? nos ?
no nitrous,I never use that stuff.

I biult the shit out of that little SOHC 2.0

I wish I didn't total it,because the head was worth about as much as the car.

howell block
J E pistons
eagle forged rods
care springs and retainers
custom crane cam
ignition sytem
fuel shit
block dog motorsports head
w/larger valves
milled
port polish
swirl chambers
kirk header
indy manifold



and a whole bunch of shit,and time.


I enjoyed butting people in their place with that car,it suprises people to get taken by a neon.

but it could not corner for shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wicked]

i haven't seen a true valid arguement on why it is still a "neon" just because it LOOKS like one? ok then a msp = protege then right?
heres a good reason for calling it a neon,it is,but with a pt cruiser motor.and different wheels,it's just the neon R/T,only with a turbo.

if you recall neons use to have DOHC motors,so I would call that pretty close to a neon.


just like our car is still a protege,only done the way it should have been from the begining.

[122 Vega]

wait, this means you can have a faster car and cheaper insurance at the same time too!?!? ohs nos!
The VIN also denotes the engine type, so no, no cheaper insurance.

Britt

[jred321]

i haven't seen a true valid arguement on why it is still a "neon" just because it LOOKS like one? ok then a msp = protege then right?does the p in msp not stand for protege? msp=protege with other shit on it, just like the srt=neon with other shit on it

[Gbourdon]

The evo is just a lancer.
The srt-4 is just a neon.
The MSP is just a protege.
The STi is just an impreza.

(blah)

[FSDET]

no nitrous,I never use that stuff.

I biult the shit out of that little SOHC 2.0

I wish I didn't total it,because the head was worth about as much as the car.

howell block
J E pistons
eagle forged rods
care springs and retainers
custom crane cam
ignition sytem
fuel shit
block dog motorsports head
w/larger valves
milled
port polish
swirl chambers
kirk header
indy manifold



and a whole bunch of shit,and time.


I enjoyed butting people in their place with that car,it suprises people to get taken by a neon.

but it could not corner for shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!il l be kicking my car if a N/A sohc 2.0 neon beats me.

[gboromsp]

Don't underestimate them. Granted most are riced out, but there are some bad n/a neons out there. I know when I had mine it would have walked a lot of msp's on this board, including my own(in the state its in now).




ill be kicking my car if a N/A sohc 2.0 neon beats me.

[1sty]

i haven't seen a true valid arguement on why it is still a "neon" just because it LOOKS like one? ok then a msp = protege then right?
Yes, both are the basis of the other. Much like my STi is an imprezza. However, the Neon has a different Engine, tranmission and suspension then the regular neon if I'm not mistaken, that would make it a Neon shell only. Same for the STi and the EVO for that matter. In other words, its far less of a neon then the MSP is of a protege. Afterall, the MSP is a small turbo, tuned up suspension, and a crappy kenwood stereo slapped onto a protege.

[Gbourdon]

^^^^ so true. The MSP is much more "base model" than the Evo, STi, or SRT-4 if you look at it like that.

[VegasMSP]

Hi all! Yes! I made the switch from the MSP to SRT-4 (was having issues w/ the MSP electrical system). And yes I get ragged on by my friends as being on a neon (chasis :p ) But when they actually look at the car and ride in they change there opinions. The interior (excluding seats, gauge cluster, and boost gauge), headlights, and chasis ar from the neon production line. But the rest of the car has totally different parts from the regular neon. I'm not going to list what has been added but let you read. Here's the link to a very good article on the origin of the SRT-4 and the changes they made from the prototype to the '03 release date to the current '05.

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98857

[II-Savy]

Hi all! Yes! I made the switch from the MSP to SRT-4 (was having issues w/ the MSP electrical system). And yes I get ragged on by my friends as being on a neon (chasis :p ) But when they actually look at the car and ride in they change there opinions. The interior (excluding seats, gauge cluster, and boost gauge), headlights, and chasis ar from the neon production line. But the rest of the car has totally different parts from the regular neon. I'm not going to list what has been added but let you read. Here's the link to a very good article on the origin of the SRT-4 and the changes they made from the prototype to the '03 release date to the current '05.

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98857
Not a bad read.....too bad they killed the best color, to replace it with a shit stain.

[mspdfreak]

i haven't seen a true valid arguement on why it is still a "neon" just because it LOOKS like one? ok then a msp = protege then right?I think you're missing the point, here. Yes, they're both base models w/added shit. The protege looks like something you get at Hertz for the weekend. The neon looks like something your 16yr. old girlfriend got from daddy on graduation day. Thus, when I look at my MSP, I see a rental with a body kit, cool paint job, and a nice set of wheels and tires. When I see an SRT-4, I see a young girl's car with a body kit, plain paint job and a nice set of wheels and tires. So, until they do something to get rid of that smiley face front end, poor body panel alignment, and cheap interior, I'll stick to something a little more masculine. Of course, one man's trash is another man's treasure, I guess. Live and let live.

[murph1379]

A bit after putting the winter wheels on my msp this year, I found myself at a Dodge lot helping a friend. I decided it'd be fun to test the SRT-4, check it out. Man, that thing goes like a bat outta hell, but man is the handling ever shit! My msp with 16" blizzaks handles significantly better. I always heard they were pretty close, until I test drove it.

But man, it does go. (in a straight line)

I really liked the side bolsters on the seats, but the rest of the interior left a lot to be desired. I liked the fact that they have a boost guage, but everything else feels even cheaper than the msp! The shifter feels like plastic, reminds me of the mazdaspeed miata or the WRX. yuck.

But man, it does go. (in a straight line)

I've followed economy cars for years, and since the start the Neon has been a complete piece of junk. The 323/protege was never a honda civic, but certainly within "buyable" range, whereas it seems like the neons are nothing but endless problems. Don't listen to me, look at consumer reports! If you were going to buy a 14,000 car, would you buy a neon or a protege?

IMO, to get the perfect car, it's going to be easier to buy an MSP and work on the engine to make it as fast as the neon, than it would be to get the neon and work on the suspension enough to make it handle like an MSP. (and you don't have to replace the rest of the interior and buy body kits and such)

And seriously, crank rear windows? (at least they finally have the LSD!)

If you want to go in a straight line, maybe the neon is the better choice, but for fit & finish, reliability, handling, sound system, and unique factor, IMO the MSP wins hands down.

But why are you listening to us anyway? Go test drive one and find out!

[II-Savy]

A bit after putting the winter wheels on my msp this year, I found myself at a Dodge lot helping a friend. I decided it'd be fun to test the SRT-4, check it out. Man, that thing goes like a bat outta hell, but man is the handling ever shit! My msp with 16" blizzaks handles significantly better. I always heard they were pretty close, until I test drove it.

But man, it does go. (in a straight line)

I really liked the side bolsters on the seats, but the rest of the interior left a lot to be desired. I liked the fact that they have a boost guage, but everything else feels even cheaper than the msp! The shifter feels like plastic, reminds me of the mazdaspeed miata or the WRX. yuck.

But man, it does go. (in a straight line)

I've followed economy cars for years, and since the start the Neon has been a complete piece of junk. The 323/protege was never a honda civic, but certainly within "buyable" range, whereas it seems like the neons are nothing but endless problems. Don't listen to me, look at consumer reports! If you were going to buy a 14,000 car, would you buy a neon or a protege?

IMO, to get the perfect car, it's going to be easier to buy an MSP and work on the engine to make it as fast as the neon, than it would be to get the neon and work on the suspension enough to make it handle like an MSP. (and you don't have to replace the rest of the interior and buy body kits and such)

And seriously, crank rear windows? (at least they finally have the LSD!)

If you want to go in a straight line, maybe the neon is the better choice, but for fit & finish, reliability, handling, sound system, and unique factor, IMO the MSP wins hands down.

But why are you listening to us anyway? Go test drive one and find out!

Very very well put. IMO also the interior is a total joke. Also no one has mentioned resale. I think the Neons fall like rocks.

[MetalSpeed]

Nicely put. I went to go see one because I was going to trade my wifes Honda in for another car; went by to check them out they looked alright liked the dash and boost gauge and that was about it; I wanted to test drive one just to see what all the hype was all about but didn't feel like talking the annoying sales person, that kept on nagging.

[Gbourdon]

Interesting way to look at it.
protege>neon so MSP>SRT-4.
impreza>protege so STi>MSP.
protege>lancer but EVO>MSP

[chaosProtege]

I test drove one a couple months ago and was totally unimpressed. It rides like crap and shifts like molassas. The clutch is so stiff i felt like i was kicking it instead of pushing it. Also, like most have said, the interior is cheap. The seats are really uncomfotable and the boost gauge is not in a good place. My elbow kept hitting the seat when i shifted. The acceleration is pretty wicked tho. Final answer.....keep the msp.

[1sty]

Craig > this stupid thread

[mp5jeff]

Yes, both are the basis of the other. Much like my STi is an imprezza. However, the Neon has a different Engine, tranmission and suspension then the regular neon if I'm not mistaken.
this is exactly my point, there is more differences in the srt-4 compared to a regular neon then that of a msp compared to a protege, i guess trying to argue this with a msp owner is like trying to make a retard, not a retard...

[mp5jeff]

and guys, stop with the interior comments, you drive fucking proteges, you act like you are in a 60k dollar luxury vehicle..

[daedalus]

and guys, stop with the interior comments, you drive fucking proteges, you act like you are in a 60k dollar luxury vehicle..


LOL! He has a point!

But I still think the seats in the protege are sexy!

[gboromsp]

I agree, both cars are cheap POS.




and guys, stop with the interior comments, you drive fucking proteges, you act like you are in a 60k dollar luxury vehicle..

[mspdfreak]

and guys, stop with the interior comments, you drive fucking proteges, you act like you are in a 60k dollar luxury vehicle..Oh, c'mon... I went to a car show earlier this year, and in less than 2hrs., someone had already broken off the turn-signal stalk on one of those neons. Also, I've seen alot more complaints on the srt boards about interior noises than I've ever seen here. (Oh, but I forgot...it's faster than the MSP)

[mp5jeff]

Oh, c'mon... I went to a car show earlier this year, and in less than 2hrs., someone had already broken off the turn-signal stalk on one of those neons. )
blown subs, shitty head unit, hey this can go both ways, my point is im sick of this srt vs msp shit, it's beating the deadest fuckin horse ever, i wish i was a mod so when one of these threads start i can close it right away, but alas im not and most likely never will be lol..

[prospeed]

here is my experience from owning both.
msp problems.
in one week antifreeze leak.
first cold day squeaks from hell
3,000 miles warped rotors
10,000 miles motor making pinging noises on cold start up.
and almost forgot about the clunk

srt problems
one small oil leak at 700 miles
7,000 miles and no other issues

[II-Savy]

yea and oil leaks always get smaller.

[mspdfreak]

yea and oil leaks always get smaller.(rlaugh)

[prospeed]

yea and oil leaks always get smaller.
oil leak was fixed.

[shaolin]

oil leaking from what? head gasket? turbo?

[Spicy1390]

Dont do it. I am not to sure if you have driven it yet, but they handle like shit.

[mp5jeff]

do they really handle like shit???? i guess skidpads are all lies!

[mspdfreak]

No, but compared to the MSP, they DO handle like shit. Too much body roll (which means any). And the skidpad isn't the true barometer of handling...the slalom is.

[mp5jeff]

lol there you go again with the msp vs srt shit, coulda sworn people were saying it handles like shit in general but guess im wrong? im not replyin here anymore i guess, it's beatin the horse too much

[mspdfreak]

lol...No, I thought that was what he meant when he said they handle like shit. I mean, c'mon, in general, the SRT-4 handles great.

[JDM Sam]

The evo is just a lancer.
The srt-4 is just a neon.
The MSP is just a protege.
The STi is just an impreza.

(blah)
Exactly get a car with balls. A Supra if you want import, Z06 if you want domestic.

[prospeed]

oil leaking from what? head gasket? turbo?

the oil pan gasket was leaking.

[I'm Allen]

Kept the MSP!

[mspdfreak]

Good choice!

[torque222]

Well, I can speak from experience, I owned both. And at the same time. So my veiws of one or the other are not biased by over-romanticized nostalgia or grass-is-greener type of thoughts. Both cars are decent, however I chose to sell one to get my new Dakota Quad Cab, guess which one I sold? That's right, the SRT. The car simply was not as fun as paople inflate it to be. I thought the handling was horrible, and it still was sub-par after my Hotchkis swaybars. The struts were far from even near enought for the weight of the car. The stereo sucked compared to 90% of the cars I have owned, even the Dakota sounds way better. I can only imagine that you are into straight line performance becuse the SRT is not a comfortable autocrosser or even twitsy road performer. I have sutocrossed for 8 years, and have done open track days and some solo racing, so I have a fair understanding of a car's capabilities. Now, with thousands of dollars into the suspension of the SRT, it would do alright. But I think the MSP is a far more capable car. It is also more comfortable and predicatble. As far as power goes, there are plenty of new parts coming out for the MSP that could put it on par with the SRT. IF that is what you are looking for. If you want a unique ride with a great balance of power, handling, comfort, brakes and did I mention handling? The MSP wins hands down.


Britt (werd)....... i second that....well put

[ND4MSP]

imho, if you need to debate over trading a car in for something in more or less the same price/class range, than its probably not worth it. Some will beg to differ. If you really just want all out speed go for it. Especially if you not too upside down on your loan, cut your losses short and do it now. I love my speed, but I must admit... I think of other vehicles lol. But I am going to keep it and pay it off, and have a kick ass daily driver when its time to purchase a new Cobra or Skyline a couple of years down the road.

and for the love of god lets kill the should I threads. Most of you know what the srt/wrxti/gtr32/specxxx/evo's of the world are all about. And our opinions never change. If they make you warm and fuzzy then go for it... just be sure to post pics (blah) sorry for the miny rant