Turbo kit for 2.3 dynoed for first time

[HiBoost TS]

Just to keep you updated, our new kit for the Mazda3 and Mazda6 is looking very promising.

The first dyno ever made without the proper tuning is very good.

235 WHP at 7 PSI of boost. That was done late last night. The car is still at the dyno for better tuning tomorrow and more runs. We expect better numbers at more boost.

This was done on a automatic, so the numbers on a standard tranny should be a little higher.

I will post pics and a video tomorrow.

Juan

[jbass]

Just to keep you updated, our new kit for the Mazda3 and Mazda6 is looking very promising.

The first dyno ever made without the proper tuning is very good.

235 WHP at 7 PSI of boost. That was done late last night. The car is still at the dyno for better tuning tomorrow and more runs. We expect better numbers at more boost.

This was done on a automatic, so the numbers on a standard tranny should be a little higher.

I will post pics and a video tomorrow.

Juan

do you know how much HP could support the tranny and clutch?? There are not many information about that so maybe you can tell us if the tranny seems all right... sick setup by the way(cool)

[Mikey444]

Just to keep you updated, our new kit for the Mazda3 and Mazda6 is looking very promising.

The first dyno ever made without the proper tuning is very good.

235 WHP at 7 PSI of boost. That was done late last night. The car is still at the dyno for better tuning tomorrow and more runs. We expect better numbers at more boost.

This was done on a automatic, so the numbers on a standard tranny should be a little higher.

I will post pics and a video tomorrow.

Juan
Shit that's sick

[eting_pro5]

Glorious.

[low_psi]

very nice!

[mazdaspeedpower]

AWESOME..dunno why I care, I own a MSP, but it's still exciting

[mazdaman_49]

Just to keep you updated, our new kit for the Mazda3 and Mazda6 is looking very promising.

The first dyno ever made without the proper tuning is very good.

235 WHP at 7 PSI of boost. That was done late last night. The car is still at the dyno for better tuning tomorrow and more runs. We expect better numbers at more boost.

This was done on a automatic, so the numbers on a standard tranny should be a little higher.

I will post pics and a video tomorrow.

Juan

thats great news :)

is that hoursepower number off a sae corrected dyno?
what management are you useing right now?

i can't wait.

[Mikey444]

235 to the wheels, on a auto tranny on top of that, that is something to brag about

[HiBoost TS]

Right now I am using a Haltech F10X as fuel management, but we will try the E6X also to retard the timing a little bit more for safer higher boost levels.


The numbers are on a Dynojet and at SAE corrected.

Juan

[Glowspeedp5]

With auto tranny are you running a tranny cooler. I do not remeber if it comes with one if it does it is small. That would be your down fall on an auto tranny.....

[curacer1]

Just to keep you updated, our new kit for the Mazda3 and Mazda6 is looking very promising.

The first dyno ever made without the proper tuning is very good.

235 WHP at 7 PSI of boost. That was done late last night. The car is still at the dyno for better tuning tomorrow and more runs. We expect better numbers at more boost.

This was done on a automatic, so the numbers on a standard tranny should be a little higher.

I will post pics and a video tomorrow.

Juan






does someone have a rag, i need to clean off..... (hump)
let me know when it goes for sale, i will be the first in my area to have one

[Super Matty P]

yeah, thats awesome. I'm thinking more about picking up his turbo kit for the 3S than making my own now.

Maybe now I'll start boosting my friends RX8.

[HiBoost TS]

We finished the Haltech tuning this morning.

The 2.3 is making 240 WHP and 250 Lbs of torque at 7.5 lbs of boost. The car pulls real good.

I will post the dyno results tonight.

[TX Speed Demon]

Jesus man, great work.

I don't understand why you guys didn't get more votes in the vendor thread. You got mine and Matty's though. We know you make some nice all-around kits.

Keep up the great work.

[1FASTMP5]

sweet juan..... good work!(wiggle)

[Gbourdon]

Mazda 3s are gonna be walking the fsdes soon enough (poke)

Edit: I guess I mean turbo 3 vs turbo fsde.

[xtrememps]

Lol, I was thinking the same thing. Damn 2.3 liter engine...

[hellcat]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the 2.3 have plastic intake runners, and if so, how is that going to effect the motor long term with the turbo installed?

[eting_pro5]

a certain other vendor who is working on a turbo kit for the 2.3 also has a lot of experience with the turboing older Mustangs that had plastic intake runners.

he said in some models they cracked, others they were fine. so i guess it's just a matter of time and testing before we know how it'll hold up

[Super Matty P]

Seeing as how I've been turbo-ing 2.3L fords (mustangs) for a while I don't know what he's talking about.

The 2.3L mustang engines all had aluminum manifolds. It's only the newer 2.3-2.5L rangers that use a plastic manifold and we've not seen ANY problems with them other than their lack of "polish-a-bility"

[seatbackfurther]

Seeing as how I've been turbo-ing 2.3L fords (mustangs) for a while I don't know what he's talking about.

The 2.3L mustang engines all had aluminum manifolds. It's only the newer 2.3-2.5L rangers that use a plastic manifold and we've not seen ANY problems with them other than their lack of "polish-a-bility"
He never said it was a 2.3L Mustang at all. I believe it's the 4.6L that uses the plastic runners

[Super Matty P]

he said older mustangs and the 4.6L mustangs use aluminum manifolds. It's only the 4.2L truck motors and the triton engines that have plstic manifolds.

Older mustangs use older materials.

I assumed he meant the 2.3L motor since it's Ford's most popular aftermarket motor to turbo. It's also real easy.

[seatbackfurther]

he said older mustangs and the 4.6L mustangs use aluminum manifolds. It's only the 4.2L truck motors and the triton engines that have plstic manifolds.

Older mustangs use older materials.

I assumed he meant the 2.3L motor since it's Ford's most popular aftermarket motor to turbo. It's also real easy.
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/tech/0202mmff_bullitt/

Read the 2nd caption on the left ..................................

[Super Matty P]

Thats on the ultra rare Bullit mustangs....finding one of those is like finding a needle in a haystack.

The point is that Juan knows what he's doing and he's going to do whatever it takes to make the kit reliable.

[AzMz3]

What octane was ran during the dyno's. And why only tuning the fuel and not timing? Sounds like trouble to me.

[Super Matty P]

Juan includes the Haltech F10X in his current kits. The F10X is a fuel only controller and it is MORE than capable of keeping up with 7.5psi of boost. The F10X is about $600+ cheaper than an E6X which will control timing and as far as I know that is the only difference.

fwiw, no'one I know about has ever had any problems with a hiboost kit other than wiring issues. That says a lot for it's ability.

[AzMz3]

Juan includes the Haltech F10X in his current kits. The F10X is a fuel only controller and it is MORE than capable of keeping up with 7.5psi of boost. The F10X is about $600+ cheaper than an E6X which will control timing and as far as I know that is the only difference.

fwiw, no'one I know about has ever had any problems with a hiboost kit other than wiring issues. That says a lot for it's ability.


Very true and well said....BUT this is a totally different animal here.
Alot of Ford and a Can-Bus ECU in the Mazda3. I have seen many engines (Ford Focus) let go because there was nothing to controll timing. As many of the Turbo makers will tell you..."Timing has to be addressed"
Except for the Gude kit...which is way there were some many blow engines.

[Super Matty P]

actualy...the only thing that needs to be "controlled" is detonation. This can be done several ways. Making sure that you have the appropriate amount of fuel at all times for your current situation is the best. Controlling combustin temps is also done through adding fuel (or retarding timing). When you retard the timing you're taking power away from your engine. When you add a little extra fuel to soak up the heat you're not.

Changing spark plugs to a colder plug will also help control CC temps and (help) prevent pre-ignition. Using different plug metals like silver or copper is another way you can prevent detonation.

Water Injection is another way you can lower temps....

all of these can be done and work VERY well and don't require you to touch the timing. People who tell you that you have to retard timing to add boost have made a crummy kit.

[azian6er]

any nitrous?

-B

[tgv121281]

We're getting off the topic. Need more info on the kit. When will it be on the market? any idea on price range, Has anyone heard anything about a supercharger for the 3?

[TheJohnny]

bump, I want to see this thing..... damn.

[HiBoost TS]

We're getting off the topic. Need more info on the kit. When will it be on the market? any idea on price range, Has anyone heard anything about a supercharger for the 3?
The kit should be available by February 2005. The price is going to be between the $3,800 to 4,200 range depending on the final components used.

Right now we are doing tests to see which engine management system the car requires and also what turbo to go with.

[curacer1]

hey, i am stoked for the turbo, can you set up any pics for us too see it, i cna't wait to get my three on the movie, what was the stock whp of the 3 (hump)

[eting_pro5]

I wasn't referencing you or any specific motor.

I was misinformed and misleading when i said older. It was the 4.6L in the late 90s and 2000ish.
[/threadjack]

I'm very interested on what kind of engine management you'll use, as so many people seem paranoid that it's so difficult to do.


Seeing as how I've been turbo-ing 2.3L fords (mustangs) for a while I don't know what he's talking about.

The 2.3L mustang engines all had aluminum manifolds. It's only the newer 2.3-2.5L rangers that use a plastic manifold and we've not seen ANY problems with them other than their lack of "polish-a-bility"

[SVTJayC]

96+ Ford 4.6 V8's had plastic intake Manifolds. 96-98 were very prone to cracking at the crossover, and would spew coolant. Ford fixed it free of charge.

[Super Matty P]

my 99GT sure didn't have a plastic manifold. I know because it was removed and polsihed by Heartbreaker Racing. The 99-04 4.6Ls dont have plastic manifolds. Not one that I've seen has ever had one. Since I didn't own a 96-98 GT I cant say for a 100% fact about those but my 94GT had an aluminum intake as well...so..94-95GT..aluminum....99-04 aluminum....96-98 plastic??

[mazdaman_49]

We finished the Haltech tuning this morning.

The 2.3 is making 240 WHP and 250 Lbs of torque at 7.5 lbs of boost. The car pulls real good.

I will post the dyno results tonight.
i can't find the dyno results ?
also, I'd like to see where you placed the FMIC and piping because there is virtually no room :) can we see some shots of the engine bay? maybe some videos too see how it runs :)

[Da 6]

plastic runners can withstand the psi...most electronic weld intake runners withstan 1 bar. 2 things not covered was is VVT and vtcs still being used. those 2 things are what were removed from speed 2.3

[redrims]

This thread is worthless without pics...now get some up ASAP!!

[Antoine]

I suspect everyones going to be showing more "love" for the 2.3 and the Mazda3...If this engine turns out to be a real boost gem...watch the aftermarket get a boost as well ;)

This could be the begining of something big...ABOUT TIME!

I'll be checking this thread often for updates!

[Focus]

Dyno sheets will be nice, seing that the Mazda 3 dyno section is empty.

Just to keep you updated, our new kit for the Mazda3 and Mazda6 is looking very promising.

The first dyno ever made without the proper tuning is very good.

235 WHP at 7 PSI of boost. That was done late last night. The car is still at the dyno for better tuning tomorrow and more runs. We expect better numbers at more boost.

This was done on a automatic, so the numbers on a standard tranny should be a little higher.

I will post pics and a video tomorrow.

Juan

[seatbackfurther]

Juan,

What do you think of the stock rods and pistons? Are you going to be offering piston/rod combos? If so, which manufacturers are you going with?

What turbo were you using to make the 240? Disco? or an IHI?

[TX2000]

dumb question.. with this kit the 120 governor cap will be there?

[HiBoost TS]

Juan,

What do you think of the stock rods and pistons? Are you going to be offering piston/rod combos? If so, which manufacturers are you going with?

What turbo were you using to make the 240? Disco? or an IHI?
The first tests are beimg done with the IHI VF22 which I think i s better than the disco at least in the proteges.

We are making some contacts directly with a couple of factories to make the parts exclusively for us with the HiBoost name on them and to make as cheap as posible but without sacrifying quality.

I will keep an update on this matter.

[Focus]

The first tests are beimg done with the IHI VF22 which I think i s better than the disco at least in the proteges.

We are making some contacts directly with a couple of factories to make the parts exclusively for us with the HiBoost name on them and to make as cheap as posible but without sacrifying quality.

I will keep an update on this matter.
Do you have those dyno sheets handy ?

[HiBoost TS]

Here are the comparison of before and after turbo and the WHP and torque curves.

The test was done in an automatic in third gear at 7.5 psi of boost.

[Focus]

Nice!

[HiBoost TS]

Here is a better picture. Sorry I don't have my scanner working.

[MidnightSpeeder]

Wow, impressive.. Any word on how long the transmission is going to last under those boost conditions?

[Super Matty P]

f'in A... much props to Juan, yet again.

[HiBoost TS]

Wow, impressive.. Any word on how long the transmission is going to last under those boost conditions?
Well, the automatic kits will be shipped and limited by the Haltech to a max of 5 psi.

In this case the customer is doing a tranny swap to a 5 speed in January to enjoy the car even more. We will let you know about the tranny becuse we will run it as hard as posible and find out when it goes boom (the tranny).

[FrigginGLI]

120whp gain :) Manual tranny I'd assume will be slightly higher, I smell project 300whp mazda 3 :)

[MidnightSpeeder]

Well, the automatic kits will be shipped and limited by the Haltech to a max of 5 psi.

In this case the customer is doing a tranny swap to a 5 speed in January to enjoy the car even more. We will let you know about the tranny becuse we will run it as hard as posible and find out when it goes boom (the tranny).


Great! I'm excited to see how it holds up!
Good job guys! Keep up the good work! (cool) (cool)

[prboy3]

no video on the dyno???

[SVTJayC]

my 99GT sure didn't have a plastic manifold. I know because it was removed and polsihed by Heartbreaker Racing. The 99-04 4.6Ls dont have plastic manifolds. Not one that I've seen has ever had one. Since I didn't own a 96-98 GT I cant say for a 100% fact about those but my 94GT had an aluminum intake as well...so..94-95GT..aluminum....99-04 aluminum....96-98 plastic??


All 4.6 SOHC 96+ have composite intake manifolds. I'll say it again and let it sink in. All 4.6 SOHC 96+ have composite (thats a big people's word for plastic), intake manifolds. You can buy one here: http://www.mustangtuning.com/intakemanifold.html
Notice the dates in the caption.

The crossover piece (the part that broke on the 96-98 models) is metal, the rest is plastic.

The Plenum (the part with the horsie on it) (http://www.jdsperformance.com/index.asp?fcmd=item&initemuid=571) is also metal, but the plenum, is not the intake manifold.

Here is a pic of a 99 motor. The intake manifold is the black piece:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7940129209&category=33615#ebayphotohosting

The 4.6 DOHC motors (Cobra only) have metal intake manifold's however. Do you have a Cobra maybe? You can tell by the snake.

Your 94GT had a metal intake because it wasnt a 4.6 SOHC, it was a 5.0 OHV. You do know they are completely different motors right? I would think a mustang owner would be privy to this kind of information:

94-95GT = 5.0
96-04 = 4.6 SOHC 2V
05+ = 4.6 SOHC 3V

So, the real question is: 96-98 plastic, 99-04 plastic, 05+ plastic, your one 99 GT metal??

[nate0123]

I see a lot of mazda3 people excited by this thread... will the same turbo kit fit both a mazda6 2.3 and a mazda3 2.3?

I'm interested to see what happens with this (2thumbs)

[curacer1]

hey y'all, how is the kit coming along, any projection on a release date?

[IllBinfrontofya]

better yet, how about that video of the dyno!!!!!!!!!!! That would be F***ING NICE!!! Come on, wet our mouthes a little.!!!

[Mike R]

Nice! I know those motors can be built to take ALOT. There are a few 250+ HP N/A 2.3L DOHC Mazda/ford motors running around. The 2.3 DOHC was discussed on turboford quite a bit when I used to hang out there, that motor has alot of potential... Matty knows.

[Super Matty P]

Matty knows a good bit but it's all discounted cause I'm mean!

Good ups to Juan though. Looks like he's got another winner on his hands with this kit.

[LinuxRacr]

Damn, Juan does it again... Cranking out the aftermarket snails for our Mazdas!

[Mike R]

Matty knows a good bit but it's all discounted cause I'm mean!

Good ups to Juan though. Looks like he's got another winner on his hands with this kit.

LOL...

[C-hatch]

oh man oh man oh man~~~~~~~~~~~~
can't wait till the kit comes out.. drewling ~~~~~~~ AWWW
240 whp? DAMN~~ cant imagine how that feels like on da 3
wish there is a video aval.. alrite~ saving money from now~ YAW

[Screamin'3]

He's getting ~240 WHP, there was someone on the list that dynoed there stock 2.3L AT and was getting ~130-131whp. That means HiBoost is makeing around 300hp at the flywheel,
Does that sond about right?

[Super Matty P]

sure, why not? I know it seems unusual for a turbo kit at 7psi to make that much more power but you need to go by WHP, not BHP. Whp is the power you actually make at the wheels. If he's putting down 240+whp thats the only number you should be concerned with.

All of these arguments over dyno accuracy and whatnot are never ending.... Juan is pretty accurate with his products and if he claims 240whp+ I have no reason to doubt him. I do know that the Duratec motors take to boost very well.

[Glowspeedp5]

Nice! I know those motors can be built to take ALOT. There are a few 250+ HP N/A 2.3L DOHC Mazda/ford motors running around. The 2.3 DOHC was discussed on turboford quite a bit when I used to hang out there, that motor has alot of potential... Matty knows.

If you are talking about the 1988 2.3 liter turbo ford motor totally different motor. The 2.3 liter that was in the pinto, Mustang SVO, Thunderbird Turbo Coupe and ford ranger is not the same as the mazda3 and mazda 6 and ford focus 2.3 liter.

[Super Matty P]

he's not, he's talking about the new Duratec 2.3L'....the dohc motors that are in the 3 and 6. They are VERY boostable.

[Screamin'3]

Super Matty P - I was not doubting dyno accuracy. Depending on atmospherics the rating on any dyno could vary by 10whp plus/minus.

I was trying to compare a boosted 2.3L 3 with the published numbers from the factory of other cars; ie. Evo VIII-275hp, WRX-240hp, STi-300hp, etc. Anybody know what an EVO is putting down to the ground? I would imagine that with the AWD, the losses are a bit more than ours.
BTW, I'm not saying that with a turbo kit the 3 is an EVO/STi killer. Just trying to figure the neighborhood.

[Super Matty P]

Evo8's dyno about 230-ish whp and the Sti is about 4hp higher from dyno's ive seen.

[Screamin'3]

so... if the 3 can stay hooked up (the advantage of AWD) then a HiBoost 3 should be able to keep up with a stock EVO/STi?
So we might acctually have a contender? (yupnope)

[Super Matty P]

it would actually outrun them from a roll without fwd.

[Screamin'3]

And cheaper too.
Around here EVOs and STi's are rolling for $30-35K.
Most of the 3's $17-22K.
With $10-15K of just go-fast parts (when available). Ouch.

...better yet....ZOOM-ZOOOM!!!

[curacer1]

the idea of outrunning an evo or sti with my mazda has just caused a chain reaction in my bodyand i now need to go clean off......... (hump)

[Mazda3Member]

Is there any other mod's to the car or just a turbo?

what's the max boost?

[Super Matty P]

dude....brand new car...give it some time...do a search or two...This turbo kit isn't finalized yet.....

[Da 6]

evos drive like a fwd car till you kick the rear end out. asked a Q lil bit back and don't think it was answered. Is VVT, VTCS, and or VILM disabled with this kit?

[AzMz3]

dude....brand new car...give it some time...do a search or two...This turbo kit isn't finalized yet.....


It isn't even on a Mazda3 yet...so it will be some time.

[Super Matty P]

uh, it had to be on the car so it could be dyno'd.....it's just not 100% finalized yet.

[nate0123]

no I believe he means it's on a Mazda6 2.3 right now

[Super Matty P]

oh, I doubt it...shouldn't be much different though.

[nate0123]

look at the fine print on the dyno sheets

[AzMz3]

oh, I doubt it...shouldn't be much different though.


It is on an automatic mazda 6 2.3L and it does make a difference, theses engines are not set up exactly the same. Besides they still have yet to address timing. Research is key...that and reading the post! (hump)

[Da 6]

Thats why I was askinfg about VVT caise it's disabled in the speed versions of the 2.3 and yes thats the 6i 2.3 we been waiting for. Begining of the year they posted a jdm atenza(6) version that wasn't compatable for us us spec. The difrence is tuning cause atx is not equal to mtx(except the new 6 speed atx). Also the way the FMIC mounting and how piping is gonna be ran thru engine bay seing the 2.3 engine bay is designed to hold the 3.0

[AzMz3]

Thats why I was askinfg about VVT caise it's disabled in the speed versions of the 2.3 and yes thats the 6i 2.3 we been waiting for. Begining of the year they posted a jdm atenza(6) version that wasn't compatable for us us spec. The difrence is tuning cause atx is not equal to mtx(except the new 6 speed atx). Also the way the FMIC mounting and how piping is gonna be ran thru engine bay seing the 2.3 engine bay is designed to hold the 3.0


I would assume that they have no control of the VVT since they are only tuning fuel and nothing else. The tuning wont be all that different...if it was done right, but yes I can almost asure you the kit for the Mazda6 will not be a direct bolt on to the Mazda3. There are differences!

[HiBoost TS]

There will be a kit for the 3 and another for the 6. And then one kit for the 2.0 Mazda3 and another for the 2.3


Juan

[hyck]

have u guys started working on the 2.0 kit yet ?

[untouchablemz3]

There will be a kit for the 3 and another for the 6. And then one kit for the 2.0 Mazda3 and another for the 2.3


Juan


Juan you have any pics yet?

[Da 6]

Az I said same parts difrent mounting.....But in a big ass paragraph form

[HiBoost TS]

The kits on the 2.0 and 2.3 will be almost identical. The only difference will be the ECU Mapping.

There are no pictures yet as we are finishing the manifold and the downpipe for the final intercooler piping. Once we start putting all parts together, I will post pictures.

Juan

[Mazda3ofKent]

The kits on the 2.0 and 2.3 will be almost identical. The only difference will be the ECU Mapping.

There are no pictures yet as we are finishing the manifold and the downpipe for the final intercooler piping. Once we start putting all parts together, I will post pictures.

Juan
Did you have to relocate the battery ?

[miklar]

Anybody heard of marcy motorsports. They are working on a turbo kit for the mazda 3 2.3 . Go to marcymotorsports.com they have an intake manifold and a T3 based turbo kit coming early 05'.

[Da 6]

Did you have to relocate the battery ?From the pictures of the mazda 6 kit they just replaced the battery with a lawnmower size one...

[Airman Jack]

dragging this out of the depths of thread hell.... Juan!! Buddy!! Our Saviour of Boost! What's goin on?! Inquiring minds wanna know :)

[neit_jnf]

These 2.3L are very strong. If I'm not mistaken, the MS6 uses 9.5:1 compression ratio and boosts 15.6 psi on stock internals except using direct injection thus preventing detonation.

[AODfan]

hmmm interesting(subscribing)

[Da 6]

yep block can take 1000Hp but pistons is always the weakest link...

[Focus]

yep block can take 1000Hp but pistons is always the weakest link...

If you fabricate a girdle for it.

[HiBoost TS]

dragging this out of the depths of thread hell.... Juan!! Buddy!! Our Saviour of Boost! What's goin on?! Inquiring minds wanna know :)

The kit is almost done, however we had a couple of issues with the casting mouldings and had to be re done. It will be ready really soon.

[Airman Jack]

Thanks Juan! :D

[P5LawnMan]

Nice

[M3 5MT]

oh man my portfolio better show some improvement so i can afford this ish.

[curacer1]

Any word yet!?!?!?!?!?

[HiBoost TS]

Any word yet!?!?!?!?!?

We are still working on it and it is coming out real good!

As we make some more progress, I will post it here. We are about 3 weeks away.

[KING13]

*bump*
Any word juan?

[6iX SPEED]

I want to turbo my 6 ;)

[tgv121281]

6i, is that ur titan. 6??? LOOKS SICK!!!!!! Anymore pics of it, since we're waiting for updates I figured I'd go off topic a lil...

[6iX SPEED]

Yup, it's my steel gray 6. I see you're in Miami, I'll pm you.

[tgv121281]

FINALLY someone else iN MIA....bout time!

[curacer1]

tgv, i have mad respect for ya man but you shouldn't bitch, i live in ohio. i went to an ohio show last month an the guy who won the show with a scorpian wing and coffee can style muffler. even had the stock wheels. i feel sooo alone here... (ripped)

[nate0123]

well the pay attention to the ohio forum, we're getting together at MSPRO/amy's saturday at 5pm

[curacer1]

there is an ohio forum?
..... cool

[nate0123]

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=69

[baronharkonnen]

Is this turbo kit going to be street legal?

[AzMz3]

Is this turbo kit going to be street legal?

No. Not possible here.

[Captain KRM P5]

good work on the turbo kit juan, PM me when you get a chance.

Ken

[baronharkonnen]

No. Not possible here.

Why do you say that? A lot of add-on turbos/superchargers are street legal. BWM used to have an authorized supercharger by Dinan that added over 100 HP to the M3. It cost 10 grand, but it was street legal and passed emissions. The Callaway twin turbo Covette was street legal at over 400HP.

Are you saying you know for a fact that it won't be? Or is this just a guess?

(poke)

[Da 6]

Why do you say that? A lot of add-on turbos/superchargers are street legal. BWM used to have an authorized supercharger by Dinan that added over 100 HP to the M3. It cost 10 grand, but it was street legal and passed emissions. The Callaway twin turbo Covette was street legal at over 400HP.

Are you saying you know for a fact that it won't be? Or is this just a guess?

(poke)Whatz ur location man? :)

[mobomelter]

its generally not a matter of being street legal its a matter of passing the damn california emissions test. alot of kits are not 50 state legal.

[Solo2Protege]

all depends on if the front cat is retained or removed by the turbo kit....it would really suck if it won't pass CA smog, cause i already have a turbo savings piggy bank ...

[AzMz3]

Why do you say that? A lot of add-on turbos/superchargers are street legal. BWM used to have an authorized supercharger by Dinan that added over 100 HP to the M3. It cost 10 grand, but it was street legal and passed emissions. The Callaway twin turbo Covette was street legal at over 400HP.

Are you saying you know for a fact that it won't be? Or is this just a guess?

(poke)

I really hope you people don't think this kit will be smog legal especially in cali.
The kit removes the first cat which is on the exhaust mainfold, therefore being illegal. Even if you place other cats down stream it is still illegal.
A SC is different, you don't have a snail hanging off the exhaust manifold. Therefore you can keep all of the original smog items.
Will it pass smog testing, it could. I think it will. But will it pass a visual inspection....NO

This is a Mazda3 not a BMW or Corvette.

[Da 6]

Depends on the setup...seing the belts are placed in a tight area(least on the Mz6i it is) it's gona have to be mounted difrently. Maybe if it could be hidden under a stock looking heatshield you never know :)

[AzMz3]

Depends on the setup...seing the belts are placed in a tight area(least on the Mz6i it is) it's gona have to be mounted difrently. Maybe if it could be hidden under a stock looking heatshield you never know :)


What are you talking about?
A turbo kit on the Mazda3 might pass if it was mounted after the second cat, which is not what they are doing. And is something probally noone will do.
You might as well get the kit, when it comes time to smog test it. Pull it off and put it back to stock. It will not be smog legal especially in Cali.

[Da 6]

I was refering to the SC you were using as example...

[mazda3zoom]

haha, thats ONE good thing about bein in Michigan, we dont have any kind of smog or emmisions tests. (shady)

[baronharkonnen]

I'm in Georgia. Here all we have to do is pass an emissions test. As long as the computer checks and the "Sniffer" at the tail pipe passes, it should be fine.

Also, I don't understand what you mean by a cat on the exahaust manfold. When did they start putting cat converters on exahaust manifolds? I've never had a car with more than 1 cat coverter. Is this something new?

Anyway, I still am not convinced just because its a turbo kit it will make the car not smog legal. How do you know the kit doesn't have a new manifold attachment for sensors or whatever behind the turbo itself?

[AzMz3]

I'm in Georgia. Here all we have to do is pass an emissions test. As long as the computer checks and the "Sniffer" at the tail pipe passes, it should be fine.

Also, I don't understand what you mean by a cat on the exahaust manfold. When did they start putting cat converters on exahaust manifolds? I've never had a car with more than 1 cat coverter. Is this something new?

Anyway, I still am not convinced just because its a turbo kit it will make the car not smog legal. How do you know the kit doesn't have a new manifold attachment for sensors or whatever behind the turbo itself?


Look under your car it has 2 cats. One is intergrated into the header. Hi Boost themslves have stated they are fabbing a "NEW" header therefore replacing the first cat. And that will definately make it illegal in all states to remove a perfectly working cat and were ever there are visual inspections.

If you don't have the visual inspections and there are no codes stored in the ECU and you have a tune that will allow you to pass the sniff then you are good. But it will still not be CARB legal.

[baronharkonnen]

Didn't know there were 2 of them. In that case, it may make it fail emissions. Why didn't you say that in the first place? It would have saved me a lot of typing. ;)

[baronharkonnen]

Look under your car it has 2 cats. One is intergrated into the header. Hi Boost themslves have stated they are fabbing a "NEW" header therefore replacing the first cat. And that will definately make it illegal in all states to remove a perfectly working cat and were ever there are visual inspections.

If you don't have the visual inspections and there are no codes stored in the ECU and you have a tune that will allow you to pass the sniff then you are good. But it will still not be CARB legal.

Actually that really sucks. I hope someone comes out with a street legal turbo. I choose the Mazda 3 over a turbo GTI at the last minute. The turbo GTI was faster, but I thought for sure I could get a turbo kit for the Mazda 3. Guess I'll have to wait and hope... :'(

[Da 6]

Gotta be some kide of street smog legal setup cause we have a cali 6 member with a Booster 6i! You had to have seen it on cardomain! His setup is custom!

http://www.cardomain.com/id/blaeznazn24

[AzMz3]

Gotta be some kide of street smog legal setup cause we have a cali 6 member with a Booster 6i! You had to have seen it on cardomain! His setup is custom!

http://www.cardomain.com/id/blaeznazn24


Just because he has a turbo kit in Cali doesn't mean it is smog legal! Like I stated if it replaces any of the cats then it is illegal and will fail.

[Da 6]

He had the kit for a good minute! I'll see if he had it inspected since the install....

[tgv121281]

mazda3zoom, I'm with you....FL has none as well....IN fact they used to a few years back, but they did away with it about 4yrs ago! Woooohooo

cu-you have your own forum....can I bitch now??? lol, j/k

[Da 6]

Since I'm still under ohio I can boost my car...but i'm already on engine 2.

Oh update is:
he said he hasn't went up for it yet...but he doesn't feel he's gonna pass :(

[flipped cracker]

any new word about the kit or updated numbers?